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...So I've been learning more about abortion rights since Roe v Wade was overturned.

...I like to fancy myself extremely socially liberal (and equally economically conservative), but this table gave me chills.

https://www.businessinsider.com/latest-point-in-pregnancy-you-can-get-abortion-in-50-states-2019-5?amp

^6 states including DC apparently have no limit on abortions (i.e. a woman could get an abortion at 8.5 months).

...As someone that would have described themselves as unapologetically pro choice this makes me (really) sick to my stomach. Can someone confirm to Mr I'm misunderstanding this article and that all 50 states + DC have limits on the date at which point a woman can have an abortion (sometime before ~28 weeks).

J

Reading further: https://lozierinstitute.org/six-states-and-their-radical-approaches-to-abortion-law/

^From what I can tell Vermont is the only 'get an abortion absolutely whenever you want regardless of gestational period' state.

J

Broken_Promise posted...

As someone that would have described themselves as unapologetically pro choice this makes me (really) sick to my stomach.

You are not fooling anyone

Broken_Promise posted...

...So I've been learning more about abortion rights since Roe v Wade was overturned.

...I like to fancy myself extremely socially liberal (and equally economically conservative), but this table gave me chills.

https://www.businessinsider.com/latest-point-in-pregnancy-you-can-get-abortion-in-50-states-2019-5?amp

^6 states including DC apparently have no limit on abortions (i.e. a woman could get an abortion at 8.5 months).

...As someone that would have described themselves as unapologetically pro choice this makes me (really) sick to my stomach. Can someone confirm to Mr I'm misunderstanding this article and that all 50 states + DC have limits on the date at which point a woman can have an abortion (sometime before ~28 weeks).

J

I'm going to pretend this post is in good faith.
The only reason a person gets an abortion that late is for medical concerns. No human being carries a baby that close to term and then decides "nah".

You did all that research but didn't bother to look up how many abortions are occurring that late or the reasons why? Lol OK disengenuous shit poster.

Nobody is getting an abortion at 8.5 months. I hate how everyone uses the most extreme examples to try to push their agenda.

Is it really too much to ask to just be realistic?

it makes me sick how many states have banned abortion outright

There shouldn't be limits. Limits only make the most urgent terminations impossible to successfully obtain because of the cruel, unscientific liabilities.

It shouldnt be a legal question for any reason.

Broken_Promise posted...

^6 states including DC apparently have no limit on abortions (i.e. a woman could get an abortion at 8.5 months).

...As someone that would have described themselves as unapologetically pro choice this makes me (really) sick to my stomach.

So here's the deal.

Abortions aren't happening at 8.5 months, and the reason they aren't is because doctors wouldn't perform them, because they're very dangerous to perform that late.

The fact of the matter isn't that "the law permits abortions whenever". The fact that of the matter is that these states believe that "the law does not have a say when abortions can be performed". That's the distinction.

The distinction is that they consider abortion a medical procedure between the pregnant person and their doctor, and that the government has no place there.

That's a good thing.

All of the responses in this topic are legitimately alarming.

An abortion should not be legal at 8.5 months. I'm not a concern troll. I'm a Libertarian/east coast Republican.

If I give you all the benefit of the doubt you're just jaded and too used to partisan bickering to realize this is alarming. If I don't give you the benefit of the doubt you actually think abortions at 8 months are okay.

Neither are good. And I am a bit scared for our country to find that I correctly interpreted the law here.

J

Im not a concern troll I swear I just ignored the part where people addressed my points so I could double down and attempt to make everyone else look like psychos who revel in terminating pregnancies.

Literally no one gets an abortion that late into their pregnancy.
It straight up doesn't happen.

So go ahead clutch your pearls and try to pretend like this is a thing that happens, but it doesn't.

This is like some 2012 era trolling. Dunno why some of you respond in good faith.

hey TC

shut the fuck up

This is a terrible topic, and if you had the ability to, you'd be ashamed of it.

