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Shadow Don 06/21/22 3:50:22 PM #101:	greyfox747 posted... She didnt know where her kid was and did fuck off for two hours. That is literally what happened. That is the basic facts of the case. She assumed she knew where the kid was while actually having no idea, and then went off for two hours. We call this having no idea where your kid is. It is understood that in the literal sense that she did not have an accurate sense of the geolocation of her child. Understood. We agree. I also agree that human beings are not literally omniscient and that fact is also largely agreed upon within the scientific community. This parent had an "idea" of where her kid was. She was not "fucking off" for two hours while also holding onto the knowledge that her child was missing. She simply thought that her child was in the house playing somewhere. If you want to continue pretending that no distinction is being made then you are being intentionally dishonest. Its also weird to describe everyone else as being unhinged while youre the one ITT ranting at everyone and calling them incels greyfox747 posted... I'm not even saying that she should burn for this or that I'm a better person than her Ok so is everyone calling for her to "burn" unhinged? If this parent knew her child was missing and "fucked off" should she be criminally charged? Would that be the same charge as the scenario that I've laid out above wherein she thought he kid was inside the house? --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo <cite>Shadow Don posted [p:965994058] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>greyfox747 posted... </cite> <quote>She didnt know where her kid was and did fuck off for two hours. That is literally what happened. That is the basic facts of the case. She assumed she knew where the kid was while actually having no idea, and then went off for two hours. We call this having no idea where your kid is.</quote> It is understood that in the literal sense that she did not have an accurate sense of the geolocation of her child. Understood. We agree. I also agree that human beings are not literally omniscient and that fact is also largely agreed upon within the scientific community. This parent had an "idea" of where her kid was. She was not "fucking off" for two hours while also holding onto the knowledge that her child was missing. She simply thought that her child was in the house playing somewhere. If you want to continue pretending that no distinction is being made then you are being intentionally dishonest. <quote>Its also weird to describe everyone else as being unhinged while youre the one ITT ranting at everyone and calling them incels</quote> greyfox747 posted... </cite> <quote>I'm not even saying that she should burn for this or that I'm a better person than her</quote> Ok so is everyone calling for her to "burn" unhinged? If this parent knew her child was missing and "fucked off" should she be criminally charged? Would that be the same charge as the scenario that I've laid out above wherein she thought he kid was inside the house? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greyfox747 06/21/22 3:56:31 PM #102:	Shadow Don posted... This parent had an "idea" of where her kid was. looks at topic title Can't say that I agree with that one, champ. --- Officially Certified Gamer Girl in 27 states She/her <cite>greyfox747 posted [p:965994242] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>Shadow Don posted... </cite> <quote> This parent had an "idea" of where her kid was.</quote>looks at topic title Can't say that I agree with that one, champ. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow Don 06/21/22 3:58:01 PM #103:	greyfox747 posted... looks at topic title Can't say that I agree with that one, champ. Hence why I put "idea" in quotation marks champ. Learn to english? --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo <cite>Shadow Don posted [p:965994290] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>greyfox747 posted... </cite> <quote>looks at topic title Can't say that I agree with that one, champ.</quote> Hence why I put "idea" in quotation marks champ. Learn to english? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RenescoStCewl 06/21/22 4:11:36 PM #104:	Shadow Don posted... It is understood that in the literal sense that she did not have an accurate sense of the geolocation of her child. Understood. We agree. I also agree that human beings are not literally omniscient and that fact is also largely agreed upon within the scientific community. This parent had an "idea" of where her kid was. She was not "fucking off" for two hours while also holding onto the knowledge that her child was missing. She simply thought that her child was in the house playing somewhere. If you want to continue pretending that no distinction is being made then you are being intentionally dishonest. Ok so is everyone calling for her to "burn" unhinged? If this parent knew her child was missing and "fucked off" should she be criminally charged? Would that be the same charge as the scenario that I've laid out above wherein she thought he kid was inside the house? Not checking on a 5 year old for 2 or 3 hours is fucking off not "fucking off". No one agrees with you that it's normal to leave 5 year olds alone for hours at a time. --- He/him <cite>RenescoStCewl posted [p:965994690] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>Shadow Don posted... </cite> <quote>It is understood that in the literal sense that she did not have an accurate sense of the geolocation of her child. Understood. We agree. I also agree that human beings are not literally omniscient and that fact is also largely agreed upon within the scientific community. This parent had an "idea" of where her kid was. She was not "fucking off" for two hours while also holding onto the knowledge that her child was missing. She simply thought that her child was in the house playing somewhere. If you want to continue pretending that no distinction is being made then you are being intentionally dishonest. Ok so is everyone calling for her to "burn" unhinged? If this parent knew her child was missing and "fucked off" should she be criminally charged? Would that be the same charge as the scenario that I've laid out above wherein she thought he kid was inside the house?