Current Events > Republicans fight for the working class better than the Democrats

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The gop can eat shit

g0ldie posted...

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The point is actions speak louder than words and only idiots believe the GOP cares about the working class

I thought it was something about how Democrats are ineffectual in helping the working class due to the GOP working against them, but I was wondering what TC meant

You're kidding yourself if you think either party actually cares.

Trumble posted...

You're kidding yourself if you think either party actually cares.

You could start a vanguard party and fill it with artists... But yeah there is no working class party.

Its one of the more interesting political shifts that have happened. The dems lost the blue collar working class. I blame it on them being inept and elitist (not that the GOP isnt elitist) and caring more about bathroom signs and canceling people than things that actually help people live better lives. Somehow the anti-union party that runs in giving corporations tax breaks instead of people has won over the same people that they seek to hurt.

You just don't get it, the money is gonna start trickling down any day now

whitelytning posted...

Its one of the more interesting political shifts that have happened. The dems lost the blue collar working class. I blame it on them being inept and elitist (not that the GOP isnt elitist) and caring more about bathroom signs and canceling people than things that actually help people live better lives. Somehow the anti-union party that runs in giving corporations tax breaks instead of people has won over the same people that they seek to hurt.

I see the point you're making but it's worth pointing out also that there's a strong and prevalent force that is actively seeking to take away LGBTQ rights and women's body autonomy, so maybe framing it as "bathroom signs" is not totally accurate.

I mean maybe the left has a point about all these microaggressions, because we've fully progressed to macro aggressions now, with "don't say gay" legislation actually hitting.

i still don't get why poor people vote for Republicans

Lmfao at $28 million for the baby formula shortage. Who legitimately thinks that would fix the issues and wasn't just a face-saving move?

SK8T3R215 posted...

Lmfao at $28 million for the baby formula shortage. Who legitimately thinks that would fix the issues and wasn't just a face-saving move?

even if it only helps a little, it's helping someone. what counter proposal did the republicans offer to help the baby formula shortage?

SK8T3R215 posted...

Lmfao at $28 million for the baby formula shortage. Who legitimately thinks that would fix the issues and wasn't just a face-saving move?

With the problem being a single manufacturer shutting a plant down, $28 million sounds like plenty.

They're certainly better at spreading messaging/narrative via their base.

"The Righteous Mind" was one of the best books I ever read on helping me understand why people vote Republican against their personal interests.

Ajiri posted...

i still don't get why poor people vote for Republicans

What I dont get is the people who dont vote Democrat cause they dont do enough. And instead let the Republicans win, the party that actively makes our lives worse.

LightHawKnight posted...

What I dont get is the people who dont vote Democrat cause they dont do enough. And instead let the Republicans win, the party that actively makes our lives worse.

"If we let Republicans ruin everything, it will pave the way for progressives to fix things!"

Or something dumb like that.

KnightofShikari posted...

even if it only helps a little, it's helping someone. what counter proposal did the republicans offer to help the baby formula shortage?

Its $28 million for the FDA to basically hire more staff, that doesn't address the immediate issues of families not having access to formula. The FDA has a $4 billion budget, giving them another $28 million so they can spend a few months hiring, training and then sending out inspectors doesn't help people struggling with the issue now.

CableZL posted...

With the problem being a single manufacturer shutting a plant down, $28 million sounds like plenty.

That manufacturer has 40%+ of the market, and that factory produces about 20% of all formula for the US.

How does $28 million to hire some more inspectors (when the facility was already inspected and in the process of having issues remedied btw) help families who needed access to formula ASAP?

SK8T3R215 posted...

hat manufacturer has 40%+ of the market, and that factory produces about 20% of all formula for the US.

How does $28 million to hire some more inspectors (when the facility was already inspected and in the process of having issues remedied btw) help families who needed access to formula ASAP?

What makes you think the $28 million is just to "hire some more inspectors" or "hire more staff?" Gonna need a source on that.

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unless it's the working class that wants to marginalize them

then it's standing up to the working class because they are not at the absolute bottom of all power structures

SK8T3R215 posted...

How does $28 million to hire some more inspectors (when the facility was already inspected and in the process of having issues remedied btw) help families who needed access to formula ASAP?

sorry are you suggesting that the facility's changes should be allowed to go into effect with zero oversight and we should just trust that they fixed all the problems because they said so?

normally in industry when a supplier makes a bad product and has to redo their production line process, whoever's buying from them has some boots on the ground overseeing it, who inevitably find other problems

you seem to be shifting between "it's too much" and "it's not enough" while also saying "just give your kids formula that might harm them"

whitelytning posted...

