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TroutPaste
06/02/22 10:54:06 AM
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MRAs

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Solar_Crimson
06/02/22 10:55:24 AM
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Same as MGTOW.

Great on paper; but in practice, taken over by women-hating incels.

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ssk9716757
06/02/22 10:55:30 AM
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more like mens wrong activists gottem

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Robot2600
06/02/22 10:55:56 AM
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equality was already included in feminism for anyone that could read a book

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DeadBankerDream
06/02/22 10:58:32 AM
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Their approach to what mens rights' should be always seem to boil down to "women can makes choices about pregnancy after sex, men can only do it beforehand that's not fair! I demand to not pay child support!"

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Glob
06/02/22 11:00:01 AM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Same as MGTOW.

Great on paper; but in practice, taken over by women-hating incels.


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LinkFanatic
06/02/22 11:02:43 AM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
Their approach to what mens rights' should be always seem to boil down to "women can makes choices about pregnancy after sex, men can only do it beforehand that's not fair! I demand to not pay child support!"

To be fair, while it's ultimately the woman's choice to carry a pregnancy to term or not, I would say that you don't really care about your partner all that much if you don't at least talk things over with them. With a rando? Different imo.

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_BlueMonk
06/02/22 11:03:52 AM
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99.99% of the time its just women hating idiots who think feminism is taking away their rights. absolute trash.

but i will say that there are certain parts of society that men are at a disadvantage, because of T O X I C M A S C U L I N I T Y

and you know them. mental health and parenting rights.

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DeadBankerDream
06/02/22 11:06:02 AM
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I don't think that's fair at all.

We're talking about rights. Some women being assholes have nothing to do with rights. Start a Men's Decorum Association if that's the issue at hand.

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Southernfatman
06/02/22 11:06:11 AM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Same as MGTOW.

Great on paper; but in practice, taken over by women-hating incels.

This. It's good to talk about some unfairness towards men in society and things like toxic masculinity and such, but the misogynists and incels ruin it.

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RealityDose
06/02/22 11:07:38 AM
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In theory: men's support groups, stopping toxic masculinity, teaching men to support one another, father's rights legally? FUCKING AWESOME SIGN ME THE FUCK UP
In reality: taken over by incels who want to complain about 'females'

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nicklebro
06/02/22 11:09:23 AM
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Super cringey name with some super cringey members, but they have plenty of valid points like most groups do. But their arguments are given perhaps the least amount of respect no matter how valid they may be. It's the age of over-correction, so everyone can be hypocrites. Yay.

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LinkFanatic
06/02/22 11:09:27 AM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
I don't think that's fair at all.

We're talking about rights. Some women being assholes have nothing to do with rights. Start a Men's Decorum Association if that's the issue at hand.

If that was a response to me, I'm saying that personal rights can still be used to do questionable things. I'd personally consider it at least questionable if a woman didn't ask her romantic partner for his opinion on an unwanted pregnancy.

It's like when people say "I don't owe you x" to back out of any situation they don't like. Technically true, but it gets abused sometimes.

Not saying that happens in the majority of pregnancies or anything, though. I'm not referring to individual cases, just scenarios that I've personally witnessed happen.

It's a tough situation, but in the end, yes the woman gets the right to choose. I just think it's charitable to ask the dude if he wants a kid in that scenario. Worst-case scenario, he can pay child support while the mom doesn't. That said, I don't really think that'd be a healthy environment for a child to grow up in even if things did pan out that way...

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WorsCaseOntario
06/02/22 11:09:46 AM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Same as MGTOW.

Great on paper; but in practice, taken over by women-hating incels.
MGTOW is just the male version of feminism

two sides of the same coin

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_BlueMonk
06/02/22 11:10:43 AM
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agreed.

