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pegusus123456
06/23/22 2:38:08 AM
#51:


Xethuminra posted...
So because something "could" happen... It will? Ehhhhhhhhh

Are we mincing here?
I don't think you understand what infinity is.

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archedsoul
06/23/22 2:38:34 AM
#52:


Xethuminra posted...
So because something "could" happen... It will? Ehhhhhhhhh

Are we mincing here?
Yes, that's the nature of infinite time. It goes on forever. Even something 10^100^100^100^100^100 years is still the "first second" of eternity.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem

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Xethuminra
06/23/22 2:41:47 AM
#53:


But you haven't demonstrated that an infinite timeline will yield all possible configurations

Only that it will lead many

It would need to be in such a state that allows for all possible configurations, but as we see with many puzzles, an otherwise solvable puzzle can be put into a locked state from which there is an entrance but no escape, using the available pieces. Depending on the scenario

Anyway, I get the feeling you will just argue they are impossible scenarios to begin with if they never happen, even if they don't deny the laws of physics and would only require moving an atom, basically. No damage to the model
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pegusus123456
06/23/22 2:42:38 AM
#54:


Xethuminra posted...
But you haven't demonstrated that an infinite timeline will yield all possible configurations
Okay, now I know you don't know what infinity is.

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Xethuminra
06/23/22 2:44:40 AM
#55:


pegusus123456 posted...
Okay, now I know you don't know what infinity is.
A timeline that goes on forever doesn't mean EVERYTHING happens within it. Basically I'm arguing that there are 10 possible configurations and you're saying no there has to be 15

Mincing
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pegusus123456
06/23/22 2:45:32 AM
#56:


Xethuminra posted...
A timeline that goes on forever doesn't mean EVERYTHING happens within it.

pegusus123456 posted...
Okay, now I know you don't know what infinity is.


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RetroGamer68
06/23/22 2:46:00 AM
#57:


So the only reason Im not having a big tiddy goth gf is because another me in another parallel universe already got one?

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Xethuminra
06/23/22 2:49:10 AM
#58:


Timeline goes on forever repeating 10 trillion universes
Vs
Timeline goes on forever repeating 25 trillion universes

These are different things.

And also again being "possible" doesn't mean it WILL happen even if given forever. That seems like a fallacy. Time goes on forever so the thing that is like 1 gazillionth percent likely to happen will... Eventually. No. Why? Eventually it will land on that number? Not necessarily

If it didn't happen in 1 quadrillion years, it might not happen in the next quadrillion either. That's just as valid
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Imit8m3
06/23/22 2:51:04 AM
#59:


RetroGamer68 posted...
So the only reason Im not having a big tiddy goth gf is because another me in another parallel universe already got one?
*Infinite you's* in other universes.

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Norman_Smiley
06/23/22 2:52:03 AM
#60:


pegusus123456 posted...
Okay, now I know you don't know what infinity is.

He's right though. There are infinitesimal numbers, a number greater than 0 but approaching zero. Even with an infinite number of universes you can have unique events. The odds of any given person existing could be infinitesimally small so there could be a finite, perhaps only 1, of "you".

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Xethuminra
06/23/22 2:53:09 AM
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Norman_Smiley posted...
He's right though. There are infinitesimal numbers, a number greater than 0 but approaching zero. Even with an infinite number of universes you can have unique events. The odds of any given person existing could be infinitesimally small so there could be a finite, perhaps only 1, of "you".
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Imit8m3
06/23/22 2:54:16 AM
#62:


Xethuminra posted...
Timeline goes on forever repeating 10 trillion universes
Vs
Timeline goes on forever repeating 25 trillion universes

These are different things.

And also again being "possible" doesn't mean it WILL happen even if given forever. That seems like a fallacy. Time goes on forever so the thing that is like 1 gazillionth percent likely to happen will... Eventually. No. Why? Eventually it will land on that number? Not necessarily

If it didn't happen in 1 quadrillion years, it might not happen in the next quadrillion either. That's just as valid
Seriously!? dudes gotta be trolling now right...

