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BuIIyMaguire 06/06/22 9:59:51 PM #1:	Which do you think is better? Sonic Adventure 2 Sonic Frontiers Which do you think is better? - Results (18 votes) Sonic Adventure 2 94.44% (17 votes) 17 Sonic Frontiers 5.56% (1 vote) 1 https://twitter.com/daveluty/status/1532076109998608385 --- I missed the part where that's my problem. <cite>BuIIyMaguire posted [p:965603063] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote> Which do you think is better? Sonic Adventure 2 Sonic Frontiers Vote View Results Which do you think is better? - Results (18 votes) Sonic Adventure 2 94.44% (17 votes) 17 Sonic Frontiers 5.56% (1 vote) 1 Show Voting Form function poll_vote() { var vote_option = $("input[name='poll_vote']:checked").val(); if(!vote_option) return; $.ajax({ type: 'POST', url: '/ajax/forum_poll_vote', data: { option: vote_option, board: '400', topic: '80047840', message: '0', key: '2cc45bb8' }, success: function(response) { if(response.error) { alert(response.error); } else { $("#poll_vote").hide(); $("#poll_results").html(response.html).show(); } } }); } function view_results_legacy() { $("#poll_vote").hide(); $("#poll_results").show(); } function hide_results_legacy() { $("#poll_results").hide(); $("#poll_vote").show(); } https://twitter.com/daveluty/status/1532076109998608385 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BuIIyMaguire 06/06/22 10:36:43 PM #2:	Yes --- I missed the part where that's my problem. <cite>BuIIyMaguire posted [p:965604112] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>Yes </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElatedVenusaur 06/06/22 10:40:18 PM #3:	Oof. --- I'm Queen of Tomorrow baby! Remember: heat from fire, fire from heat! She/her <cite>ElatedVenusaur posted [p:965604187] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>Oof. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shishiwakamaru 06/06/22 10:40:35 PM #4:	The grinding in SA2 is pretty underrated --- You've got to tell me. Why don't you just tell me? <cite>Shishiwakamaru posted [p:965604195] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>The grinding in SA2 is pretty underrated </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hambo the Hog 06/06/22 10:42:48 PM #5:	SA2. Although I don't necessarily believe that rails having artificial momentum is bad design. I think rails just moving you along on their own can be used well, even in an open world game where you often see a greater focus on physics. But I'm not a fan of what I've seen of Frontiers' physics so far. Looks too Boosty for me. --- I'm sorry, but 10,000 of ANYTHING on a PS2 would absolutely destroy your framerate. It'd be like playing chess through the mail. ~johnboy1 <cite>Hambo the Hog posted [p:965604257] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>SA2. Although I don't necessarily believe that rails having artificial momentum is bad design. I think rails just moving you along on their own can be used well, even in an open world game where you often see a greater focus on physics. But I'm not a fan of what I've seen of Frontiers' physics so far. Looks too Boosty for me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rioushu 06/06/22 10:44:09 PM #6:	I knew the answer before clicking on the topic --- engligh <cite>Rioushu posted [p:965604285] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>I knew the answer before clicking on the topic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim_Seong-a 06/06/22 10:44:54 PM #7:	Have rails ever been physics-based in the post-adventure titles? I feel like this is just fishing for things to shit on. <_< --- Lusa Cfaad Taydr <cite>Kim_Seong-a posted [p:965604297] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>Have rails ever been physics-based in the post-adventure titles? I feel like this is just fishing for things to shit on. <_< </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PatrickMahomes 06/06/22 10:44:58 PM #8:	Shishiwakamaru posted... SA2 is pretty underrated --- https://i.imgur.com/cEQy3f4.png / https://i.imgur.com/gWKaLHC.png https://i.imgur.com/u6JR7qX.jpeg <cite>PatrickMahomes posted [p:965604299] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>Shishiwakamaru posted... </cite> <quote>SA2 is pretty underrated</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mixing 06/06/22 10:47:50 PM #9:	SA2 is overrated by Sonic fans. The Sonic/Shadow levels are alright for 2001 but the rest of the game has always been trash <cite>Mixing posted [p:965604361] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>SA2 is overrated by Sonic fans. The Sonic/Shadow levels are alright for 2001 but the rest of the game has always been trash </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hambo the Hog 06/06/22 10:48:07 PM #10:	Kim_Seong-a posted... Have rails ever been physics-based in the post-adventure titles? I feel like this is just fishing for things to shit on. <_< I don't think they have been physics based outside of Adventure 2 specifically and kind of Heroes. And I think you're right