</quote>Not checking on a 5 year old for 2 or 3 hours is fucking off not "fucking off". No one agrees with you that it's normal to leave 5 year olds alone for hours at a time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 06/21/22 4:13:31 PM #105:	Lil_Bit83 posted... Isn't the kid important enough? The argument behind that is that foggyheadedness could make you forget something unless it becomes a routine. It's not a matter of caring for a briefcase or backpack more than you care for your kid, but having it utterly ingrained in your head that you always grab it from the back seat every time and thereby can never make the mistake of accidentally forgetting to leave your kid in the car if dropping your kid off before work isn't an everyday thing. --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:965994727] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>Lil_Bit83 posted... </cite> <quote>Isn't the kid important enough?</quote> The argument behind that is that foggyheadedness could make you forget something unless it becomes a routine. It's not a matter of caring for a briefcase or backpack more than you care for your kid, but having it utterly ingrained in your head that you always grab it from the back seat every time and thereby can never make the mistake of accidentally forgetting to leave your kid in the car if dropping your kid off before work isn't an everyday thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow Don 06/21/22 4:15:37 PM #106:	RenescoStCewl posted... Not checking on a 5 year old for 2 or 3 hours is fucking off not "fucking off". No one agrees with you that it's normal to leave 5 year olds alone for hours at a time. It happens all the time. 5 year olds play in their rooms and nap in their rooms. If you have an 8 year old with them it's even more normal. --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo <cite>Shadow Don posted [p:965994774] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>RenescoStCewl posted... </cite> <quote>Not checking on a 5 year old for 2 or 3 hours is fucking off not "fucking off". No one agrees with you that it's normal to leave 5 year olds alone for hours at a time.</quote> It happens all the time. 5 year olds play in their rooms and nap in their rooms. If you have an 8 year old with them it's even more normal. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RenescoStCewl 06/21/22 4:21:57 PM #107:	Shadow Don posted... It happens all the time. 5 year olds play in their rooms and nap in their rooms. If you have an 8 year old with them it's even more normal. It happens all the time to shitty parents. It takes 5 seconds to go check on your kid. I'm starting to understand why you think it isn't a big deal when this happens. --- He/him <cite>RenescoStCewl posted [p:965994902] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>Shadow Don posted... </cite> <quote>It happens all the time. 5 year olds play in their rooms and nap in their rooms. If you have an 8 year old with them it's even more normal.</quote>It happens all the time to shitty parents. It takes 5 seconds to go check on your kid. I'm starting to understand why you think it isn't a big deal when this happens. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow Don 06/21/22 4:24:29 PM #108:	RenescoStCewl posted... It happens all the time to shitty parents. It takes 5 seconds to go check on your kid. I'm starting to understand why you think it isn't a big deal when this happens. Do you check on your kids every 5 seconds? --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo <cite>Shadow Don posted [p:965994965] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>RenescoStCewl posted... </cite> <quote>It happens all the time to shitty parents. It takes 5 seconds to go check on your kid. I'm starting to understand why you think it isn't a big deal when this happens.</quote> Do you check on your kids every 5 seconds? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Yahtz09 06/21/22 4:25:26 PM #109:	From the article, this sounds like an honest mistake. Its a tragedy and could have been easily avoided, but nothing here indicates foul play. --- Arkansas Razorbacks \|\| Oklahoma City Thunder \|\| Cleveland Sports <cite>The_Yahtz09 posted [p:965994991] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>From the article, this sounds like an honest mistake. Its a tragedy and could have been easily avoided, but nothing here indicates foul play. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 06/21/22 4:27:07 PM #110:	Shadow Don posted... It happens all the time. 5 year olds play in their rooms and nap in their rooms. If you have an 8 year old with them it's even more normal. I agree with this. Its pretty normal for them to be alone for a few hours Especially when they have siblings --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:965995037] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>Shadow Don posted...</cite> <quote>It happens all the time. 5 year olds play in their rooms and nap in their rooms. If you have an 8 year old with them it's even more normal. </quote> I agree with this. Its pretty normal for them to be alone for a few hours Especially when they have siblings</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 06/21/22 4:28:58 PM #111:	Negligence isnt an accident <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:965995083] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>Negligence isnt an accident </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
orangefire25 06/21/22 4:32:29 PM #112:	__aCEr__ posted... It's weird that the sibling forgot, too. I thought of that immediately. --- "My lord, even 'the bud' slips into alcoholism these days." - AlCalavicci <cite>orangefire25 posted [p:965995178] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>__aCEr__ posted... </cite> <quote>It's weird that the sibling forgot, too.</quote>I thought of that immediately. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