I blame it on them being inept and elitist (not that the GOP isnt elitist) and caring more about bathroom signs and canceling people than things that actually help people live better lives.

Why do you think Democrats (you means voters? Elected members? Politicians?) care more about cancellations than material policies to help people? What's that based on?

CableZL posted...

What makes you think the $28 million is just to "hire some more inspectors" or "hire more staff?" Gonna need a source on that.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/7790/text

Here's the bill. It gives the FDA $28 million for "salaries and expenses". It doesn't get more formula on shelves, it gives the FDA some money with no clear intentions. It's 3 pages and that's all it calls for. Here's $28 million, we tried!

For an additional amount for Salaries and Expenses, $28,000,000, to remain available until September 30, 2023, shall be available to address the current shortage of FDA-regulated infant formula and certain medical foods in the United States and to prevent future shortages, including such steps as may be necessary to prevent fraudulent products from entering the United States market.

Thats why you should read past the title of bills.

xXfireglzXx posted...

They're certainly better at spreading messaging/narrative via their base.

"The Righteous Mind" was one of the best books I ever read on helping me understand why people vote Republican against their personal interests

It's very easy to get people to vote against their material interests. One thing we should all understand is that above a certain point, people will absolutely vote against material interests, in favor of personal and cultural interests.
It's not really that weird of a thing

Sackgurl posted...

sorry are you suggesting that the facility's changes should be allowed to go into effect with zero oversight and we should just trust that they fixed all the problems because they said so?

normally in industry when a supplier makes a bad product and has to redo their production line process, whoever's buying from them has some boots on the ground overseeing it, who inevitably find other problems

you seem to be shifting between "it's too much" and "it's not enough" while also saying "just give your kids formula that might harm them"

The FDA has inspectors and has been inspecting that site since they had it closed. Are you insinuating that without this bill the FDA has nobody to actually inspect the facility...? They have a $4 billion+ budget that was increased by over $100M last year. Giving them more money to hire inspectors doesn't address the immediate issues.

SK8T3R215 posted...

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/7790/text

Here's the bill. It gives the FDA $28 million for "salaries and expenses". It doesn't get more formula on shelves, it gives the FDA some money with no clear intentions. It's 3 pages and that's all it calls for. Here's $28 million, we tried!

For an additional amount for Salaries and Expenses, $28,000,000, to remain available until September 30, 2023, shall be available to address the current shortage of FDA-regulated infant formula and certain medical foods in the United States and to prevent future shortages, including such steps as may be necessary to prevent fraudulent products from entering the United States market.

Thats why you should read past the title of bills.

And where in the text of the bill does it say that the bill is only "for the FDA to hire more staff" and/or "to hire more inspectors?" The text of the bill is much more broad. You should probably actually read what you posted instead of lying.

Please let us know exactly how this bill limits expenses to "only hiring more staff/inspectors."

I would agree with you if it only said "$28 million for salaries and expenses related to travel, lodging, and meals for FDA employees," or something along those lines. Simply saying "expenses" makes it much more broad and I think you're intelligent enough to understand that.

CableZL posted...

And where in the text of the bill does it say that the bill is only "for the FDA to hire more staff" and/or "to hire more inspectors?" The text of the bill is much more broad. You should probably actually read what you posted instead of lying.

Please let us know exactly how this bill limits expenses to "only hiring more staff/inspectors."

How does giving the FDA funds for its "salaries and expenses" help families get access to baby formula ASAP? What does the bill specify the funds will be used for to help the shortage?

You're really trying hard to defend this bill you never read until now. Families needed access to formula immediately, this bill didn't address that.

Trumble posted...

You're kidding yourself if you think either party actually cares.

this lol

SK8T3R215 posted...

The FDA has inspectors and has been inspecting that site since they had it closed. Are you insinuating that without this bill the FDA has nobody to actually inspect the facility...? They have a $4 billion+ budget that was increased by over $100M last year. Giving them more money to hire inspectors doesn't address the immediate issues.

You do know the "immediate issue" is flooding at the facility, right? You can't just snap your fingers and fix that.

A major problem is that to Democrats, the only way to show you care about something is to spend money on it, hence runaway inflation. Many of the problems we're seeing today are because there is no government accountability for failing to execute current responsibilities

SK8T3R215 posted...

How does giving the FDA funds for its "salaries and expenses" help families get access to baby formula ASAP? What does the bill specify the funds will be used for to help the shortage?

You're really trying hard to defend this bill you never read until now. Families needed access to formula immediately, this bill didn't address that.

LOL, you're blatantly dodging the question.

You claimed that the bill is "only for the FDA to hire staff/inspectors."

You then posted the bill and specifically referenced the "salaries and expenses" mentioned in the text.