about this topic too. But Adventure 2's hedgehog stages really did feel nice in terms of physics and it woulda been nice to return to that. --- I'm sorry, but 10,000 of ANYTHING on a PS2 would absolutely destroy your framerate. It'd be like playing chess through the mail. ~johnboy1 <cite>Hambo the Hog posted [p:965604364] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>Kim_Seong-a posted... </cite> <quote>Have rails ever been physics-based in the post-adventure titles? I feel like this is just fishing for things to shit on. <_<</quote>I don't think they have been physics based outside of Adventure 2 specifically and kind of Heroes. And I think you're right about this topic too. But Adventure 2's hedgehog stages really did feel nice in terms of physics and it woulda been nice to return to that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim_Seong-a 06/06/22 10:50:10 PM #11:	Mixing posted... SA2 is overrated by Sonic fans. The Sonic/Shadow levels are alright for 2001 but the rest of the game has always been trash The mech stages are fun pew-pew arcadey stuff and the treasure hunting stages not called Mad Space or Egg Chamber are fun if you're not stressed about rank. Hambo the Hog posted... I don't think they have been physics based outside of Adventure 2 specifically and kind of Heroes. And I think you're right about this topic too. But Adventure 2's hedgehog stages really did feel nice in terms of physics and it woulda been nice to return to that. Oh I agree, I loved SA2's physics and the Dreamcast/Gamecube era is my favorite of Sonic's 3D outings. I just don't think that them doing something different means it'll be bad, especially since automated rails were a thing even in the games most sonic fans agree were good, like Generations. <_< --- Lusa Cfaad Taydr <cite>Kim_Seong-a posted [p:965604409] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>Mixing posted... </cite> <quote>SA2 is overrated by Sonic fans. The Sonic/Shadow levels are alright for 2001 but the rest of the game has always been trash</quote> The mech stages are fun pew-pew arcadey stuff and the treasure hunting stages not called Mad Space or Egg Chamber are fun if you're not stressed about rank. <quote>Hambo the Hog posted... </cite>I don't think they have been physics based outside of Adventure 2 specifically and kind of Heroes. And I think you're right about this topic too. But Adventure 2's hedgehog stages really did feel nice in terms of physics and it woulda been nice to return to that.</quote> Oh I agree, I loved SA2's physics and the Dreamcast/Gamecube era is my favorite of Sonic's 3D outings. I just don't think that them doing something different means it'll be bad, especially since automated rails were a thing even in the games most sonic fans agree were good, like Generations. <_< </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mixing 06/06/22 10:55:08 PM #12:	The shooting and treasure hunting levels sucked. The ones from SA1 were better. <cite>Mixing posted [p:965604514] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>The shooting and treasure hunting levels sucked. The ones from SA1 were better. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim_Seong-a 06/06/22 11:00:39 PM #13:	Mixing posted... The ones from SA1 were better. Gamma's entire campaign can be beaten in like, 5 minutes. The only good part is the giant mech fight on the Egg Carrier. But Gamma's story hits hard in the feefees so it gets a pass. <_< --- Lusa Cfaad Taydr <cite>Kim_Seong-a posted [p:965604630] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>Mixing posted... </cite> <quote>The ones from SA1 were better.</quote> Gamma's entire campaign can be beaten in like, 5 minutes. The only good part is the giant mech fight on the Egg Carrier. But Gamma's story hits hard in the feefees so it gets a pass. <_< </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mixing 06/06/22 11:01:53 PM #14:	I didn't say Gamma's levels were good. They're just better than the shit ass shooting levels from SA2. <cite>Mixing posted [p:965604659] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>I didn't say Gamma's levels were good. They're just better than the shit ass shooting levels from SA2. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim_Seong-a 06/06/22 11:03:19 PM #15:	Well you're wrong, so nyeh --- Lusa Cfaad Taydr <cite>Kim_Seong-a posted [p:965604694] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>Well you're wrong, so nyeh </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mixing 06/06/22 11:04:13 PM #16:	The ones from SA2 are much more repetitive and tedious <cite>Mixing posted [p:965604717] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>The ones from SA2 are much more repetitive and tedious </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hambo the Hog 06/06/22 11:08:25 PM #17:	Kim_Seong-a posted... Oh I agree, I loved SA2's physics and the Dreamcast/Gamecube era is my favorite of Sonic's 3D outings. I just don't think that them doing something different means it'll be bad, especially since automated rails