Infinite means without end. There is no 25 or 15 infinites.

No matter how large a number is, it will always be closer to 0, than it is to infinity.


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Xethuminra
06/23/22 2:55:23 AM
#63:


Doesn't end yes

Also doesn't HAVE to hit your number
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archedsoul
06/23/22 2:57:02 AM
#64:


Like pegasus said, I don't think you guys understand what infinity is.

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Xethuminra
06/23/22 2:58:38 AM
#65:


No. Ive described several examples of where what I am describing is possible

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Ratchetrockon
06/23/22 3:00:11 AM
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I hope i reincarnate to a universe where magic is real


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archedsoul
06/23/22 3:00:27 AM
#67:


Xethuminra posted...
No. Ive described several examples of where what I am describing is possible

Kek
All non-zero probabilities happen with infinite time. Everything you're saying is basically nonsense.

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Xethuminra
06/23/22 3:01:55 AM
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archedsoul posted...
All non-zero probabilities happen with infinite time. Everything you're saying is basically nonsense.
Like I said

You're now branding them as impossible scenarios whether they're physically possible or not
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archedsoul
06/23/22 3:02:54 AM
#69:


Xethuminra posted...
Like I said

You're now branding them as impossible scenarios whether they're physically possible or not
Like I said, this is nonsense as you have no idea what you're talking about.

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Xethuminra
06/23/22 3:11:05 AM
#70:


archedsoul posted...
Like I said, this is nonsense as you have no idea what you're talking about.
Calm down.

let's say you created a puzzle using a tube and a handful of marbles with numbers on them to simulate the universe. if you pack the marbles tightly enough, the ones on the bottom will not be able to shift enough to switch places with the ones on top. But, if you shake it, they kinda move around and one shows the number on its face through a hole in the tube. The marbles are also too big to fit through the hole, but you can see a marble or two through it. You shake it and see the 4, the 2, the 3... But not the 5. Even though there is a 5 in there , it's stuck at the bottom and weighed down by the marbles and too big to be brought to the top. The possibility that the 5 could be at the top is still there. If you rearranged the marbles. It isn't like if you had a marble outside the tube and expect it to come up when you shake it. So on an infinite timeline, while there is a 5 in there, and it could show up at the top and that wouldn't be totally illogical, it is weighed down by other marbles and you only ever see a 4 or a 2 or a 3

But the outsider doesn't know this, and they keep betting that the 5 has to show up on an infinite timeline

But we all agree the 8 (which is not inside the tube) will never appear at the top of the tube

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archedsoul
06/23/22 3:17:03 AM
#71:


Xethuminra posted...
Calm down.

let's say you created a puzzle using a tube and a handful of marbles with numbers on them to simulate the universe. if you pack the marbles tightly enough, the ones on the bottom will not be able to shift enough to switch places with the ones on top. But, if you shake it, they kinda move around and one shows the number on its face through a hole in the tube. The marbles are also too big to fit through the hole, but you can see a marble or two through it. You shake it and see the 4, the 2, the 3... But not the 5. Even though there is a 5 in there , it's stuck at the bottom and weighed down by the marbles and too big to be brought to the top. The possibility that the 5 could be at the top is still there. If you rearranged the marbles. It isn't like if you had a marble outside the tube and expect it to come up when you shake it. So on an infinite timeline, while there is a 5 in there, and it could show up at the top and that wouldn't be totally illogical, it is weighed down by other marbles and you only ever see a 4 or a 2 or a 3

But the outsider doesn't know this, and they keep betting that the 5 has to show up on an infinite timeline

But we all agree the 8 (which is not inside the tube) will never appear at the top of the tube
If it has a non-zero probability, it will eventually happen with infinite time, no matter how impossible it might seem.

If you say never, then it has a zero probability, which means it will never happen.

Again, I don't think you understand what infinity is, especially wrt to probabilities.