twilightking5 06/21/22 5:23:08 PM #113:	Throw her in jail you don't just forget your kid for hours --- 3ds FC: 0989-2338-4719 <cite>twilightking5 posted [p:965996404] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>Throw her in jail you don't just forget your kid for hours </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Oubliettes 06/21/22 5:41:38 PM #114:	some good reading on what i was saying earlier about your brain and how it responds to interrupted routines: https://www.kidsandcars.org/2018/08/21/hot-car-deaths-why-do-parents-still-face-prison-for-a-normal-memory-lapse/ Fourteen years ago, a reporter called Diamond out of the blue asking him to explain how parents can forget their children in the back seat. He remembers saying: You can forget a lot of things in life; you just dont forget a baby in a car. At the time, Diamond was a highly regarded neuroscientist at the University of South Florida, who had spent much of the previous two decades engaged in government-supported research into the effects of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) on the brain and memory. One of his areas of expertise was forgetting, he said; but he was nonplussed by the reporters question, and reacted more as a parent than as a scientist. Nevertheless, he found the question intriguing enough to investigate further, eventually dedicating a large part of his research efforts to studying this phenomenon. One of the biggest obstacles to preventing such tragedies, he believes, is the reluctance of many parents to believe it could happen to them. Because we are in denial that we would ever forget a child, we dont take any measures to remind ourselves, Diamond said. We almost feel like we would be negligent to have to remind ourselves. It comes down to the fragility of our prospective memory system, he explainedthat part of our memory responsible for the things we intend to do in the future, as opposed to retrospective memory (recall of past events). According to Diamond, prospective memory is processed by two brain structures: the hippocampus, which stores all new information; and the prefrontal cortex, which is essential to making plans for the future. Cognitive psychologists Mark McDaniel and Gil Einstein agree that this type of memory is both misunderstood and highly susceptible to failure; and that it can happen to the most loving and attentive parents. An overview of fatal incidents shows that fathers and mothers are equally prone to this kind of lapse. While the facts of each case are different, Diamond, who has interviewed parents and studied police reports, says hes noticed two circumstances that always exist in cases where parents forget their children. First, there is some interruption in the parents usual routinesome deviation, however slight, that overlaps with his or her habitual driving route. Kids are never, and I mean never, in my experience, forgotten when the driver follows a route that always includes taking the child to daycare, he said. Even the act of switching from one lane to another can be enough to activate the habit brain system, Diamond explains, centered around the basal ganglia, which then shuts down the conscious awareness of the child and automatically takes the driver to work instead. --- http://i.imgur.com/ozVGOuh.png <cite>Oubliettes posted [p:965996887] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>some good reading on what i was saying earlier about your brain and how it responds to interrupted routines: https://www.kidsandcars.org/2018/08/21/hot-car-deaths-why-do-parents-still-face-prison-for-a-normal-memory-lapse/ Fourteen years ago, a reporter called Diamond out of the blue asking him to explain how parents can forget their children in the back seat. He remembers saying: You can forget a lot of things in life; you just dont forget a baby in a car. At the time, Diamond was a highly regarded neuroscientist at the University of South Florida, who had spent much of the previous two decades engaged in government-supported research into the effects of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) on the brain and memory. One of his areas of expertise was forgetting, he said; but he was nonplussed by the reporters question, and reacted more as a parent than as a scientist. Nevertheless, he found the question intriguing enough to investigate further, eventually dedicating a large part of his research efforts to studying this phenomenon. One of the biggest obstacles to preventing such tragedies, he believes, is the reluctance of many parents to believe it could happen to them. Because we are in denial that we would ever forget a child, we dont take any measures to remind ourselves, Diamond said. We almost feel like we would be negligent to have to remind ourselves. It comes down to the fragility of our prospective memory system, he explainedthat part of our memory responsible for the things we intend to do in the future, as opposed to retrospective memory (recall of past events). According to Diamond, prospective memory is processed by two brain structures: the hippocampus, which stores all new information; and the prefrontal cortex, which is essential to making plans for the future. Cognitive psychologists Mark McDaniel and Gil Einstein agree that this type of memory is both misunderstood and highly susceptible to failure; and that it can happen to the most loving and attentive parents. An overview of fatal incidents shows that fathers and mothers are equally prone to this kind of lapse. While the facts of each case are different, Diamond, who has interviewed parents and studied police reports, says hes noticed two circumstances that always exist in cases where parents forget their children. First, there is some interruption in the parents usual routinesome deviation, however slight, that overlaps with his or her habitual driving route. Kids are never, and I mean never, in my experience, forgotten when the driver follows a route that always includes taking the child to daycare, he said. Even the act of switching from one lane to another can be enough to activate the habit brain system, Diamond explains, centered around the basal ganglia, which then shuts down the conscious awareness of the child and automatically takes the driver to work instead. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tony1221 06/21/22 6:12:10 PM #115:	RenescoStCewl posted... I'm not going to pretend to understand people who kill their children. It's child neglect I'm sure the parents didn't try to kill the kid. Still terrible parenting and they should serve jail for sure. <cite>tony1221 posted [p:965997588] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>RenescoStCewl posted... </cite> <quote>I'm not going to pretend to understand people who kill their children.</quote>It's child neglect I'm sure the parents didn't try to kill the kid. Still terrible parenting and they should serve jail for sure. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tony1221 06/21/22 6:12:49 PM #116:	Kloe_Rinz posted... Negligence isnt an accident It's not murder either, it's negligence. It's its own thing. Parents should serve jail time but it shouldn't be treated as murder. They are guilty of child neglect <cite>tony1221 posted [p:965997604] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted... </cite> <quote>Negligence isnt an accident</quote>It's not murder either, it's negligence. It's its own thing. Parents should serve jail time but it shouldn't be treated as murder. They are guilty of child neglect </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tony1221 06/21/22 6:17:08 PM #117:	My question is why would a 5 year old not know how to unbuckle himself and open a door? It's not like he was a baby. 5 year olds should be intelligent enough to know hot to exit a car. <cite>tony1221 posted [p:965997690] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>My question is why would a 5 year old not know how to unbuckle himself and open a door? It's not like he was a baby. 5 year olds should be intelligent enough to know hot to exit a car. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hoodroar 06/21/22 6:20:35 PM #118:	Jail time. Always make sure you see your kid enter the home with you. Why does that even need to be stated? tony1221 posted... My question is why would a 5 year old not know how to unbuckle himself and open a door? It's not like he was a baby. 5 year olds should be intelligent enough to know hot to exit a car. I couldn't even unlock a doorknob at that age. lol --- sigless user logic <cite>Hoodroar posted [p:965997752] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>Jail time. Always make sure you see your kid enter the home with you. Why does that even need to be stated? tony1221 posted...</cite> <quote>My question is why would a 5 year old not know how to unbuckle himself and open a door? It's not like he was a baby. 5 year olds should be intelligent enough to know hot to exit a car. </quote> I couldn't even unlock a doorknob at that age. lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cuticrusader09 06/21/22 6:24:32 PM #119:	Shadow Don posted... Do you check on your kids every 5 seconds? The thing is kids arent quiet. There is a certain level of noise you expect when you have kids. Its a background noise and as a parent you notice when its not there. Heck if my 10 and 12 year old werent making noise for a half hour Id know something was wrong. --- AC - Violet on Penny. (N), Rose on Sapphire (S) <cite>Cuticrusader09 posted [p:965997843] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>Shadow Don posted...</cite> <quote> Do you check on your kids every 5 seconds? </quote> The thing is kids arent quiet. There is a certain level of noise you expect when you have kids. Its a background noise and as a parent you notice when its not there. Heck if my 10 and 12 year old werent making noise for a half hour Id know something was wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Thunder 06/21/22 6:40:26 PM #120:	tony1221 posted... My question is why would a 5 year old not know how to unbuckle himself and open a door? It's not like he was a baby. 5 year olds should be intelligent enough to know hot to exit a car. Have you read the topic? It was an unfamiliar car. The kid could've not figured out how to undo it or could've been asleep. --- aka Thunderjay - Jenshin Team: https://i.imgur.com/TtFLzT8.png Resident Synthwave enjoyer. <cite>Blue_Thunder posted [p:965998173] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>tony1221 posted...</cite> <quote>My question is why would a 5 year old not know how to unbuckle himself and open a door? It's not like he was a baby. 5 year olds should be intelligent enough to know hot to exit a car. </quote> Have you read the topic? It was an unfamiliar car. The kid could've not figured out how to undo it or could've been asleep.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Despised 06/21/22 6:41:32 PM #121:	Poor fucking kid, I live in Harris County and it's fucking melting outside I cannot imagine. --- Instagig <cite>Despised posted [p:965998203] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>Poor fucking kid, I live in Harris County and it's fucking melting outside I cannot imagine. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nemu 06/21/22 6:45:18 PM #122:	While it's still disgusting negligence, I can understand how a sleeping baby might be forgotten, but how the hell do you forget a fairly grown child? <cite>Nemu posted [p:965998285] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>While it's still disgusting negligence, I can understand how a sleeping baby might be forgotten, but how the hell do you forget a fairly grown child? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RenescoStCewl 06/21/22 7:08:03 PM #123:	Shadow Don posted... Do you check on your kids every 5 seconds? I didn't say check on them every 5 seconds, I said it takes 5 seconds to check on them. I definitely check that they come inside with me and more than every 3 hours. --- He/him <cite>RenescoStCewl posted [p:965998838] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>Shadow Don posted... </cite> <quote>Do you check on your kids every 5 seconds?</quote>I didn't say check on them every 5 seconds, I said it takes 5 seconds to check on them. I definitely check that they come inside with me and more than every 3 hours. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 06/21/22 7:38:09 PM #124:	Oubliettes posted... some good reading on what i was saying earlier about your brain and how it responds to interrupted routines: https://www.kidsandcars.org/2018/08/21/hot-car-deaths-why-do-parents-still-face-prison-for-a-normal-memory-lapse/ Fourteen years ago, a reporter called Diamond out of the blue asking him to explain how parents can forget their children in the back seat. He remembers saying: You can forget a lot of things in life; you just dont forget a baby in a car. At the time, Diamond was a highly regarded neuroscientist at the University of South Florida, who had spent much of the previous two decades engaged in government-supported research into the effects of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) on the brain and memory. One of his areas of expertise was forgetting, he said; but he was nonplussed by the reporters question, and reacted more as a parent than as a scientist. Nevertheless, he found the question intriguing enough to investigate further, eventually dedicating a large part of his research efforts to studying this phenomenon. One of the biggest obstacles to preventing such tragedies, he believes, is the reluctance of many parents to believe it could happen to them. Because we are in denial that we would ever forget a child, we dont take any measures to remind ourselves, Diamond said. We almost feel like we would be negligent to have to remind ourselves. It comes down to the fragility of our prospective memory system, he explainedthat part of our memory responsible for the things we intend to do in the future, as opposed to retrospective memory (recall of past events). According to Diamond, prospective memory is processed by two brain structures: the hippocampus, which stores all new information; and the prefrontal cortex, which is essential to making plans for the future. Cognitive psychologists Mark McDaniel and Gil Einstein agree that this type of memory is both misunderstood and highly susceptible to failure; and that it can happen to the most loving and attentive parents. An overview of fatal incidents shows that fathers and mothers are equally prone to this kind of lapse. While the facts of each case are different, Diamond, who has interviewed parents and studied police reports, says hes noticed two circumstances that always exist in cases where parents forget their children. First, there is some interruption in the parents usual routinesome deviation, however slight, that overlaps with his or her habitual driving route. Kids are never, and I mean never, in my experience, forgotten when the driver follows a route that always includes taking the child to daycare, he said. Even the act of switching from one lane to another can be enough to activate the habit brain system, Diamond explains, centered around the basal ganglia, which then shuts down the conscious awareness of the child and automatically takes the driver to work instead. Nah the science is wrong --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:965999591] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>Oubliettes posted... </cite> <quote>some good reading on what i was saying earlier about your brain and how it responds to interrupted routines: https://www.kidsandcars.org/2018/08/21/hot-car-deaths-why-do-parents-still-face-prison-for-a-normal-memory-lapse/ Fourteen years ago, a reporter called Diamond out of the blue asking him to explain how parents can forget their children in the back seat. He remembers saying: You can forget a lot of things in life; you just dont forget a baby in a car. At the time, Diamond was a highly regarded neuroscientist at the University of South Florida, who had spent much of the previous two decades engaged in government-supported research into the effects of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) on the brain and memory. One of his areas of expertise was forgetting, he said; but he was nonplussed by the reporters question, and reacted more as a parent than as a scientist. Nevertheless, he found the question intriguing enough to investigate further, eventually dedicating a large part of his research efforts to studying this phenomenon. One of the biggest obstacles to preventing such tragedies, he believes, is the reluctance of many parents to believe it could happen to them. Because we are in denial that we would ever forget a child, we dont take any measures to remind ourselves, Diamond said. We almost feel like we would be negligent to have to remind ourselves. It comes down to the fragility of our prospective memory system, he explainedthat part of our memory responsible for the things we intend to do in the future, as opposed to retrospective memory (recall of past events). According to Diamond, prospective memory is processed by two brain structures: the hippocampus, which stores all new information; and the prefrontal cortex, which is essential to making plans for the future. Cognitive psychologists Mark McDaniel and Gil Einstein agree that this type of memory is both misunderstood and highly susceptible to failure; and that it can happen to the most loving and attentive parents. An overview of fatal incidents shows that fathers and mothers are equally prone to this kind of lapse. While the facts of each case are different, Diamond, who has interviewed parents and studied police reports, says hes noticed two circumstances that always exist in cases where parents forget their children. First, there is some interruption in the parents usual routinesome deviation, however slight, that overlaps with his or her habitual driving route. Kids are never, and I mean never, in my experience, forgotten when the driver follows a route that always includes taking the child to daycare, he said. Even the act of switching from one lane to another can be enough to activate the habit brain system, Diamond explains, centered around the basal ganglia, which then shuts down the conscious awareness of the child and automatically takes the driver to work instead.</quote>Nah the science is wrong </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cocytus 06/21/22 8:58:14 PM #125:	Shadow Don posted... It could literally be as simple as the kid noticed that nobody saw him and decided to play a game of hide and seek. Then passed out in a matter of minutes. Oh man, that would be fucked up but sounds like a plausible scenario. <cite>Cocytus posted [p:966001464] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>Shadow Don posted... </cite> <quote>It could literally be as simple as the kid noticed that nobody saw him and decided to play a game of hide and seek. Then passed out in a matter of minutes.