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archedsoul
06/23/22 3:09:59 PM
#101:


Xethuminra posted...
You lose and get upset

That's so sad. Theories are theories.
I'm not upset. You keep trying to counter a very simple concept with nothing backing it.

Guide posted...
He's wrong, but you don't have to be shitty about it.
I've given him enough patience over the last page. It's clear he doesn't understand and keeps going "but no" instead of going "oh, ok, maybe I'll read more into this".

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TULPAMANCER
06/23/22 3:10:29 PM
#102:


Xethuminra posted...
We're talking about something so improbable that it would only happen ONCE in ALL of infinity.

Yes, exactly. You answered your own question. "Once in an infinite timeline" = a non-zero probability, therefore it will happen given an infinite timeline.

The error in your thinking seems to be "well, a quadrillion years from now, who's to say it would've happened? Or a quadrillion years from then?" That doesn't matter. The point is, given infinite time, It. Will. Happen.
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KawaiiTakumi
06/23/22 3:12:22 PM
#103:


There is infinite numbers between 0 and 1 but not every number is between 0 and 1

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Xethuminra
06/23/22 3:12:27 PM
#104:


In infinite time the probability of some things turns to infinite and the probably of other things goes to zero

That's your argument? In mapping the possibilities of the universe, I promise you will be in my scenario long before you get to yours. Where you're looking for 5s that never show up and never will
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orangefire25
06/23/22 3:35:22 PM
#105:


LordMarshal posted...
If there were infinite universes then there would be infinite versions of everyone and their value would be meaningless if you could travel between those universes.

What if i blew up earth but then just went to another parallel universe? No harm....
Okay Rick Sanchez

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Shamino
06/23/22 3:43:45 PM
#106:


https://youtu.be/LfeIezSuRj4

Just gonna leave this here...

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Guide
06/23/22 3:44:30 PM
#107:


Xethuminra posted...
the probably of other things goes to zero

I don't get where this is coming from.

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Xethuminra
06/23/22 3:48:26 PM
#108:


Guide posted...
I don't get where this is coming from.
Couple different places

Mostly the idea that something can be physically possible... But never occur

Is that not, well erm

Possible?
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TULPAMANCER
06/23/22 4:01:33 PM
#109:


Xethuminra posted...
Couple different places

Mostly the idea that something can be physically possible... But never occur

Is that not, well erm

Possible?

If it's possible, it has a non zero probability.
If it has a non zero probability, it will happen inevitably given an infinite timeline.
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Guide
06/23/22 4:40:49 PM
#110:


Xethuminra posted...
Couple different places

Mostly the idea that something can be physically possible... But never occur

Is that not, well erm

Possible?

If something is at all possible, then it has nonzero probability, which, given infinite iterations, means it will happen an infinite amount of times.
Reword what you're saying while retaining the same logic:
"Can a possible thing be impossible?"
"Can something with nonzero probability have zero probability?"

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TULPAMANCER
06/23/22 4:48:33 PM
#111:


Xethuminra posted...
In infinite time the probability of some things turns to infinite and the probably of other things goes to zero

No, in an infinite timeline, no probability trends "toward zero." It either has zero probability from the get go (meaning it's impossible) or it inevitably happens.
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Xethuminra
06/23/22 5:02:50 PM
#112:


The answer is yes

It can. If another factor comes in and changes it, for example.
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Smackems
06/23/22 5:04:15 PM
#113:


There's a universe where everything is the same except I'm typing something different right now. And there's one where everything is the same except I'm not typing anything at all

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Guide
06/23/22 5:06:09 PM
#114:


Xethuminra posted...
The answer is yes

It can. If another factor comes in and changes it, for example.

Without defining the factor, it's not really an example. Also, no, a possible thing cannot be impossible. That's called a contradiction. A thing that was once possible can become impossible, but it can never be those two states at the same time. But because it is possible at all, there will be instances where it happens, given infinite iterations.

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Xethuminra
06/23/22 5:11:23 PM
#115:


The moment it changes it is arguably in both states and if it was going to change then it has qualities of both states, naturally

I'd concede but
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Xethuminra
06/23/22 5:15:03 PM
#117:


Or simply if I may add to that is that theoretical probabality does not always reflect reality
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TULPAMANCER
06/23/22 5:23:29 PM
#118:


We've provided you with the truth, and explained why you were mistaken. If you want to keep arguing from ignorance, go ahead. But I'm done with this circular debate. Do some research and learn it for yourself from a more reputable source if you don't trust us.
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Guide
06/23/22 5:25:14 PM
#119:


Xethuminra posted...
The moment it changes it is arguably in both states and if it was going to change then it has qualities of both states, naturally

No, it's... really not. Like, that makes no sense at all. But I'm open to you proving me wrong.

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Guide
06/23/22 5:26:41 PM
#120:


@archedsoul sorry btw. I should have read more thoroughly.

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MedeaLysistrata
06/23/22 5:27:52 PM
#121:


TULPAMANCER posted...
If it's possible, it has a non zero probability.
If it has a non zero probability, it will happen inevitably given an infinite timeline.
Can you point to the proof or argument for this?

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Jerry_Hellyeah
06/23/22 5:29:59 PM
#122:


Lotsa people in this topic taking theories as concrete fact. I know its exciting, but chill out, Bill Nye.

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MedeaLysistrata
06/23/22 5:30:33 PM
#123:


Also, something can be possible but lack any force that would make it happen. So I don't know if that can really said to be a universal claim. But I'm not good at this stuff lol.

Wait never mind this makes no sense...

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TULPAMANCER
06/23/22 6:12:59 PM
#124:


MedeaLysistrata posted...
Can you point to the proof or argument for this?