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Xethuminra
06/23/22 3:18:42 AM
#72:


Okay

You might be thinking of a jar with a bunch of tiny marbles in it. That will hit all marbles on an infinite timeline.

But why do you assume the universe isn't closer to my model? Where the bottom marbles you see don't have to surface
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pegusus123456
06/23/22 3:20:09 AM
#73:


Xethuminra posted...
Even though there is a 5 in there , it's stuck at the bottom and weighed down by the marbles and too big to be brought to the top.
So it's impossible.

Glad we hashed this out.

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Xethuminra
06/23/22 3:21:45 AM
#74:


pegusus123456 posted...
So it's impossible.

Glad we hashed this out.
Absolutely

Never considered that one before
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pegusus123456
06/23/22 3:22:15 AM
#75:


Xethuminra posted...
Absolutely

Never considered that one before
It's okay, CE was here to help you.

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Xethuminra
06/23/22 3:23:02 AM
#76:


pegusus123456 posted...
It's okay, CE was here to help you.
The Lost Marbles Hypothesis
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Imit8m3
06/23/22 3:23:30 AM
#77:


As I have said before, the events in any universe will still be beholden to the laws of physics. So Xeth is actually correct in assuming that an object will never fall up.

But what if we an explosive charge is placed under it and the force sense said object into the stratosphere. Is also a valid response.


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archedsoul
06/23/22 3:23:37 AM
#78:


Xethuminra posted...
Okay

You might be thinking of a jar with a bunch of tiny marbles in it. That will hit all marbles on an infinite timeline.

But why do you assume the universe isn't closer to my model? Where the bottom marbles you see don't have to surface
Your "model" is kind of irrelevant as I keep repeating the same principle regardless of model.

If something is simply not possible, it will never happen. Not even with infinite time.

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MICHALECOLE
06/23/22 3:23:40 AM
#79:


Infinity is a paradox
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Xethuminra
06/23/22 3:27:43 AM
#80:


archedsoul posted...
Your "model" is kind of irrelevant as I keep repeating the same principle regardless of model.

If something is simply not possible, it will never happen. Not even with infinite time.
If something is possible, it might still never happen with infinite time.

I'm glad to clarify and bring it back to that point.

Because to be frank, it's much more like the 5 marble is floating out there in the void and just never comes forward, even in infinite time

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archedsoul
06/23/22 3:39:19 AM
#81:


Xethuminra posted...
If something is possible, it might still never happen with infinite time.

I'm glad to clarify and bring it back to that point.

Because to be frank, it's much more like the 5 marble is floating out there in the void and just never comes forward, even in infinite time
Nope, as I said, with infinite time and non-zero probability, it will happen. This is math. With infinite time, all non-zero probabilities eventually go to 1, despite how close to zero the probability is.

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Xethuminra
06/23/22 3:41:46 AM
#82:


archedsoul posted...
Nope, as I said, with infinite time and non-zero probability, it will happen. This is math. With infinite time, all non-zero probabilities eventually go to 1, despite how close to zero the probability is.
Proof?
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pegusus123456
06/23/22 3:50:16 AM
#83:


Xethuminra posted...
Proof?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/infinity

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Chadwick69
06/23/22 3:53:20 AM
#84:


If there was infinite parallel universes, why haven't we been contacted by any of them? Surely in one of those infinite universes someone would have developed the ability to interact with other universes.

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itachi15243
06/23/22 4:07:11 AM
#85:


Xethuminra posted...
Proof?

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If you multiply .00000000000000000000001 by infinity, what do you get?

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Middle hope
06/23/22 4:08:42 AM
#86:


Is there one where zhuzhu pets are still a thing?

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archedsoul
06/23/22 4:38:17 AM
#87:


Xethuminra posted...
Proof?
The probability of at least one heads in a coin flip of a single coin is .50.

.75 for 2 flips.
.875 for 3 flips
.9375 for 4 flips
.96875 for 5 flips
.984375 for 6 flips

You see where that's going? Apply it to any other number over infinity.

