Current Events > Republican Supreme Court:Evidence of innocence not enough to overturn conviction

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05/28/22 2:16:38 AM
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In 2018, a federal court overturned Jones conviction, concluding that he had failed to receive effective counsel, a violation of his Sixth Amendment rights. Had that happened, a federal judge ruled, there is a reasonable probability that his jury would not have convicted him of any of the crimes with which he was charged and previously convicted.

After losing in the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, Arizonas attorney general appealed the decision to the Supreme Court. During those oral arguments, state prosecutors repeatedly argued that innocence isnt enough of a reason to throw out Jones conviction.

On Monday morning, by a 6-3 vote, the Supreme Court concurred: Barry Jones innocence is not enough to keep him off of death row. The state of Arizona can still kill Jones, even if there exists a preponderance of evidence that he committed no crime.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-supreme-court-just-said-in-in-shinn-v-ramirez-that-evidence-of-innocence-is-not-enough

(Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Courts conservative majority decided on Monday that people in state prison no longer have a broad constitutional right to present new evidence in federal court to support claims that they werent adequately represented at trial or on appeal.

The courts opinion effectively guts a final safeguard against prosecutorial and judicial error or misconduct. It will leave people who have been wrongfully convicted without a court to turn to for justice, and increases the likelihood that some innocent prisoners will be executed.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/supreme-court-prioritizes-expedience-not-justice-wrongful-convictions-2022-05-25/

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05/28/22 2:22:51 AM
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Republicans are evil confirmed.

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ultimate reaver
05/28/22 2:23:23 AM
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we could do with a little cleaning up

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DarthAragorn
05/28/22 2:24:53 AM
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Republican party is literally a terrorist organization.

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jpenny2
05/28/22 2:27:38 AM
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The Supreme Court is a joke and should be dismantled.

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St0rmFury
05/28/22 2:46:21 AM
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3rd world country.

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Zeeak4444
05/28/22 2:52:58 AM
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It means federal courts can still hear inadequate legal representation claims but cant consider evidence that wasnt already presented in earlier proceedings.

should have included this in the OP tbh. Thats fucking insane.

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What_
05/28/22 2:54:37 AM
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Time to dismantle the supreme court
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DEKMStephens
05/28/22 2:54:56 AM
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It seems kind of dangerous for the highest court in the land to effectively admit the judiciary and whole justice system is not beholden to any standard.

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Strider102
05/28/22 2:56:35 AM
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Eventually they're just gonna eliminate trials themselves, proclaim everyone as guilty and then sentence them to death regardless.

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Ratchetrockon
05/28/22 2:58:44 AM
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Wtf

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darkmaian23
05/28/22 3:10:03 AM
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DEKMStephens posted...
It seems kind of dangerous for the highest court in the land to effectively admit the judiciary and whole justice system is not beholden to any standard.
Just "kind of dangerous"? Can you imagine how much of a piece of shit you'd have to be to argue that being innocent isn't enough to be set free, let alone not be executed? Prosecutors for the state literally said innocence isn't enough. It is the prosecution's job to get convictions, but the only reason we want convictions is to serve the interest of public safety. We aren't supposed to be locking up innocent people, let alone executing them! And the highest judges in the United States agreed with this BS, complete with a helping of "respect states' rights thrown in for good measure.

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gunplagirl
05/28/22 3:10:26 AM
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Well jeez you guys I'm starting to think that maybe using floating interpretations of hundreds of year old documents isn't the best basis for a government since all you need to do to undermine it is control the people who do the interpreting.

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darkmaian23
05/28/22 3:30:34 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
Well jeez you guys I'm starting to think that maybe using floating interpretations of hundreds of year old documents isn't the best basis for a government since all you need to do to undermine it is control the people who do the interpreting.
That would be a problem for the present US government no matter what. The people who have power and money have decided what they want done, and they'll say or do whatever it takes to make it happen.Have you seen portions of the leaked Roe v. Wade draft? It's completely unhinged. Although he didn't say it directly, Clarence Thomas' answer to public outcry against the leaked draft was basically "we are the elite and we rule the way we want; you peasants must accept what we do because those are the rules". It's not a problem with the Constitution---it doesn't matter what the facts say or what legal scholarship says, they'll rule however they like and make up any justification for it.
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008Zulu
05/28/22 5:33:32 AM
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Until there is a Republican affected by this, then watch them bend over backwards.

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Kaiganeer
05/28/22 5:57:08 AM
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the american justice system is kind of messed up
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pikachupwnage
05/28/22 6:33:58 AM
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This really shouldve resulted in some very drastic actions to immediately correct this and remove the six who voted in favor of this fucked up verdict.