were a thing even in the games most sonic fans agree were good, like Generations. <_< Nah I agree. I don't actually mind accelerated rails as a rule. They were okay in Heroes and they weren't even what I hated about Forces. But the boost games generally seem to shit on your physics and momentum in favor of scripted speed, which I hate. If they wanna keep the on rails section on rails then fine, but let me have control over my running and jumping. Or at least some consistency with the physics. --- I'm sorry, but 10,000 of ANYTHING on a PS2 would absolutely destroy your framerate. It'd be like playing chess through the mail. ~johnboy1 <cite>Hambo the Hog posted [p:965604790] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>Kim_Seong-a posted... </cite> <quote>Oh I agree, I loved SA2's physics and the Dreamcast/Gamecube era is my favorite of Sonic's 3D outings. I just don't think that them doing something different means it'll be bad, especially since automated rails were a thing even in the games most sonic fans agree were good, like Generations. <_<</quote>Nah I agree. I don't actually mind accelerated rails as a rule. They were okay in Heroes and they weren't even what I hated about Forces. But the boost games generally seem to shit on your physics and momentum in favor of scripted speed, which I hate. If they wanna keep the on rails section on rails then fine, but let me have control over my running and jumping. Or at least some consistency with the physics. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
guydude21 06/06/22 11:10:25 PM #18:	Mixing posted... The ones from SA2 are much more repetitive and tedious Not to mention that there's virtually zero threat the entire time. --- official seraph Lamington of the Smash Ultimate Board <cite>guydude21 posted [p:965604836] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>Mixing posted... </cite> <quote>The ones from SA2 are much more repetitive and tedious</quote>Not to mention that there's virtually zero threat the entire time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hambo the Hog 06/06/22 11:29:58 PM #19:	Mixing posted... The shooting and treasure hunting levels sucked. The ones from SA1 were better. I liked 2's treasure hunts better because the levels were actually designed for that gameplay. It was dumb that 2's radar only picked up one item at a time, but at least it allowed for more interesting hints than "It's here. It's right here. Just follow me it's right here." Although that is useless if you're going for an A rank anyway, but then a lot about getting A ranks in 2 is super unfun, especially in later levels (fuck basically every space stage's 2nd and 5th mission). --- I'm sorry, but 10,000 of ANYTHING on a PS2 would absolutely destroy your framerate. It'd be like playing chess through the mail. ~johnboy1 <cite>Hambo the Hog posted [p:965605236] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>Mixing posted... </cite> <quote>The shooting and treasure hunting levels sucked. The ones from SA1 were better.</quote>I liked 2's treasure hunts better because the levels were actually designed for that gameplay. It was dumb that 2's radar only picked up one item at a time, but at least it allowed for more interesting hints than "It's here. It's right here. Just follow me it's right here." Although that is useless if you're going for an A rank anyway, but then a lot about getting A ranks in 2 is super unfun, especially in later levels (fuck basically every space stage's 2nd and 5th mission). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mixing 06/06/22 11:33:51 PM #20:	Hambo the Hog posted... I liked 2's treasure hunts better because the levels were actually designed for that gameplay. Only Pumpkin Hill and Meteor Herd had appropriate level design for it. The rest were in closed off spaces with nowhere near enough room to suit Knuckles and Rouge's movement. <cite>Mixing posted [p:965605301] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>Hambo the Hog posted... </cite> <quote>I liked 2's treasure hunts better because the levels were actually designed for that gameplay.</quote> Only Pumpkin Hill and Meteor Herd had appropriate level design for it. The rest were in closed off spaces with nowhere near enough room to suit Knuckles and Rouge's movement. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hambo the Hog 06/06/22 11:46:01 PM #21:	Mixing posted... Only Pumpkin Hill and Meteor Herd had appropriate level design for it. The rest were in closed off spaces with nowhere near enough room to suit Knuckles and Rouge's movement. Meh, their first stages had plenty of room to climb. The problem then is that climbing isn't as fun as running or gliding lol. The pyramid levels also had plenty of opportunities to use climbing and digging. Anyway I really, really hate trying to do anything in Knuckles' Sky Deck when you tilt the ship, but to be fair, Mad Space's gravity garbage is just as bad, especially considering how many more times you need to deal with it when you're going for 100%. --- I'm sorry, but 10,000 of ANYTHING on a PS2 would absolutely destroy your framerate. It'd be like playing chess through the mail. ~johnboy1 <cite>Hambo the Hog posted [p:965605552] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>Mixing posted... </cite> <quote>Only Pumpkin Hill and Meteor Herd had appropriate level design for it. The rest were in closed off spaces with nowhere near enough room to suit Knuckles and Rouge's movement.