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TULPAMANCER
06/23/22 11:27:38 AM
#88:


Infinity is a bizarre concept to understand, but it is true that anything with a non-zero probability would eventually (in fact, inevitably) occur given infinite time.

Just because a googolplex years have transpired and it hasn't happened, doesn't mean it won't happen. Because as incomprehensibly gargantuan a googolplex is, it's infinitesimal on the infinite number line.
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NatsuSama
06/23/22 11:47:57 AM
#89:


LordMarshal posted...
If there were infinite universes then there would be infinite versions of everyone and their value would be meaningless if you could travel between those universes.

What if i blew up earth but then just went to another parallel universe? No harm....
Um....you definitely still did harm....

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NatsuSama
06/23/22 11:50:03 AM
#90:


Chadwick69 posted...
If there was infinite parallel universes, why haven't we been contacted by any of them? Surely in one of those infinite universes someone would have developed the ability to interact with other universes.
That assumes it is even possible to traverse parallel universes, so no.

Just saying, not getting a visit doesn't mean it's not possible.

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crayola555
06/23/22 11:53:07 AM
#91:


LordMarshal posted...
If there were infinite universes then there would be infinite versions of everyone and their value would be meaningless if you could travel between those universes.

What if i blew up earth but then just went to another parallel universe? No harm....

This would be great for Goku and friends in Dragonball so they don't have to collect the balls and wish everything back everytime a villian destroys earth

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Alteres
06/23/22 11:53:51 AM
#92:


Guide posted...
There's a universe where I invented an Identical Universe Deleter. Just to keep you on your toes.
Well, you didnt here... so were safe

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Xethuminra
06/23/22 2:57:20 PM
#94:


archedsoul posted...
The probability of at least one heads in a coin flip of a single coin is .50.

.75 for 2 flips.
.875 for 3 flips
.9375 for 4 flips
.96875 for 5 flips
.984375 for 6 flips

You see where that's going? Apply it to any other number over infinity.
Yes, I see how in theory even the most improbable event could happen over infinite time, but I certainly don't see where it has to. We're talking about something so improbable that it would only happen ONCE in ALL of infinity. Come on now. Something could just as easily slip through the cracks. And never happen.
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L_Ratio_Cope
06/23/22 3:03:32 PM
#95:


If there are infinite parallel universes, then quantum immortality exists.

Don't test this theory
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Xethuminra
06/23/22 3:05:18 PM
#96:


L_Ratio_Cope posted...
If there are infinite parallel universes, then quantum immortality exists.

Don't test this theory
Quantum immortality is somewhat illogical. Wouldn't you just have existed in this final universe the whole time? Instead of universe hopping
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archedsoul
06/23/22 3:06:34 PM
#97:


Xethuminra posted...
Yes, I see how in theory even the most improbable event could happen over infinite time, but I certainly don't see where it has to. We're talking about something so improbable that it would only happen ONCE in ALL of infinity. Come on now. Something could just as easily slip through the cracks. And never happen.
Please stop trolling with shit you keep pulling out your ass to somehow negate something so simple. You clearly have a huge misunderstanding of not only infinity, but probabilities.

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Xethuminra
06/23/22 3:07:43 PM
#98:


archedsoul posted...
Please stop trolling with shit you keep pulling out your ass to somehow negate something so simple. You clearly have a huge misunderstanding of not only infinity, but probabilities.
You lose and get upset

That's so sad. Theories are theories.
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Guide
06/23/22 3:07:48 PM
#99:


archedsoul posted...
Please stop trolling with shit you keep pulling out your ass to somehow negate something so simple. You clearly have a huge misunderstanding of not only infinity, but probabilities.

He's wrong, but you don't have to be shitty about it.

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Xethuminra
06/23/22 3:09:02 PM
#100:


Guide posted...
He's wrong, but you don't have to be shitty about it.
I'm not.

I'm touching on the illusion of possibility
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