It's axiomatic. If something is impossible, its probability is zero. Now take the converse of this. Possible = some probability.
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Trumble
06/23/22 6:26:54 PM
#125:


If there are infinite parallel universes, there is a universe where there aren't infinite parallel universes.

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Shamino
06/23/22 6:27:26 PM
#126:


Trumble posted...
If there are infinite parallel universes, there is a universe where there aren't infinite parallel universes.

Uh oh...

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Alteres
06/23/22 9:05:29 PM
#127:


You know you guys are arguing .9999999999=1 again for the bajillionth time, correct?

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TULPAMANCER
06/23/22 10:06:09 PM
#128:


Alteres posted...
You know you guys are arguing .9999999999=1 again for the bajillionth time, correct?

That's why I'm not taking part in this anymore. I'm not going to force feed the truth to someone. If they're genuinely curious then they'll take it upon themselves to do a couple Google searches and discover the truth rather than argue with us like a petulant teen because they don't want to accept that they don't understand something.
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Jerry_Hellyeah
06/24/22 12:33:27 PM
#129:


TULPAMANCER posted...
That's why I'm not taking part in this anymore. I'm not going to force feed the truth to someone. If they're genuinely curious then they'll take it upon themselves to do a couple Google searches and discover the truth rather than argue with us like a petulant teen because they don't want to accept that they don't understand something.

I like how you call your theory "the truth" here, and at the same time credit your enlightenment to a few google searches.

Stop it. Get some help.

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TULPAMANCER
06/24/22 12:56:56 PM
#130:


Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
I like how you call your theory "the truth" here, and at the same time credit your enlightenment to a few google searches.

Stop it. Get some help.

Good job on completely missing the point. First of all, it's not a "theory," it's mathematical reality. And yes, a few Google searches is all it would take for anyone to see. Keep wallowing in your ignorance

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MedeaLysistrata
06/25/22 2:47:49 AM
#131:


If something is possible but has to happen given infinite time, then it is actually necessary

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TULPAMANCER
06/25/22 9:43:21 AM
#132:


MedeaLysistrata posted...
If something is possible but has to happen given infinite time, then it is actually necessary

Yes.
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MedeaLysistrata
06/25/22 9:44:45 AM
#133:


TULPAMANCER posted...
Yes.
So you're saying the probability something doesn't happen, and the probability it does, are both necessary?

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TULPAMANCER
06/25/22 11:35:32 AM
#134:


In the context of infinity, something with a non zero probability will necessarily occur. This is a more careful semantic explanation.
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MedeaLysistrata
06/25/22 11:58:39 AM
#135:


TULPAMANCER posted...
In the context of infinity, something with a non zero probability will necessarily occur. This is a more careful semantic explanation.
I don't see how that's axiomatic and it even seems contradictory. If something has a 50% percent possibility to happen, there is nothing that says it happening is ontological prior to it not happening. So given infinite time both possibilities still exist. If it was always necessary for something to happen then it wouldn't be a probability and time would be irrelevant. Also your situation requires that event be repeated an x amount of times for the probability to be actualized, which means it doesn't apply to things that exist in infinite time but happen a limited amount of times.

But if you have a proof someone can confirm I'll concede.

Also, a set of elements being repeated and making combinations does not convince me. If something is repeated and has a 50% chance of happening every time it is repeated, it could very well never happen. The probability that it never happens would also have to be infinite unless it happens in a measurable amount of time. I just don't see how it could fail to be a possibility.

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MedeaLysistrata
06/25/22 12:10:34 PM
#136:


Look at it this way:

Flipping a coin an infinite amount of times can either have it land on only one side, or both sides at least once. If you have an infinite amount of coin flippers the probability that both these situations doesn't happen is non zero, but the probability that both do happen is also non zero. How can both happen without having a contradiction in which thing necessarily happens?

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Xethuminra
06/25/22 12:15:07 PM
#137:


The gambler's fallacy, also known as the Monte Carlo fallacy or the fallacy of the maturity of chances, is the incorrect belief that, if a particular event occurs more frequently than normal during the past, it is less likely to happen in the future (or vice versa), when it has otherwise been established that the probability of such events does not depend on what has happened in the past.
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TULPAMANCER
06/25/22 1:29:04 PM
#138:


@MedeaLysistrata, you bring up a good point which I believe relates to a principle I erred in regard to earlier. You are correct that there is no such thing as a specific probability that would only happen once in infinity.

It boils down to this: Anything with a non-zero probability will occur an infinite amount of times, given an infinite timeline. Something that is impossible will never happen.
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MedeaLysistrata
06/25/22 1:54:52 PM
#140:


TULPAMANCER posted...
@MedeaLysistrata, you bring up a good point which I believe relates to a principle I erred in regard to earlier. You are correct that there is no such thing as a specific probability that would only happen once in infinity.

It boils down to this: Anything with a non-zero probability will occur an infinite amount of times, given an infinite timeline. Something that is impossible will never happen.
The probability that the first coin flip is heads is 50% and only happens once. Also an infinite timeline is non repeating and only happens once. Something that only happens once isn't impossible.

Anyway I see what you're saying, but something that repeats can stop repeating and that's not intuitively impossible in any sense.

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MedeaLysistrata
06/25/22 1:56:04 PM
#141:


There is a difference between an infinite series and an infinite series that starts at 1, of course

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neccis
06/25/22 2:00:53 PM
#142:


LordMarshal posted...
But you could also, quite literally, go fuck yourself.
Infinitely.

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RedRanger
06/25/22 2:16:01 PM
#144:


TULPAMANCER posted...
...that means every single film in the history of mankind has actually happened.
On the flip side of that, your very own life itself is a movie in one of those realities.
Thats not how any of this works.

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MICHALECOLE
06/26/22 5:48:35 PM
#145:


RedRanger posted...
Thats not how any of this works.
Infinity mother fucker
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