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It isn't. If I wanted to troll you would have no idea I was trolling tbqh.

I actually started looking this up because I saw an episode of Politically Incorrect recently where someone pointed out that the abortion limit in Germany (a country trumpeted as an example of progressivism) is actually 12 weeks -- less than Mississippi's 15 week ban being hailed as Draconian. It made me want to better understand abortion laws in the country and around the world period. In the process I learned that the definition of 'life' and 'viability' is incredibly broad around the world.

...I am still pro choice. But I will also say I am less clear on exactly what I think that means than I used to. I would have previously said that means abortions should be legal up to 24 weeks unless the mother's life is in danger (in which case it is case by case). But now that I understand that isn't the legal standard around the globe and wasn't the standard in the U.S pre Roe v Wade, I think that a lot more discussion is probably needed as we codify a woman's right to choose into law. Women should be able to choose. But viable fetuses also should not be aborted. And the law needs to say that the same way the law says murder is illegal.

J

DespondentDeity posted...

Im not a concern troll I swear I just ignored the part where people addressed my points so I could double down and attempt to make everyone else look like psychos who revel in terminating pregnancies.

Look, I get that this is a left leaning message board. Cool.

But I'm not crazy for saying that if abortions are not happening at 8.5 months that there is nothing wrong with the law explicitly outlawing them as illegal unless the mother's life is at risk. I am too old (35) and educated for you to convince me I am wrong with thinly veiled posts that I am crazy.

They're not happening.

You can stop posting now.

Broken_Promise posted...

I am too old (35) and educated for you to convince me I am wrong with thinly veiled posts that I am crazy.

Also youve never spoken to a woman in your life

Broken_Promise posted...

Look, I get that this is a left leaning message board. Cool.

But I'm not crazy for saying that if abortions are not happening at 8.5 months that there is nothing wrong with the law explicitly outlawing them as illegal unless the mother's life is at risk. I am too old (35) and educated for you to convince me I am wrong with thinly veiled posts that I am crazy.

Kobe would be ashamed

How is someone as smart as you not getting it

Ur strawmans are so bad crows are starring to nest

TheGoldenEel posted...

Also youve never spoken to a woman in your life

The worst part is she is a woman

Can't wait for this account to get suspended too.

J

billcom6 posted...

They're not happening.

You can stop posting now.

Maybe they aren't. I'll continue to research the prevalence of abortions after 24-28 weeks and report my findings.

But when we pass a law protecting a woman's right to choose in the legislature it *does* need to ban abortions after viability. And viability needs a definition. Up until today I thought all of us pro choice folks were operating under that assumption but apparently not.

TheGoldenEel posted...

Also youve never spoken to a woman in your life

This is funny for reasons I won't explain. Better if someone that knows who I am tells you. :-)

KobeSystem posted...

The worst part is she is a woman

There we are. ;-)

KobeSystem posted...

The worst part is she is a woman

Let me amend

Also youve never spoken to another woman in your life

Broken_Promise posted...

Look, I get that this is a left leaning message board. Cool.

But I'm not crazy for saying that if abortions are not happening at 8.5 months that there is nothing wrong with the law explicitly outlawing them as illegal unless the mother's life is at risk. I am too old (35) and educated for you to convince me I am wrong with thinly veiled posts that I am crazy.

Oh fuck off.

You might find some good info on r/iamverysmart

KobeSystem posted...

Kobe would be ashamed

How is someone as smart as you not getting it

Ur strawmans are so bad crows are starring to nest

I actually do get it. A fundamental right that women have had (and should continue to have) for 50 years has been stolen away by a politicized right wing Supreme Court. Progressives are angry and adopting the absolutist political posturing adopted by conservatives in the fight to restore those shamefully stolen rights.

...What I'm saying is that as someone fully researching the topic at a level I previously hadn't in my adult life now that I have had rights taken from me...there are some things we need to button up about the law when we get it codified as a right federally via the congress. Because I'm uncomfortable with a law that theoretically allows abortions at any point of a fetus's life cycle for any reason. And you should be too.

