Current Events > Would abortion have an impact on safe sex?

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Ive heard the argument that their anti-abortion approach is a response to an uprising of unwanted pregnancies resulting from unsafe sex practices. They say abortion acts as a catalyst, and if it werent a thing we would be more careful.

Does that make sense? What are your thoughts?

My mission here is to listen, not argue. I know i said i wasnt gonna post here anymore, but im trying something different by making a discussion topic vs belligerent ranting in other peoples topics. Ok guys? Ok.

They forget that contraception isnt 100% perfect.

No, and regardless, that doesn't take rape into consideration.

These are the same people that think getting the HPV vaccine will make their daughters become promiscuous.

idk maybe yall are tired of talking about this or im on everyones blocklist already, wouldnt be surprised, not too many people like having to think around here

Pointing to the root of the problem, its on us either way. it wont, but self control isnt a good argument

Rape is a totally different subject, it should be up to the person. Tbh if youre a rapist you obviously dont care about laws or safe sex, and allowing them to spread their genes is just sickening, absolutely

theres alot of absolutely sickening things about this whole subject

Ermac posted...

Ive heard the argument that their anti-abortion approach is a response to an uprising of unwanted pregnancies resulting from unsafe sex practices. They say abortion acts as a catalyst, and if it werent a thing we would be more careful.

Does that make sense? What are your thoughts?

My mission here is to listen, not argue. I know i said i wasnt gonna post here anymore, but im trying something different by making a discussion topic vs belligerent ranting in other peoples topics. Ok guys? Ok.

Pretty sure there's research that shows abortion restrictions *Don't* correlate to higher safe sex practices...

Ermac posted...

Ive heard the argument that their anti-abortion approach is a response to an uprising of unwanted pregnancies resulting from unsafe sex practices. They say abortion acts as a catalyst, and if it werent a thing we would be more careful.

Does that make sense? What are your thoughts?

My mission here is to listen, not argue. I know i said i wasnt gonna post here anymore, but im trying something different by making a discussion topic vs belligerent ranting in other peoples topics. Ok guys? Ok.

The thing about that is it is a complete fucking lie because the same people that want to ban abortion also want to ban contraceptives and limit sexual education.

I'd assume you can correlate higher rates of abortions to areas with subpar sex education.

Abortion is hated by the same political party that constantly restricts access to sex ed and contraceptives

so no, this is fucking dumb

The only safe sex is no sex.

Once women realize this, men will be denied sex en masse.

Blowing my mind rn lol i can never tell where CE stands on anything. This has gotta be one of the worst forums for actual discussion

DarthAragorn posted...

Abortion is hated by the same political party that constantly restricts access to sex ed and contraceptives

so no, this is fucking dumb

ive done no research, and i refuse to. I dont have to think as a person, i just bow to my political party overlord, and anything opposing it is bad

You have no clue how things work

Nemu posted...

I'd assume you can correlate higher rates of abortions to areas with subpar sex education.

i agree, education is a must and ours isnt working. When i was in school sex ed was handled by not only teaching the informatives of safe sex, but also promoting abstinence

abstinence is a whole other subject, lets ignore that for now but recognize the problem was pushing an agenda as an informative process. These things should be strictly informative with no agenda

inb4 everyone hates and disagrees with me

My son was born from a broken condom

There's research showing that places that planned parenthood gets banned showed higher rates of unwanted pregnancies. If I could find the article again, I'll post it.

Ermac posted...

Blowing my mind rn lol i can never tell where CE stands on anything. This has gotta be one of the worst forums for actual discussion

DarthAragorn posted...

Abortion is hated by the same political party that constantly restricts access to sex ed and contraceptives

so no, this is fucking dumb

The fact that you don't get this speaks volumes about you. Maybe you should leave

Ermac posted...

Blowing my mind rn lol i can never tell where CE stands on anything. This has gotta be one of the worst forums for actual discussion

What is it that has lead you to believe that CE is a hivemind?

bsp77 posted...

The fact that you don't get this speaks volumes about you. Maybe you should leave

I'm going to assume that TC is asking this question out of good faith and not trying to start something.

Because logically yes, if abortion is banned and the two consenting adults don't want to have a baby, it's safe to assume they would do things to make sure there's no pregnancies like birth control pills and condoms.

However, reality is that is not what actually happens. What has been shown is that when you take away abortion and places like Planned Parenthood from an area, there's always a large increase of unwanted pregnancies. A lot of this is because of the lack of sex education and the areas being against contraception's. Plus we're humans, we're creatures that are prone to making mistakes.... a lot. In a perfect world we wouldn't need abortions and every pregnancy is always wanted and that the baby would always have the best kind of care they can get. Reality is more dirty and murky with a lot of grey areas, which is why abortion absolutely needs to be an option open for the women because of bodily autonomy.

Prestoff posted...