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05/28/22 11:25:13 AM
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Bump

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WilliamPorygon
05/28/22 11:30:20 AM
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Clarence Thomas in particular has really been running his mouth off with stupid shit lately

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AlCalavicci
05/28/22 11:33:34 AM
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This country is fucked. We are not even near the end of shit calls from SCOTUS, they will continue destroying this company for years to come if we don't pack the courts.

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What_
05/28/22 11:39:37 AM
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WilliamPorygon posted...
Clarence Thomas in particular has really been running his mouth off with stupid shit lately
Clarence Thomas has been a traitor to this country for decades
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ScazarMeltex
05/28/22 11:53:11 AM
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darkmaian23 posted...
That would be a problem for the present US government no matter what. The people who have power and money have decided what they want done, and they'll say or do whatever it takes to make it happen.Have you seen portions of the leaked Roe v. Wade draft? It's completely unhinged. Although he didn't say it directly, Clarence Thomas' answer to public outcry against the leaked draft was basically "we are the elite and we rule the way we want; you peasants must accept what we do because those are the rules". It's not a problem with the Constitution---it doesn't matter what the facts say or what legal scholarship says, they'll rule however they like and make up any justification for it.
This is the problem with the way the American revolution happened. In France their revolution involved killing their aristocracy and making sure that a new didn't taken it's place. That failed but they eventually got around to making it right. In the US our revolution was about replacing a Foreign Aristocracy with a local one. The founding fathers were aristocrats and the system they devised was put in place specifically to mantain the power of that aristocratic class.

There is a reason that almost none of the Democracies that came about after the American revolution are based on our system. Primarily that it's shit. It's been held together with spit and duct tape for a couple of hundred years now but it's going to collapse, and sooner rather rather than later.

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RchHomieQuanChi
05/28/22 11:55:31 AM
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This country is a joke and the GOP all need to be locked in jail with the key thrown away

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chukklez17dc
05/28/22 1:03:22 PM
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I would bet that his wife constantly gives him shit about that

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ZMythos
05/28/22 1:07:08 PM
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None of CE's usual suspects will try to defend this.

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LeperMessiahXX
05/28/22 1:25:54 PM
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Imagine being in a country that calls itself the land of the free but also having a system that outright says innocence isn't enough to be free. This isn't a game, some shit technicality shouldn't overrule innocence.

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hockeybub89
05/28/22 1:30:09 PM
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There truly is no reason for America to exist

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Hambo the Hog
05/28/22 1:31:17 PM
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Someone needs to wrongly sentence these justices to the same thing. They're the ones actually costing innocent people their lives.

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MattcheteGuy
05/28/22 1:33:09 PM
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St0rmFury posted...
3rd world country.


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LeperMessiahXX
05/28/22 1:34:07 PM
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Holy shit I missed the part where the man is on death row. What the fuck? The pro-life party is going to leave an innocent man on death row because of a technicality?

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Tmaster148
05/28/22 1:37:25 PM
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LeperMessiahXX posted...
Holy shit I missed the part where the man is on death row. What the fuck? The pro-life party is going to leave an innocent man on death row because of a technicality?

They aren't pro-life. They've always been anti-woman.

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05/28/22 1:38:48 PM
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Guys remember that both parties are equally bad. Both sides!!

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FortuneCookie
05/28/22 1:40:27 PM
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Did they literally say "innocence isn't enough"?

Yes, it is enough. That's literally the point of someone being found not guilty. You release someone when you prove their innocence.
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hockeybub89
05/28/22 2:21:02 PM
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Shut the fuck up. It is immoral to not free this man and every member of the justice system that is failing him needs to be arrested for first-degree murder immediately.

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Cheater87
05/28/22 2:22:53 PM
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So innocence is a thing of the past huh?

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UnfairRepresent
05/28/22 2:35:02 PM
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DEKMStephens posted...
It seems kind of dangerous for the highest court in the land to effectively admit the judiciary and whole justice system is not beholden to any standard.


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Kloe_Rinz
05/28/22 8:39:22 PM
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Why do the mods punish people who criticize republicans again?
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Tyranthraxus
05/28/22 8:50:03 PM
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008Zulu posted...
Until there is a Republican affected by this, then watch them bend over backwards.

They already did. You don't hear much about the Roe vs Wade leak anymore do you? Why do you suppose that is?

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05/28/22 8:52:10 PM
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I just can't

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