Tag

Broken_Promise posted...

I actually do get it. A fundamental right that women have had (and should continue to have) for 50 years has been stolen away by a politicized right wing Supreme Court. Progressives are angry and adopting the absolutist political posturing adopted by conservatives in the fight to restore those shamefully stolen rights.

...What I'm saying is that as someone fully researching the topic at a level I previously hadn't in my adult life now that I have had rights taken from me...there are some things we need to button up about the law when we get it codified as a right federally via the congress. Because I'm uncomfortable with a law that theoretically allows abortions at any point of a fetus's life cycle for any reason. And you should be too.

https://twitter.com/edhelms/status/1315744436895113216

Makes me sick to my stomach too.

Less than 50 states have no limits on abortion

TheGoldenEel posted...

https://twitter.com/edhelms/status/1315744436895113216

nailed it

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TC, you are in the wrong place if you want to talk about abortion. I've seen people here repeatedly say fetuses aren't children and have no rights. My Son was born premature at 36 weeks. A fetus can be 40 weeks and aborted legally in some places. And yes, it does happen rarely even if the Mother's life isn't in danger. It's usually poor, women of color who do this when the baby daddy skips town. The abortion rate of black mothers is 5 times the rate of white women.

And you can be left leaning and be against 3rd trimester abortions (in most cases). I am and It's not a controversial opinion at all.

Broken_Promise posted...

I'm a Libertarian

lmao

TheGoldenEel posted...

https://twitter.com/edhelms/status/1315744436895113216

Honest response to this? If those 6,000 a year third trimester abortions are all happening because of a risk to the mother's health/life then a law saying that abortion can only happen in such cases is not going to make a difference.

1% or not, though, 6K lives (and at that point we can call them that) is not a trivial number. They deserve the dignity of debating what should happen to them and win. And I believe that should be codified into the new statue that we will need to have written now that Roe v Wade has been overturned.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/6/9/AASBEuAADZ6Z.jpg

kelemvor posted...

TC, you are in the wrong place if you want to talk about abortion. I've seen people here repeatedly say fetuses aren't children and have no rights. My Son was born premature at 36 weeks. A fetus can be 40 weeks and aborted legally in some places. And yes, it does happen rarely even if the Mother's life isn't in danger. It's usually poor, women of color who do this when the baby daddy skips town. The abortion rate of black mothers is 5 times the rate of white women.

And you can be left leaning and be against 3rd trimester abortions (in most cases). I am and It's not a controversial opinion at all.

Oh hey a ? block posting racist shit

must be a day ending in y

Kansas is somehow the bastion of abortion.
How did that happen?

kelemvor posted...

TC, you are in the wrong place if you want to talk about abortion. I've seen people here repeatedly say fetuses aren't children and have no rights. My Son was born premature at 36 weeks. A fetus can be 40 weeks and aborted legally in some places. And yes, it does happen rarely even if the Mother's life isn't in danger. It's usually poor, women of color who do this when the baby daddy skips town. The abortion rate of black mothers is 5 times the rate of white women.

And you can be left leaning and be against 3rd trimester abortions (in most cases). I am and It's not a controversial opinion at all.

Actually no, you can't be left-leaning and think there is any scenario where a woman loses her bodily autonomy to a fetus. Or if you fall for the late-term abortion conspiracies the right pushes. Those aren't done as birth control or on some whim. There is a serious reason for them. Also, many of those are called "labor"

kelemvor posted...

TC, you are in the wrong place if you want to talk about abortion. I've seen people here repeatedly say fetuses aren't children and have no rights. My Son was born premature at 36 weeks. A fetus can be 40 weeks and aborted legally in some places. And yes, it does happen rarely even if the Mother's life isn't in danger. It's usually poor, women of color who do this when the baby daddy skips town. The abortion rate of black mothers is 5 times the rate of white women.

And you can be left leaning and be against 3rd trimester abortions (in most cases). I am and It's not a controversial opinion at all.