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AP3Brain
06/02/22 11:11:31 AM
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Usually the incel types. Men have plenty of rights. What we lack is the immense amount of emotional support women typically get automatically.
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MARKINGRAM22
06/02/22 11:12:38 AM
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I think they are cringe but get mixed with the extreme MGTOW crowd. They honestly are less traditional and kind of progressive in a lot of what they advocate for.
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WorsCaseOntario
06/02/22 11:13:05 AM
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AP3Brain posted...
Usually the incel types. Men have plenty of rights. What we lack the immense amount of emotional support women typically get automatically.
Women have the same amount of rights in the west

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cjsdowg
06/02/22 11:13:22 AM
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Right idea, how however most who use that term seem to hate women more then they care about men right.

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MARKINGRAM22
06/02/22 11:13:42 AM
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AP3Brain posted...
Usually the incel types. Men have plenty of rights. What we lack the immense amount of emotional support women typically get automatically.
Most of what I see is like mental health and circumcision. I dont pay that close attention honestly though.
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_BlueMonk
06/02/22 11:13:43 AM
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AP3Brain posted...
Usually the incel types. Men have plenty of rights. What we lack the immense amount of emotional support women typically get automatically.
exactly. has much less to do with rights (except maybe parental ones). just call it what it is

Feminism

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Glob
06/02/22 11:15:27 AM
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WorsCaseOntario posted...
MGTOW is just the male version of feminism

two sides of the same coin

How exactly did you reach that conclusion?
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LinkFanatic
06/02/22 11:16:40 AM
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cjsdowg posted...
Right idea, how however most who use that term seem to hate women more then they care about men right.

Agree

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DrizztLink
06/02/22 11:17:33 AM
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Glob posted...
How exactly did you reach that conclusion?
The same way they reach all their conclusions: their asshole

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Hoodroar
06/02/22 11:18:40 AM
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The face of the men's rights movement is generally anti-feminism and other unsavory elements, looking at their websites and forums and historical origins.

But like with say Gamergate and gaming journalism, bad actors use the vocally hostile portions of the group to discredit any valid concerns entirely.

Robot2600 posted...
equality was already included in feminism for anyone that could read a book

Some feminists would argue that feminism should primarily focus on inequilities against women, since they're the oppressed gender.

If someone wanted to focus primarily on inequalities against men I don't think that type of talk is particularly welcomed in feminist circles.

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_BlueMonk
06/02/22 11:23:46 AM
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WorsCaseOntario posted...
MGTOW is just the male version of feminism

two sides of the same coin
what th---

WorsCaseOntario posted...
Women have the same amount of rights in the west
oh lmao ok ignored.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
06/02/22 11:24:57 AM
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MRAs are ineffective idiots who accomplish nothing and never have.

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ElatedVenusaur
06/02/22 11:28:22 AM
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They are really more Male Supremacist Activists, as they view the advancement of women's rights (at least on paper) as a threat to their privileged position in society.

There are legitimate issues facing men that society neglects or even ridicules, such as male rape victims (who are taken no more seriously than female rape victims, and sometimes even less, somehow) and men's mental health in general. But the only people seriously offering solutions and support aren't so-called MRAs, but feminists who rightly see those problems as extensions of patriarchal control and gender norms.

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Glob
06/02/22 11:34:27 AM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
But the only people seriously offering solutions and support aren't so-called MRAs, but feminists who rightly see those problems as extensions of patriarchal control and gender norms.

I'm not sure I'd agree with that entirely. I support the vast majority of feminist ideas and recognise that the ones which are most problematic are only held by an extreme minority. However, I'd never consider myself a feminist because I believe the term itself is problematic. I prefer egalitarian.

But yeah, MRAs aren't the answer.
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nicklebro
06/02/22 11:35:21 AM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
They are really more Male Supremacist Activists, as they view the advancement of women's rights (at least on paper) as a threat to their privileged position in society.

