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Ermac 07/01/22 7:17:20 PM #1: |
Ive heard the argument that their anti-abortion approach is a response to an uprising of unwanted pregnancies resulting from unsafe sex practices. They say abortion acts as a catalyst, and if it werent a thing we would be more careful. Does that make sense? What are your thoughts? My mission here is to listen, not argue. I know i said i wasnt gonna post here anymore, but im trying something different by making a discussion topic vs belligerent ranting in other peoples topics. Ok guys? Ok. --- We are many, you are but one ... Copied to Clipboard!
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spikethedevil 07/01/22 7:18:53 PM #2: |
They forget that contraception isnt 100% perfect. --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nerevar791 07/01/22 7:21:19 PM #3: |
No, and regardless, that doesn't take rape into consideration. --- The artist formerly known as RebelElite791 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mustachedmystic 07/01/22 7:33:24 PM #4: |
These are the same people that think getting the HPV vaccine will make their daughters become promiscuous. --- Vegy is a 30 year old man, who's pretending to be a 60 year old woman that likes to act like a 57 year old man that pretends to be a horny 16 year old boy. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ermac 07/01/22 7:52:38 PM #5: |
idk maybe yall are tired of talking about this or im on everyones blocklist already, wouldnt be surprised, not too many people like having to think around here Pointing to the root of the problem, its on us either way. it wont, but self control isnt a good argument Rape is a totally different subject, it should be up to the person. Tbh if youre a rapist you obviously dont care about laws or safe sex, and allowing them to spread their genes is just sickening, absolutely theres alot of absolutely sickening things about this whole subject --- We are many, you are but one ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ruvan22 07/02/22 2:33:54 PM #6: |
Ermac posted... Ive heard the argument that their anti-abortion approach is a response to an uprising of unwanted pregnancies resulting from unsafe sex practices. They say abortion acts as a catalyst, and if it werent a thing we would be more careful. Pretty sure there's research that shows abortion restrictions *Don't* correlate to higher safe sex practices... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IfGodCouldDie 07/02/22 2:39:09 PM #7: |
Ermac posted... Ive heard the argument that their anti-abortion approach is a response to an uprising of unwanted pregnancies resulting from unsafe sex practices. They say abortion acts as a catalyst, and if it werent a thing we would be more careful.The thing about that is it is a complete fucking lie because the same people that want to ban abortion also want to ban contraceptives and limit sexual education. --- All posters and events depicted in this post are entirely fictitious. Any similarity to actual events or posters, living or dead, is purely coincidental. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nemu 07/02/22 2:39:51 PM #8: |
I'd assume you can correlate higher rates of abortions to areas with subpar sex education. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarthAragorn 07/02/22 2:41:08 PM #9: |
Abortion is hated by the same political party that constantly restricts access to sex ed and contraceptives so no, this is fucking dumb --- MSI MEG X570 Unify | Ryzen 7 5800X | 32GB DDR4-3600 | RTX 3080 Samsung Odyssey G7 32" - 1440p, 240hz, GSync ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Just_a_loser 07/02/22 2:41:31 PM #10: |
The only safe sex is no sex. Once women realize this, men will be denied sex en masse. --- Your face looks like I need a beer. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ermac 07/02/22 2:45:09 PM #11: |
Blowing my mind rn lol i can never tell where CE stands on anything. This has gotta be one of the worst forums for actual discussion --- We are many, you are but one ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ermac 07/02/22 2:50:50 PM #12: |
DarthAragorn posted... Abortion is hated by the same political party that constantly restricts access to sex ed and contraceptives ive done no research, and i refuse to. I dont have to think as a person, i just bow to my political party overlord, and anything opposing it is bad You have no clue how things work --- We are many, you are but one ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ermac 07/02/22 2:56:15 PM #13: |
Nemu posted... I'd assume you can correlate higher rates of abortions to areas with subpar sex education. i agree, education is a must and ours isnt working. When i was in school sex ed was handled by not only teaching the informatives of safe sex, but also promoting abstinence abstinence is a whole other subject, lets ignore that for now but recognize the problem was pushing an agenda as an informative process. These things should be strictly informative with no agenda inb4 everyone hates and disagrees with me --- We are many, you are but one ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CARRRNE_ASADA 07/02/22 2:58:40 PM #14: |