</quote>Oh man, that would be fucked up but sounds like a plausible scenario. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tom_Joad 06/21/22 9:18:26 PM #126:	How can a 5-year old not be able to get out of a child-seat and out of a car? I had to discipline my own at that age because he kept unbuckling the seat and trying to jump out of the car as I was parking it. He thought it was 'cool' because he'd seen some old cop shows that had the characters leaping out of the passenger seat before it fully stopped. --- The only thing I can think of is that the kid was taking a nap and then never woke up. --- "History shows again and again that nature points out the folly of man. Go go Godzilla!" Godzilla - Blue Oyster Cult <cite>Tom_Joad posted [p:966001994] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>How can a 5-year old not be able to get out of a child-seat and out of a car? I had to discipline my own at that age because he kept unbuckling the seat and trying to jump out of the car as I was parking it. He thought it was 'cool' because he'd seen some old cop shows that had the characters leaping out of the passenger seat before it fully stopped. --- The only thing I can think of is that the kid was taking a nap and then never woke up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
deoxxys 06/21/22 10:25:27 PM #127:	I think the only plausible explanation for why the kid stayed in the car is that they fell asleep. If they couldnt figure out the new car, it seems obvious that they would have cried out for mom to help them out when they parked. As for 'Negligence', I think Shadowdon's explanation of "mom probably just thought they were playing in their room" seems completely understandable. When you hear about something like this, the first thing you want to do is also join the angry mob, and believe me, I did at first. Though as I read through the whole topic, I became somewhat sympathetic for the mom. It seems like it was a genuine accident and the woman was already probably bawling her eyes out and will continue to do so for months. Last thing her other children need is to have no mom and have her go to prison. --- twylite sprinkle http://tinyurl.com/jeqyas3 https://tinyurl.com/mgvx7h2 <cite>deoxxys posted [p:966003594] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>I think the only plausible explanation for why the kid stayed in the car is that they fell asleep. If they couldnt figure out the new car, it seems obvious that they would have cried out for mom to help them out when they parked. As for 'Negligence', I think Shadowdon's explanation of "mom probably just thought they were playing in their room" seems completely understandable. When you hear about something like this, the first thing you want to do is also join the angry mob, and believe me, I did at first. Though as I read through the whole topic, I became somewhat sympathetic for the mom. It seems like it was a genuine accident and the woman was already probably bawling her eyes out and will continue to do so for months. Last thing her other children need is to have no mom and have her go to prison. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoctorPiranha3 06/21/22 10:35:32 PM #128:	Negligent homicide is a real and legit thing. Lock her up. <cite>DoctorPiranha3 posted [p:966003788] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>Negligent homicide is a real and legit thing. Lock her up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TetsuoS2 06/21/22 10:41:23 PM #129:	"accidentally" "several hours" --- Lurker by trade just an idiot passing through <cite>TetsuoS2 posted [p:966003910] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>"accidentally" "several hours" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scorpion41 06/21/22 10:42:55 PM #130:	You forget a kid and you only have two? Straight up bullshit. --- PSN: scorpion_4160 Currently Playing: NCAA 14(PS3) <cite>scorpion41 posted [p:966003941] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>You forget a kid and you only have two? Straight up bullshit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 06/21/22 10:47:33 PM #131:	__aCEr__ posted... It's weird that the sibling forgot, too. I was actually thinking about that too <cite>Zikten posted [p:966004044] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>__aCEr__ posted...</cite> <quote>It's weird that the sibling forgot, too. </quote> I was actually thinking about that too</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dat_Cracka_Jax 06/21/22 10:48:15 PM #132:	RenescoStCewl posted... I didn't say check on them every 5 seconds, I said it takes 5 seconds to check on them. I definitely check that they come inside with me and more than every 3 hours. That dude is a lost cause --- http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/8131/flame201010170949481638.jpg http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/5517/cateyes.gif Rams: 7-9 <cite>Dat_Cracka_Jax posted [p:966004055] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>RenescoStCewl posted... </cite> <quote>I didn't say check on them every 5 seconds, I said it takes 5 seconds to check on them. I definitely check that they come inside with me and more than every 3 hours.</quote>That dude is a lost cause </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TetsuoS2 06/21/22 10:57:39 PM #133:	Zikten posted... I was actually thinking about that too tbf some kids are really airheaded at that age. --- Lurker by trade just an idiot passing through <cite>TetsuoS2 posted [p:966004238] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>I was actually thinking about that too</quote> tbf some kids are really airheaded at that age. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 06/21/22 11:23:49 PM #134:	tony1221 posted... It's not murder either, it's negligence. It's its own thing. Parents should serve jail time but it shouldn't be treated as murder. They are guilty of child neglect In fine with it having its own category but what Im saying is the punishment needs to be very similar or even worse than what a murderer would get. And should never be referred to as an accident. An accident is leaving for work but you forgot your phone. <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:966004762] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>tony1221 posted... </cite> <quote>It's not murder either, it's negligence. It's its own thing. Parents should serve jail time but it shouldn't be treated as murder. They are guilty of child neglect</quote>In fine with it having its own category but what Im saying is the punishment needs to be very similar or even worse than what a murderer would get. And should never be referred to as an accident. An accident is leaving for work but you forgot your phone. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Yahtz09 06/22/22 12:44:58 AM #135:	Hoodroar posted... I couldn't even unlock a doorknob at that age. lol Wow, you were a stupid fuckin kid. Not sure I would be braggin about it. --- Arkansas Razorbacks \|\| Oklahoma City Thunder \|\| Cleveland Sports <cite>The_Yahtz09 posted [p:966006084] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>Hoodroar posted... </cite> <quote>I couldn't even unlock a doorknob at that age. lol</quote>Wow, you were a stupid fuckin kid. Not sure I would be braggin about it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 06/22/22 2:25:26 AM #136:	Kloe_Rinz posted... but what Im saying is the punishment needs to be very similar or even worse than what a murderer would get. There is no reason that they should get worse than a person who murdered someone on purpose would get. Thats is an absolute asinine take --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:966007339] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted...</cite> <quote>but what Im saying is the punishment needs to be very similar or even worse than what a murderer would get.</quote> There is no reason that they should get worse than a person who murdered someone on purpose would get. Thats is an absolute asinine take</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Creep_2020 06/22/22 2:39:49 AM #137:	Ok, speaking as a parent, how the fuck do you not notice youve left your five year old in a car for two to three hours? Youre either such a bad parent you shouldnt have kids, dangerously stupid or both. --- You will find me if you want me in the garden Unless it's pouring down with rain <cite>The_Creep_2020 posted [p:966007534] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>Ok, speaking as a parent, how the fuck do you not notice youve left your five year old in a car for two to three hours? Youre either such a bad parent you shouldnt have kids, dangerously stupid or both. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Creep_2020 06/22/22 2:41:17 AM #138:	TetsuoS2 posted... "accidentally" "several hours" Either drugs were involved, or Im guessing they were left in the car on purpose as a punishment or some fucked up shit like that. --- You will find me if you want me in the garden Unless it's pouring down with rain <cite>The_Creep_2020 posted [p:966007550] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>TetsuoS2 posted... </cite> <quote>"accidentally" "several hours"</quote>Either drugs were involved, or Im guessing they were left in the car on purpose as a punishment or some fucked up shit like that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 06/22/22 3:42:01 AM #139:	LinkPizza posted... There is no reason that they should get worse than a person who murdered someone on purpose would get. Thats is an absolute asinine take Because of the child suffering involved <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:966008101] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>There is no reason that they should get worse than a person who murdered someone on purpose would get. Thats is an absolute asinine take</quote>Because of the child suffering involved </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 06/22/22 3:43:00 AM #140:	Kloe_Rinz posted... Because of the child suffering involved And? I still dont see how that should get them more than a murderer who was actually aiming to kill someone --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:966008109] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted...</cite> <quote>Because of the child suffering involved </quote> And? I still dont see how that should get them more than a murderer who was actually aiming to kill someone</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 06/22/22 3:45:20 AM #141:	LinkPizza posted... And? I still dont see how that should get them more than a murderer who was actually aiming to kill someone Im not trying to convince you or anything so I dont understand your post <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:966008133] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>And? I still dont see how that should get them more than a murderer who was actually aiming to kill someone</quote>Im not trying to convince you or anything so I dont understand your post </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 06/22/22 3:51:30 AM #142:	Kloe_Rinz posted... Im not trying to convince you or anything so I dont understand your post All I'm saying is that thinking that someone who negligence causes in death should get more time than actual murders is a really bad take... And makes no sense at all... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:966008191] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted...</cite> <quote>Im not trying to convince you or anything so I dont understand your post </quote> All I'm saying is that thinking that someone who negligence causes in death should get more time than actual murders is a really bad take... And makes no sense at all...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 06/22/22 3:53:04 AM #143:	LinkPizza posted... All I'm saying is that thinking that someone who negligence causes in death should get more time than actual murders is a really bad take... And makes no sense at all... You havent justified how its a bad take. Thats just your opinion <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:966008209] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>All I'm saying is that thinking that someone who negligence causes in death should get more time than actual murders is a really bad take... And makes no sense at all...