There are legitimate issues facing men that society neglects or even ridicules, such as male rape victims (who are taken no more seriously than female rape victims, and sometimes even less, somehow) and men's mental health in general. But the only people seriously offering solutions and support aren't so-called MRAs, but feminists who rightly see those problems as extensions of patriarchal control and gender norms.
So there aren't any feminists that are actually Female Supremacists? Lol the only people that actually care about men's rights are.... feminists?! I've literally heard it all now.

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ElatedVenusaur
06/02/22 11:44:52 AM
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Acceding to the false framing of oppressors will not get them on your side.
Especially since 99% of them dont believe in egalitarianism.

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gigageek1500
06/02/22 11:45:51 AM
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I'm seeing a lot of variations on "MRAs have been taken over by bad actors." Is there any evidence of that? I always thought MRA was just thr friendly storefront for misogyny, and once they get you agreeing with some of the uncontroversial stuff they start trying to tell you it's really feminists' fault, you can't trust them, etc etc.
Hoodroar posted...
If someone wanted to focus primarily on inequalities against men I don't think that type of talk is particularly welcomed in feminist circles.
I think it depends on what you mean by focus. Like, if there were to be a feminism conference, there should be panels on issues affecting men because that's part of the picture of the patriarchy. But it shouldn't be the whole conference, because it's only part of that picture.

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Proto_Spark
06/02/22 11:47:57 AM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Same as MGTOW.

Great on paper; but in practice, taken over by women-hating incels.

This. There are legitimate issues that predominantly affect men, but all the people who claim to care really just want to hate on women, and that's not actually solving any issues - which will ironically just lead to more women-hating MRAs that don't care about solving the actual problems they face.
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TheGoldenEel
06/02/22 11:49:53 AM
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CommonStar
06/02/22 11:51:47 AM
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Bunch of insecure losers
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Umbreon
06/02/22 11:52:17 AM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Same as MGTOW.

Great on paper; but in practice, taken over by women-hating incels.


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IShall_Run_Amok
06/02/22 11:54:07 AM
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I've never met one who wasn't a (sometimes very intelligent) reactionary whiner and hypocrite. Like, there's one on the Politics board, who I obviously won't name, who once told me "if the company you work for has paternal leave, you can thank an MRA", after I made fun of him for being an MRA. So I looked it up, and it turns out the USA is one of the few (maybe the only?) developed countries in the world that doesn't have mandatory paternal leave. I'm fine with crediting MRAs for that failure; it actually sounds really fun and cool to do so, but I have no idea why he thought this was a good argument in his favor. Later it transpired that the guy works in middle management at whatever dump he's employed at, and it all made sense to me. Guy probably feels personally attacked when Mr. Incredible throws his boss through a wall.

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Hoodroar
06/02/22 12:23:04 PM
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gigageek1500 posted...
I'm seeing a lot of variations on "MRAs have been taken over by bad actors." Is there any evidence of that?

There isn't any since that's not the ordering of events. The MRM originated long ago back when women were not treated like first-class citizens, as a reactionary movement intended to keep it that way. It was no secret, they were open about this.

It's more like the creators were bad actors, and the vocal remnants are bad actors, but there are decent people there who just want focus on men's problems who get drowned out by the prevailing messages.

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Nemu
06/02/22 12:27:32 PM
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It's a mixed bag, but seems to heavily trend towards the negative. It certainly doesn't help that you have stupid internet slacktivists who berate anyone who legitimately tries to delve into that mess.
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TerraSeeker
06/02/22 12:36:48 PM
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They're necessary. Men are screwed over particularly when it comes to divorce and children. It's ridiculous that the default is for the courts is to screw children out of having a proper relationship with their father.

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Crimsoness
06/02/22 12:37:23 PM
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Incel trash

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Fony
06/02/22 12:39:15 PM
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is this an actual thing? or a reddit thing?

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Solid Snake07
06/02/22 12:42:53 PM
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About the same way I feel about radical feminists. Theyre generally losers who need to get a life outside of framing their entire self image and worth through their dumbass ideology.

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