My son was born from a broken condom --- SEXY SEXY! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Prestoff 07/02/22 3:09:14 PM #15: |
There's research showing that places that planned parenthood gets banned showed higher rates of unwanted pregnancies. If I could find the article again, I'll post it. --- DI MOLTO! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bsp77 07/02/22 3:10:15 PM #16: |
Ermac posted... Blowing my mind rn lol i can never tell where CE stands on anything. This has gotta be one of the worst forums for actual discussion DarthAragorn posted... Abortion is hated by the same political party that constantly restricts access to sex ed and contraceptivesThe fact that you don't get this speaks volumes about you. Maybe you should leave --- Currently playing: I'm taking a gaming break ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IfGodCouldDie 07/02/22 3:12:29 PM #17: |
Ermac posted... Blowing my mind rn lol i can never tell where CE stands on anything. This has gotta be one of the worst forums for actual discussionWhat is it that has lead you to believe that CE is a hivemind? --- All posters and events depicted in this post are entirely fictitious. Any similarity to actual events or posters, living or dead, is purely coincidental. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Prestoff 07/02/22 3:17:10 PM #18: |
bsp77 posted... The fact that you don't get this speaks volumes about you. Maybe you should leave I'm going to assume that TC is asking this question out of good faith and not trying to start something. Because logically yes, if abortion is banned and the two consenting adults don't want to have a baby, it's safe to assume they would do things to make sure there's no pregnancies like birth control pills and condoms. However, reality is that is not what actually happens. What has been shown is that when you take away abortion and places like Planned Parenthood from an area, there's always a large increase of unwanted pregnancies. A lot of this is because of the lack of sex education and the areas being against contraception's. Plus we're humans, we're creatures that are prone to making mistakes.... a lot. In a perfect world we wouldn't need abortions and every pregnancy is always wanted and that the baby would always have the best kind of care they can get. Reality is more dirty and murky with a lot of grey areas, which is why abortion absolutely needs to be an option open for the women because of bodily autonomy. --- DI MOLTO! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bsp77 07/02/22 3:24:22 PM #19: |
Prestoff posted... I'm going to assume that TC is asking this question out of good faith and not trying to start something.I agree with you but I do not think TC was in good faith. He said he was here to listen and not argue and then immediately started going after everyone who said something he didn't like. --- Currently playing: I'm taking a gaming break ... Copied to Clipboard!
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__aCEr__ 07/02/22 3:29:48 PM #20: |
Engaging with Ermac --- See you next Wednesday. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ruvan22 07/02/22 3:49:16 PM #22: |
Ermac posted... i agree, education is a must and ours isnt working. When i was in school sex ed was handled by not only teaching the informatives of safe sex, but also promoting abstinence I'm not hating, but I *am* curious - why shouldn't it be taught with an agenda? We have an agenda when we teach car safety (you should use seatbelts, you should not text and drive). Research has shown that abstinence only education education consistently leads to higher teen pregnancies, STDs, and unhealthy sexual behavior when compared to teaching safe sex methods with an acknowledgement that abstinence is an option. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 07/02/22 3:50:45 PM #23: |
Ermac posted... ive done no research, and i refuse to. I dont have to think as a person, i just bow to my political party overlord, and anything opposing it is badFor someone here to listen, you seem to be not doing much of that. --- CyricZ He/him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ermac 07/02/22 4:04:57 PM #24: |