</quote>You havent justified how its a bad take. Thats just your opinion </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 06/22/22 3:56:25 AM #144:	Kloe_Rinz posted... You havent justified how its a bad take. Thats just your opinion Because actual murderers are trying to kill people... That's much worse than negligence. For negligence, it's not purposeful. It's usually accidental... A purposeful killing is much worse because you aim to take a life... You basically saying someone that goes to stab a child is better than someone who had a horrible brain fart... It's an asinine take to think they should get more time than a murderer... I don't see how any reasonable person could think otherwise... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:966008234] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted...</cite> <quote>You havent justified how its a bad take. Thats just your opinion </quote> Because actual murderers are trying to kill people... That's much worse than negligence. For negligence, it's not purposeful. It's usually accidental... A purposeful killing is much worse because you aim to take a life... You basically saying someone that goes to stab a child is better than someone who had a horrible brain fart... It's an asinine take to think they should get more time than a murderer... I don't see how any reasonable person could think otherwise...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 06/22/22 4:11:28 AM #145:	LinkPizza posted... Because actual murderers are trying to kill people... Alright... so? It's about the suffering of the victim. You say it's worse than negligence but refuse to elaborate. <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:966008350] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Because actual murderers are trying to kill people...</quote>Alright... so? It's about the suffering of the victim. You say it's worse than negligence but refuse to elaborate. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 06/22/22 4:21:35 AM #146:	Kloe_Rinz posted... Alright... so? It's about the suffering of the victim. You say it's worse than negligence but refuse to elaborate. Is it not elaborated enough for you? Murderers can cause suffering, too Not only that, but we have no idea if the child even suffered before death. He could have passed out from the heat before death. Or could have already been asleep on his own before it happened Youre only assuming suffering And also assuming that murderers dont cause suffering And even I the case of suffering, that shouldnt just instantly make it worse than someone who PLANNED TO TAKE A LIFE, over someone who accidentally caused a death --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:966008442] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted...</cite> <quote>Alright... so? It's about the suffering of the victim. You say it's worse than negligence but refuse to elaborate. </quote> Is it not elaborated enough for you? Murderers can cause suffering, too Not only that, but we have no idea if the child even suffered before death. He could have passed out from the heat before death. Or could have already been asleep on his own before it happened Youre only assuming suffering And also assuming that murderers dont cause suffering And even I the case of suffering, that shouldnt just instantly make it worse than someone who PLANNED TO TAKE A LIFE, over someone who accidentally caused a death</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gmanthebest 06/22/22 4:25:36 AM #147:	Throw the book at her. No excuse for that kind of neglect --- A real man oughta be a little stupid. Ryuji Goda, Yakuza 2 <cite>gmanthebest posted [p:966008479] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>Throw the book at her. No excuse for that kind of neglect </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 06/22/22 4:31:10 AM #148:	Smashingpmkns posted... https://www.sheknows.com/parenting/articles/2574177/left-baby-in-hot-car/ It's very easy to do apparently /s She keeps using the word responsible. Clearly it means something different to her than everyone else. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:966008517] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted... </cite> <quote>https://www.sheknows.com/parenting/articles/2574177/left-baby-in-hot-car/ It's very easy to do apparently /s</quote>She keeps using the word responsible. Clearly it means something different to her than everyone else. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 06/22/22 4:37:03 AM #149:	Oubliettes posted... Do you typically remember your drive to work? Yes, it's called paying attention. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:966008567] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>Oubliettes posted... </cite> <quote>Do you typically remember your drive to work?</quote>Yes, it's called paying attention. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 06/22/22 4:39:14 AM #150:	dave_is_slick posted... Yes, it's called paying attention. Most people dont, IIRC And its not just because they arent paying attention Its just a thing that happens. If nothing special happened, people usually dont remember Theyve done some studies on this, J believe Ive seen videos that talk about and explain it. They even talked about it on a podcast I listened to If you remember your drive to work everyday like that, then you are probably in the minority --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:966008588] in 5-year-old... [t:80065612]...</cite> <quote>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, it's called paying attention.</quote> Most people dont, IIRC And its not just because they arent paying attention Its just a thing that happens. If nothing special happened, people usually dont remember Theyve done some studies on this, J believe Ive seen videos that talk about and explain it. They even talked about it on a podcast I listened to If you remember your drive to work everyday like that, then you are probably in the minority</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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