I may be in the wrong place. But -- sad or not -- Gamefaqs is a community that is important to me. Yes, I talk with my very close friends and very close family about topics like this. But when I want to share an idea or get thoughts on a topic important to me this place is a sounding board that I value.

I'm sorry to hear that abortions take place at 40 weeks for non medical reasons. ...If that really is the case I think we need to dedicate *real* financial resources to ensure women aren't in positions where they feel they need to make that choice. And they need to go hand in hand with the codification of abortion rights. But aborting a viable fetus for non health related reasons should not be legal. Pre viability it absolutely should be legal. But not after unless the mother's health is at risk. Call me a crazy troll or Republican or whatever you like. But I'm legitimately shocked the law allows for this today and still processing it tbqh.

TheGoldenEel posted...

Oh hey a ? block posting racist shit

must be a day ending in y

https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2008/08/abortion-and-women-color-bigger-picture
Oh I'm racist by posting a fact about how over a 1/3rd of all abortions are women of color? And I have a mixed race family too. Just shut the fuck up.

_HayleyWilliams posted...

Actually no, you can't be left-leaning and think there is any scenario where a woman loses her bodily autonomy to a fetus. Or if you fall for the late-term abortion conspiracies the right pushes. Those aren't done as birth control or on some whim. There is a serious reason for them. Also, many of those are called "labor"

I will just say that on most social issues I identify with progressives (including a woman's right to choose if you actually read what I'm saying). Call me left leaning or right leaning or whatever you want. I can identify however I like, but only you can say if I'm part of your tribe (which is true of any two people determining where they stand on issues).

...That said, I will say that absolutism in any form is rarely useful. What I am hearing from many in this topic is unequivocal endorsement of abortion rights in all cases. And if that is coming from a place of pain or belief that you need to adopt the tactics of the opposition I *understand it*. But I also want to tell you that you are wrong. There is room for nuance. And we will need it to pass legislation codifying abortion rights in both houses of congress.

Broken_Promise posted...

That needs to go hand in hand with the recodification of abortion rights.

Spoilers: No one that wants to ban most abortions wants to put a penny into helping the children if the parents forced to birth them are poor or unfit. They want to punish the mothers far more than protect innocent life.

This is like saying banning gay marriage and sodomy is ok if those states fund moving LGBTQ+ people to safe states and promise not to prosecute.

Late term abortion just isnt something that happens a lot. Even with a 15 week ban for Florida, that only would have stopped like 5,000 total abortions last year.

Broken_Promise posted...

All of the responses in this topic are legitimately alarming.

An abortion should not be legal at 8.5 months. I'm not a concern troll. I'm a Libertarian/east coast Republican.

If I give you all the benefit of the doubt you're just jaded and too used to partisan bickering to realize this is alarming. If I don't give you the benefit of the doubt you actually think abortions at 8 months are okay.

Neither are good. And I am a bit scared for our country to find that I correctly interpreted the law here.

J

Libertarians should be pro mind your own fucking business here.

Broken_Promise posted...

I will just say that on most social issues I identify with progressives (including a woman's right to choose if you actually read what I'm saying). Call me left leaning or right leaning or whatever you want. I can identify however I like, but only you can say if I'm part of your tribe (which is true of any two people determining where they stand on issues).

...That said, I will say that absolutism in any form is rarely useful. What I am hearing from many in this topic is unequivocal endorsement of abortion rights in all cases. And if that is coming from a place of pain or belief that you need to adopt the tactics of the opposition I *understand it*. But I also want to tell you that you are wrong. There is room for nuance. And we will need it to pass legislation codifying abortion rights in both houses of congress.

Buddy, every issue does not have a sensible middle ground. Would you say that about legalizing gay marriage? About sexual assault? And what is the point in trying to find it when one party might ban abortion nationwide without exception by the time you get the chance? Are you implying the Republican uncompromising agenda is a response to someone else's refusal to act with nuance?