I'm going to assume that TC is asking this question out of good faith and not trying to start something.

Because logically yes, if abortion is banned and the two consenting adults don't want to have a baby, it's safe to assume they would do things to make sure there's no pregnancies like birth control pills and condoms.

However, reality is that is not what actually happens. What has been shown is that when you take away abortion and places like Planned Parenthood from an area, there's always a large increase of unwanted pregnancies. A lot of this is because of the lack of sex education and the areas being against contraception's. Plus we're humans, we're creatures that are prone to making mistakes.... a lot. In a perfect world we wouldn't need abortions and every pregnancy is always wanted and that the baby would always have the best kind of care they can get. Reality is more dirty and murky with a lot of grey areas, which is why abortion absolutely needs to be an option open for the women because of bodily autonomy.

I agree with you but I do not think TC was in good faith. He said he was here to listen and not argue and then immediately started going after everyone who said something he didn't like.

Engaging with Ermac

Ermac posted...

i agree, education is a must and ours isnt working. When i was in school sex ed was handled by not only teaching the informatives of safe sex, but also promoting abstinence

abstinence is a whole other subject, lets ignore that for now but recognize the problem was pushing an agenda as an informative process. These things should be strictly informative with no agenda

inb4 everyone hates and disagrees with me

I'm not hating, but I *am* curious - why shouldn't it be taught with an agenda? We have an agenda when we teach car safety (you should use seatbelts, you should not text and drive). Research has shown that abstinence only education education consistently leads to higher teen pregnancies, STDs, and unhealthy sexual behavior when compared to teaching safe sex methods with an acknowledgement that abstinence is an option.

Ermac posted...

ive done no research, and i refuse to. I dont have to think as a person, i just bow to my political party overlord, and anything opposing it is bad

You have no clue how things work

For someone here to listen, you seem to be not doing much of that.

bsp77 posted...

He said he was here to listen and not argue and then immediately started going after everyone who said something he didn't like.

i mean i did nip at that one post but cmon that post was ridiculous. I dont want because politcal party argument, i want real valid answers and real valid statistics

Im sorry if i seem fishy, i get moderations here alot for the littlest things, while i see worse things not being modded, so i feel like im on thin ice because of a miscommunication a couple weeks ago.

Definitley not trying to step on anyones toes, i hope we all learn more from conversation instead of using it against us

Prestoff posted...

I'm going to assume that TC is asking this question out of good faith and not trying to start something.

Because logically yes, if abortion is banned and the two consenting adults don't want to have a baby, it's safe to assume they would do things to make sure there's no pregnancies like birth control pills and condoms.

However, reality is that is not what actually happens. What has been shown is that when you take away abortion and places like Planned Parenthood from an area, there's always a large increase of unwanted pregnancies. A lot of this is because of the lack of sex education and the areas being against contraception's. Plus we're humans, we're creatures that are prone to making mistakes.... a lot. In a perfect world we wouldn't need abortions and every pregnancy is always wanted and that the baby would always have the best kind of care they can get. Reality is more dirty and murky with a lot of grey areas, which is why abortion absolutely needs to be an option open for the women because of bodily autonomy.

very interesting.

So would you say we arent ready for it, but perhaps hope for the day where we can achieve ideal conditions where unwanted pregnancies decreasing vs increasing?

that kind of makes sense. I dont believe people are gonna wrap it up anytime soon whether you tell them to or not, and things like birth control shots are still risky and kinda scary when you learn about how they work. We cant trust the average person to be that responsible, and there isnt really much alternatives today as sad as it seems.

So abortion is never a good thing, banning it seems to do more harm than good, separating the states seems to cause chaos and confusion (which we have enough of) what do we do? Hope? Pray? Wish for better days? We need to take action, and what were doing isnt working. There isnt another big plan, and thats why people are defaulting to this.

Ruvan22 posted...

Research has shown that abstinence only education education consistently leads to higher teen pregnancies, STDs, and unhealthy sexual behavior when compared to teaching safe sex methods with an acknowledgement that abstinence is an option.

you asked a question and then answered it idk how to respond

Imagine being thousands of years into human existence and still thinking abstinence is a possibility.

Sex havers have always liked having sex. You're never going to get society to only have sex with their spouse when they want to procreate.

And people mock "the left" for being idealists. "Just stop having sex" is as much a solution as "just eat more" is for world hunger. It's such a simple "solution" that's it's worthless. It's a nothing statement.

_HayleyWilliams posted...

Imagine being thousands of years into human existence and still thinking abstinence is a possibility.

Sex havers have always liked having sex. You're never going to get society to only have sex with their spouse when they want to procreate.