bsp77 posted... He said he was here to listen and not argue and then immediately started going after everyone who said something he didn't like. i mean i did nip at that one post but cmon that post was ridiculous. I dont want because politcal party argument, i want real valid answers and real valid statistics Im sorry if i seem fishy, i get moderations here alot for the littlest things, while i see worse things not being modded, so i feel like im on thin ice because of a miscommunication a couple weeks ago. Definitley not trying to step on anyones toes, i hope we all learn more from conversation instead of using it against us Prestoff posted... I'm going to assume that TC is asking this question out of good faith and not trying to start something. very interesting. So would you say we arent ready for it, but perhaps hope for the day where we can achieve ideal conditions where unwanted pregnancies decreasing vs increasing? that kind of makes sense. I dont believe people are gonna wrap it up anytime soon whether you tell them to or not, and things like birth control shots are still risky and kinda scary when you learn about how they work. We cant trust the average person to be that responsible, and there isnt really much alternatives today as sad as it seems. So abortion is never a good thing, banning it seems to do more harm than good, separating the states seems to cause chaos and confusion (which we have enough of) what do we do? Hope? Pray? Wish for better days? We need to take action, and what were doing isnt working. There isnt another big plan, and thats why people are defaulting to this. --- We are many, you are but one ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ermac 07/02/22 4:09:38 PM #25: |
Ruvan22 posted... Research has shown that abstinence only education education consistently leads to higher teen pregnancies, STDs, and unhealthy sexual behavior when compared to teaching safe sex methods with an acknowledgement that abstinence is an option. you asked a question and then answered it idk how to respond --- We are many, you are but one ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_HayleyWilliams 07/02/22 4:11:47 PM #26: |
Imagine being thousands of years into human existence and still thinking abstinence is a possibility. Sex havers have always liked having sex. You're never going to get society to only have sex with their spouse when they want to procreate. And people mock "the left" for being idealists. "Just stop having sex" is as much a solution as "just eat more" is for world hunger. It's such a simple "solution" that's it's worthless. It's a nothing statement. --- hockeybub89 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ermac 07/02/22 4:15:00 PM #27: |
_HayleyWilliams posted... Imagine being thousands of years into human existence and still thinking abstinence is a possibility. i agree! Thats why it doesnt work we still have very real problems that are getting way worse, and nobody has a solution --- We are many, you are but one ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Master_Bass 07/02/22 4:17:48 PM #28: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Yeah, that one really pisses me off. Everyone should be getting that vaccine, and most people are going to be having sex eventually. Why would you not want your kid and their partner to be better protected against a bunch of different cancers? Who also goes out and has a bunch of sex just because they got a vaccine? It's just so stupid. --- Many Bothans died to bring you this post. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IfGodCouldDie 07/02/22 4:23:39 PM #30: |
Ermac posted... So abortion is never a good thingThis isn't entirely true either. An abortion that saves the mother vs. letting the mother die and the fetus never developing into a baby is a good abortion. --- All posters and events depicted in this post are entirely fictitious. Any similarity to actual events or posters, living or dead, is purely coincidental. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Frolex 07/02/22 4:24:06 PM #31: |
No, there is not a shred of evidence that shows lack of abortion access leads people to fuck less or more safely. If you want safe sex, make access to condoms, contraceptives and birth control open and universal and give comprehensive sex ed that actually prepares students to have safe sex. these are all things that demonstrably DO lead to fewer unwanted pregnancies. --- http://i.imgur.com/HOLHd4k.gif http://i.imgur.com/six2WTN.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Accolon 07/02/22 4:31:58 PM #32: |
Sex education, easy access to contraceptives, and universal health care are things that will reduce abortions. They are also things that Republicans oppose. --- http://i.imgur.com/XAMp8.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ermac 07/02/22 4:45:40 PM #33: |
Accolon posted... Sex education, easy access to contraceptives, and universal health care are things that will reduce abortions. however we have common ground on reasoning Why is it one way or the other? Why do we continue to function on a knowingly broken system? We the people have the power, they represent us, not the other way around --- We are many, you are but one ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Accolon 07/02/22 4:50:56 PM #34: |
Ermac posted... however we have common ground on reasoning I'm not sure what you mean by common ground on reasoning. --- http://i.imgur.com/XAMp8.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IfGodCouldDie 07/02/22 5:00:50 PM #35: |
I'm starting to think TC has put me on ignore for calling out their bullshit in the past because they keep ignoring what I say only to respond when someone else mentions it. --- All posters and events depicted in this post are entirely fictitious. Any similarity to actual events or posters, living or dead, is purely coincidental. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Derwood 07/02/22 5:06:08 PM #36: |