</quote>Meh, their first stages had plenty of room to climb. The problem then is that climbing isn't as fun as running or gliding lol. The pyramid levels also had plenty of opportunities to use climbing and digging. Anyway I really, really hate trying to do anything in Knuckles' Sky Deck when you tilt the ship, but to be fair, Mad Space's gravity garbage is just as bad, especially considering how many more times you need to deal with it when you're going for 100%. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 06/07/22 12:00:31 AM #22:	The rail grinding is essentially identical to Sunset Overdrive which was fucking great so I'm looking forward to more of it in Sonic Frontiers. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:965605796] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>The rail grinding is essentially identical to Sunset Overdrive which was fucking great so I'm looking forward to more of it in Sonic Frontiers. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punished_Blinx 06/07/22 12:40:08 AM #23:	That's overall whatever. Especially if you gain more speed on the rail if you have enough momentum. But there appears to be no momentum in the speed of this game at all https://twitter.com/TheCongressman1/status/1532880569570304000 --- A Fallen Mascot <cite>Punished_Blinx posted [p:965606426] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>That's overall whatever. Especially if you gain more speed on the rail if you have enough momentum. But there appears to be no momentum in the speed of this game at all https://twitter.com/TheCongressman1/status/1532880569570304000 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hambo the Hog 06/07/22 12:45:49 AM #24:	Eww --- I'm sorry, but 10,000 of ANYTHING on a PS2 would absolutely destroy your framerate. It'd be like playing chess through the mail. ~johnboy1 <cite>Hambo the Hog posted [p:965606512] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>Eww </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 06/07/22 12:55:23 AM #25:	Honestly, I went back and replayed SA1 and SA2 not long ago, and...SA2 aged worse. SA1 is snappy and simple, and it's just fun. The hub world was fun to run around in and explore, too. It has a better overall vibe to it. SA2 isn't half as fun. The levels are more frustrating, and there aren't nearly enough Sonic/Shadow stages. They made the decision to more or less evenly distribute the stages into each gameplay style, so there are ~10 speed levels, ~10 treasure hunts, and ~10 mech/shooting stages (with some overlap between Hero and Dark versions)... Sonic and Shadow should have been 60-70% of the game, not 33%. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:965606657] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>Honestly, I went back and replayed SA1 and SA2 not long ago, and...SA2 aged worse. SA1 is snappy and simple, and it's just fun. The hub world was fun to run around in and explore, too. It has a better overall vibe to it. SA2 isn't half as fun. The levels are more frustrating, and there aren't nearly enough Sonic/Shadow stages. They made the decision to more or less evenly distribute the stages into each gameplay style, so there are ~10 speed levels, ~10 treasure hunts, and ~10 mech/shooting stages (with some overlap between Hero and Dark versions)... Sonic and Shadow should have been 60-70% of the game, not 33%. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hambo the Hog 06/07/22 1:23:36 AM #27:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Honestly, I went back and replayed SA1 and SA2 not long ago, and...SA2 aged worse. SA1 is snappy and simple, and it's just fun. The hub world was fun to run around in and explore, too. It has a better overall vibe to it. SA2 isn't half as fun. The levels are more frustrating, and there aren't nearly enough Sonic/Shadow stages. They made the decision to more or less evenly distribute the stages into each gameplay style, so there are ~10 speed levels, ~10 treasure hunts, and ~10 mech/shooting stages (with some overlap between Hero and Dark versions)... Sonic and Shadow should have been 60-70% of the game, not 33%. Okay but fishing. Shooting and treasure hunting levels are practically fun sometimes. Fishing is actual agony. --- I'm sorry, but 10,000 of ANYTHING on a PS2 would absolutely destroy your framerate. It'd be like playing chess through the mail. ~johnboy1 <cite>Hambo the Hog posted [p:965607080] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>Honestly, I went back and replayed SA1 and SA2 not long ago, and...SA2 aged worse. SA1 is snappy and simple, and it's just fun. The hub world was fun to run around in and explore, too. It has a better overall vibe to it. SA2 isn't half as fun. The levels are more frustrating, and there aren't nearly enough Sonic/Shadow stages. They made the decision to more or less evenly distribute the stages into each gameplay style, so there are ~10 speed levels, ~10 treasure hunts, and ~10 mech/shooting stages (with some overlap between Hero and Dark versions)... Sonic and Shadow should have been 60-70% of the game, not 33%.