And people mock "the left" for being idealists. "Just stop having sex" is as much a solution as "just eat more" is for world hunger. It's such a simple "solution" that's it's worthless. It's a nothing statement.

i agree! Thats why it doesnt work

we still have very real problems that are getting way worse, and nobody has a solution

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Yeah, that one really pisses me off. Everyone should be getting that vaccine, and most people are going to be having sex eventually. Why would you not want your kid and their partner to be better protected against a bunch of different cancers?

Who also goes out and has a bunch of sex just because they got a vaccine? It's just so stupid.

Ermac posted...

So abortion is never a good thing

This isn't entirely true either. An abortion that saves the mother vs. letting the mother die and the fetus never developing into a baby is a good abortion.

No, there is not a shred of evidence that shows lack of abortion access leads people to fuck less or more safely. If you want safe sex, make access to condoms, contraceptives and birth control open and universal and give comprehensive sex ed that actually prepares students to have safe sex. these are all things that demonstrably DO lead to fewer unwanted pregnancies.

Sex education, easy access to contraceptives, and universal health care are things that will reduce abortions.

They are also things that Republicans oppose.

Accolon posted...

Sex education, easy access to contraceptives, and universal health care are things that will reduce abortions.

They are also things that Republicans oppose.

however we have common ground on reasoning

Why is it one way or the other? Why do we continue to function on a knowingly broken system? We the people have the power, they represent us, not the other way around

Ermac posted...

however we have common ground on reasoning

Why is it one way or the other? Why do we continue to function on a knowingly broken system? We the people have the power, they represent us, not the other way around

I'm not sure what you mean by common ground on reasoning.

I'm starting to think TC has put me on ignore for calling out their bullshit in the past because they keep ignoring what I say only to respond when someone else mentions it.

They want casual sex to completely go away and reserve intercourse for child breeding only

Accolon posted...

I'm not sure what you mean by common ground on reasoning.

We want to fix society. increases in stds, unwanted pregnances, and other terrible, terrible things are a real issue.

theres reasons they want affordable healthcare instead of free healthcare. If free healthcare turns out to be worth it, well get there

We shouldnt have to trial and error everything, why do we run this way. we should just get along. Disagreeing with someone and hating them are two things that tend to be blended, your mind is infected with assumptions if you believe people are demented for being anti abortion.

Its pretty interesting. Anyway im pretty done here

shoutout to @CyricZ for confronting me over time and not blocking me, i respect it even more knowing hes an OG to the site. Thats grit

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I'm starting to think TC has put me on ignore for calling out their bullshit in the past because they keep ignoring what I say only to respond when someone else mentions it.

well tbh i thought the hivemind post was a joke and i liked it, if you havent noticed CE has a particular agenda idk it doesnt take much to see

other posts i pretty much agree with and didnt need to reply. Thanks for adding to the topic, i do this for readers too

Derwood posted...

They want casual sex to completely go away and reserve intercourse for child breeding only

Well yeah but thats not happening. We couldnt even ban alcohol. anybody seriously pushing that will fade out quick and be replaced, and youll be the fool for taking the bait

"We don't need to use a condom, we can just get an abortion later!" - No one, ever

Ermac posted...

well tbh i thought the hivemind post was a joke and i liked it, if you havent noticed CE has a particular agenda idk it doesnt take much to see

other posts i pretty much agree with and didnt need to reply. Thanks for adding to the topic, i do this for readers too

There are enough left leaning posters, right leaning posters and centrists to know that CE isn't a hivemind. People on all sides of the political spectrum are modded regularly. The difference is that the ones on the left are more likely to be modded for name-calling because the ones on the right don't tend to do anything to earn any respect. Whereas the ones on the right are more likely to be modded for their shit takes because their beliefs rely on shitting on those they precieve as lesser than them.

Ermac == Skermac?

I can't tell what TC's position is, what he's trying to communicate, or if he's even reading the posts he's pretending to reply to.

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I might be a virgin, but I was definitely taking the piss

Ermac posted...

you asked a question and then answered it idk how to respond

I'm not sure why you omitted most of my post, but I asked the question "Why do you believe it shouldn't be taught with an agenda?" and provided my answer for why it should. I'm asking you to respond with your rationale why it shouldn't..

Ermac posted...

We want to fix society. increases in stds, unwanted pregnances, and other terrible, terrible things are a real issue.

theres reasons they want affordable healthcare instead of free healthcare. If free healthcare turns out to be worth it, well get there

We shouldnt have to trial and error everything, why do we run this way. we should just get along. Disagreeing with someone and hating them are two things that tend to be blended, your mind is infected with assumptions if you believe people are demented for being anti abortion.

By "We", are you asking why is the US government set up this way? Or why do Republicans not get along with Democrats? You seem very passionate about defending the anti abortion stance as you criticize pro choice as having minds infected with assumptions.. but don't seem to notice the anti abortion advocates doing the same.

And you seem to be discussing something different.. you started this by asking if limiting abortion would improve safe sex practices, and now you are criticizing pro choice proponents for viewing their opponents with hate?