Again: How does the text of the bill, "salaries and expenses," limit the $28,000,000 to "hiring FDA staff/inspectors?"

Seems like it would be easy enough for you to answer. Apparently not. You can't even properly support your own claims. It's a simple question. Answer it.

Magyar15 posted...

A major problem is that to Democrats, the only way to show you care about something is to spend money on it, hence runaway inflation. Many of the problems we're seeing today are because there is no government accountability for failing to execute current responsibilities

Do we have an example of Republicans not being guilty of "showing they care about things by spending money on it?" I'm pretty sure every Republican in recent history has increased spending and the deficit, while we have at least a few examples of Democratic administrations reducing the deficit.

bluezero posted...

You do know the "immediate issue" is flooding at the facility, right? You can't just snap your fingers and fix that.

I don't think he knows that. He's just throwing out claims that he can't even support properly.

Trumble posted...

You're kidding yourself if you think either party actually cares.

yep

its cute how they mock this idea too. These two parties get together, drink, do coke and laugh their asses off together at all of.

CableZL posted...

Do we have an example of Republicans not being guilty of "showing they care about things by spending money on it?" I'm pretty sure every Republican in recent history has increased spending and the deficit, while we have at least a few examples of Democratic administrations reducing the deficit.

You're welcome to provide examples if you can find them; I have plenty of beef with the Republican Pary as well but most of this website has plenty to say about their disfunction; that being said, you're asking me to prove a negative which I'm not really interested in. A better example more in the spirit of what I was saying is the tendency to slash onerous regulations when Republicans go into office.

Magyar15 posted...

You're welcome to provide examples if you can find them; I have plenty of beef with the Republican Pary as well but most of this website has plenty to say about their disfuntion; that being said, you're asking me to prove a negative which I'm not really interested in. A better example more in the spirit of what I was saying is the tendency to slash onerous regulations when Republicans go into office.

https://datalab.usaspending.gov/americas-finance-guide/deficit/trends/

US budget deficit by year since 2001.

CableZL posted...

https://datalab.usaspending.gov/americas-finance-guide/deficit/trends/

US budget deficit by year since 2001.

I'm not talking about the deficit. That's a separate topic

Magyar15 posted...

A major problem is that to Democrats, the only way to show you care about something is to spend money on it, hence runaway inflation. Many of the problems we're seeing today are because there is no government accountability for failing to execute current responsibilities

This is a weird way to blame trickle down economics on democrats

OudeGeuze posted...

This is a weird way to blame trickle down economics on democrats

What the heck are you talking about?

stillwinninggam posted...

yep

its cute how they mock this idea too. These two parties get together, drink, do coke and laugh their asses off together at all of.

I don't see how people can try to equate the two parties together.

Do Democrats do lots of stupid and selfish shit? Hell yes. Are they in any way equal to what the Republicans do? Hell no.

Maybe you're not trying to equate them, but it sure sounds like it

Idk everyone is saying stupid shit so I wanted to join back in

SK8T3R215 posted...

The FDA has inspectors and has been inspecting that site since they had it closed. Are you insinuating that without this bill the FDA has nobody to actually inspect the facility...? They have a $4 billion+ budget that was increased by over $100M last year. Giving them more money to hire inspectors doesn't address the immediate issues.

But it could possibly prevent the issues from happening again.

For the price of, like, 8 bullets in the military budget, we could've potentially prevented another factory shut down in the future.

Does it get formula on the shelves TODAY? Maybe not. Does it prevent potentially harmful formula to go on the shelves via factories opening back up without properly being re-inspected? Yes.

And all this doesn't address Republicans voting down the other 3 bills.

SK8T3R215 posted...

Lmfao at $28 million for the baby formula shortage. Who legitimately thinks that would fix the issues and wasn't just a face-saving move?

it would have been better than the $0 that got approved

The Republican Party should be abolished, and simping for it should be generally seen as being in bad taste and moddable on most public forums.

Magyar15 posted...

I'm not talking about the deficit. That's a separate topic

You're talking about spending. Spending and revenue are the factors of the deficit. There's spending recklessly, and there's spending responsibly. We're inevitably going to have to spend money on things. I wouldn't say either Democrats or Republicans would fit into the category of "responsible spending," but in recent history, Republicans have spent so much money that it drastically increased our deficit.

Republicans "slashing onerous regulations" has not helped them reduce spending in the slightest. Not to mention the fact that by May of 2019, Trump had spent $100,000,000 in tax payer dollars at his own resorts.

emblem boy posted...

Maybe you're not trying to equate them, but it sure sounds like it

It's a throwaway account. They are 100% trying to equate them.