They want casual sex to completely go away and reserve intercourse for child breeding only ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ermac 07/02/22 5:19:41 PM #37: |
Accolon posted... I'm not sure what you mean by common ground on reasoning. We want to fix society. increases in stds, unwanted pregnances, and other terrible, terrible things are a real issue. theres reasons they want affordable healthcare instead of free healthcare. If free healthcare turns out to be worth it, well get there We shouldnt have to trial and error everything, why do we run this way. we should just get along. Disagreeing with someone and hating them are two things that tend to be blended, your mind is infected with assumptions if you believe people are demented for being anti abortion. Its pretty interesting. Anyway im pretty done here shoutout to @CyricZ for confronting me over time and not blocking me, i respect it even more knowing hes an OG to the site. Thats grit --- We are many, you are but one ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ermac 07/02/22 5:22:03 PM #38: |
IfGodCouldDie posted... I'm starting to think TC has put me on ignore for calling out their bullshit in the past because they keep ignoring what I say only to respond when someone else mentions it. well tbh i thought the hivemind post was a joke and i liked it, if you havent noticed CE has a particular agenda idk it doesnt take much to see other posts i pretty much agree with and didnt need to reply. Thanks for adding to the topic, i do this for readers too --- We are many, you are but one ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ermac 07/02/22 5:23:20 PM #39: |
Derwood posted... They want casual sex to completely go away and reserve intercourse for child breeding only Well yeah but thats not happening. We couldnt even ban alcohol. anybody seriously pushing that will fade out quick and be replaced, and youll be the fool for taking the bait --- We are many, you are but one ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DipDipDiver 07/02/22 5:23:33 PM #40: |
"We don't need to use a condom, we can just get an abortion later!" - No one, ever ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IfGodCouldDie 07/02/22 5:31:01 PM #41: |
Ermac posted... well tbh i thought the hivemind post was a joke and i liked it, if you havent noticed CE has a particular agenda idk it doesnt take much to seeThere are enough left leaning posters, right leaning posters and centrists to know that CE isn't a hivemind. People on all sides of the political spectrum are modded regularly. The difference is that the ones on the left are more likely to be modded for name-calling because the ones on the right don't tend to do anything to earn any respect. Whereas the ones on the right are more likely to be modded for their shit takes because their beliefs rely on shitting on those they precieve as lesser than them. --- All posters and events depicted in this post are entirely fictitious. Any similarity to actual events or posters, living or dead, is purely coincidental. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChocoboMogALT 07/02/22 5:35:22 PM #42: |
Ermac == Skermac? I can't tell what TC's position is, what he's trying to communicate, or if he's even reading the posts he's pretending to reply to. --- "We live in a country Hasire.." ~ yosouf06 REVOLVER STAKE! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v717/ChocoboMog123/AltEisenRChocoboMog.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_HayleyWilliams 07/02/22 9:22:07 PM #43: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] I might be a virgin, but I was definitely taking the piss --- hockeybub89 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ruvan22 07/02/22 10:54:42 PM #44: |
Ermac posted... you asked a question and then answered it idk how to respond I'm not sure why you omitted most of my post, but I asked the question "Why do you believe it shouldn't be taught with an agenda?" and provided my answer for why it should. I'm asking you to respond with your rationale why it shouldn't.. Ermac posted... We want to fix society. increases in stds, unwanted pregnances, and other terrible, terrible things are a real issue. By "We", are you asking why is the US government set up this way? Or why do Republicans not get along with Democrats? You seem very passionate about defending the anti abortion stance as you criticize pro choice as having minds infected with assumptions.. but don't seem to notice the anti abortion advocates doing the same. And you seem to be discussing something different.. you started this by asking if limiting abortion would improve safe sex practices, and now you are criticizing pro choice proponents for viewing their opponents with hate? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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