</quote>Okay but fishing. Shooting and treasure hunting levels are practically fun sometimes. Fishing is actual agony. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 06/07/22 4:48:59 AM #28:	Hambo the Hog posted... Fishing is actual agony. Eh, it took a minute or two each stage. I never had a problem with it. Fishing is like 5% of the game at the most. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:965609041] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>Hambo the Hog posted... </cite> <quote>Fishing is actual agony.</quote>Eh, it took a minute or two each stage. I never had a problem with it. Fishing is like 5% of the game at the most. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hambo the Hog 06/07/22 5:01:33 AM #29:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Eh, it took a minute or two each stage. I never had a problem with it. Fishing is like 5% of the game at the most. That's some witchcraft right there. It took like five minutes to get Froggy to even notice the lure and another five to pull him in at max strain on the line. And the camera and controls are both fucking bonkers the whole time. At least in 2's mech and treasure hunt stages I can actually tell if I'm making progress. And for some reason Big has more stages than Amy, which is a crime against her as a character and as a mode of play. --- I'm sorry, but 10,000 of ANYTHING on a PS2 would absolutely destroy your framerate. It'd be like playing chess through the mail. ~johnboy1 <cite>Hambo the Hog posted [p:965609128] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>Eh, it took a minute or two each stage. I never had a problem with it. Fishing is like 5% of the game at the most.</quote>That's some witchcraft right there. It took like five minutes to get Froggy to even notice the lure and another five to pull him in at max strain on the line. And the camera and controls are both fucking bonkers the whole time. At least in 2's mech and treasure hunt stages I can actually tell if I'm making progress. And for some reason Big has more stages than Amy, which is a crime against her as a character and as a mode of play. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prismsblade 06/07/22 5:23:02 AM #30:	Physics dont always matter but in sonic games they do, and somewhat correlates to the games overall quality usually and fluidity of its controls. As for the series move to full open world It's interesting. But considering sonics emphasis on speed may be hard to implement as sonic has to move and traverse fast, but the world also needs to be big enough and diverse enough to accommodate it. On another note I'm hoping other characters are playable, but adding them may be to much work. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer <cite>Prismsblade posted [p:965609264] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>Physics dont always matter but in sonic games they do, and somewhat correlates to the games overall quality usually and fluidity of its controls. As for the series move to full open world It's interesting. But considering sonics emphasis on speed may be hard to implement as sonic has to move and traverse fast, but the world also needs to be big enough and diverse enough to accommodate it. On another note I'm hoping other characters are playable, but adding them may be to much work. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 06/07/22 6:09:14 AM #31:	Hambo the Hog posted... It took like five minutes to get Froggy to even notice the lure and another five to pull him in at max strain on the line You're remembering wrong lol. I played it less than a year ago and the fishing part flew right by. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:965609614] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>Hambo the Hog posted... </cite> <quote>It took like five minutes to get Froggy to even notice the lure and another five to pull him in at max strain on the line</quote>You're remembering wrong lol. I played it less than a year ago and the fishing part flew right by. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spikethedevil 06/07/22 6:18:06 AM #32:	Frontier is going to suffer the same fate as Forces and despite actually not being bad at all will get shit on just for being 3D sonic. --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! <cite>spikethedevil posted [p:965609687] in Sonic Adve... [t:80047840]...</cite> <quote>Frontier is going to suffer the same fate as Forces and despite actually not being bad at all will get shit on just for being 3D sonic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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