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Gaawa_chan 05/24/22 4:55:55 PM #1: |
In Shinn v. Ramirez and Jones, two men on Arizonas death row raised claims in habeas corpus proceedings that their trial attorneys were constitutionally ineffective one for failing to investigate evidence suggesting his client could not have committed the crime, and the other for failing to investigate her clients intellectual disability, which could have spared him the death penalty. Although the Supreme Courts 2012 decision in Martinez v. Ryan permitted defendants to raise such claims for the first time in federal court, on Monday the court ruled 6-3 that they cannot develop evidence to support those claims. You can read the logic of the ruling and the dissent in the link: https://www.scotusblog.com/2022/05/conservative-majority-hollows-out-precedent-on-ineffective-counsel-claims-in-federal-court/ You guys better hope you never get a shitty lawyer. SC is pissing our rights away. --- Hi ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Count_Drachma 05/24/22 5:22:23 PM #2: |
Wish SCOTUS would get off their fat asses and rule the death penalty unconstitutional, but they can't get their fat asses out of their seats and, even if they could, they'd likely break the chairs because they have some fat asses. --- Everybody's got a price / Everybody's got to pay / Because the Million Drachma Man / Always gets his way. AhahahahMMH ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ParanoidObsessive 05/24/22 5:45:45 PM #3: |
Count_Drachma posted... Wish SCOTUS would get off their fat asses and rule the death penalty unconstitutional That's one of the things I'm glad they haven't ruled on, because some people just need killin'. The real problem with it - like most things - is that the problem isn't the final outcome, it's the systemic process you take to get there. But systemic reform is hard, and requires both skill and sacrifice, so no facet of our government will ever commit to it. Much easier to just make sweeping declarations and stop-gap "solutions" that give the illusion of solving things without actually solving anything. Because hey, everything stays terrible and continues to fall apart, but at least you get reelected. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VampireCoyote 05/24/22 6:02:10 PM #4: |
Im currently representing myself in court I figure Im one half Saul Goodman, one half of a half of Matt Murdock, and the rest is Duckman --- She/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zareth 05/24/22 6:48:16 PM #5: |
This is the court that will overturn a Democrat victory in 2024. They don't give two shits about the will of the people. --- In my opinion, all slavery is wrong, even the really fancy kind - Mead ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jen0125 05/24/22 7:12:06 PM #6: |
VampireCoyote posted... Im currently representing myself in court 99% of the time this is a horrible idea ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dikitain 05/24/22 7:18:41 PM #7: |
Jen0125 posted... 99% of the time this is a horrible ideaAnd that 1% of the time is when you are Johnnie Cochran. --- After 16 years, I have decided my signature will NOT be about my job! But I still don't know what to put here so...yea... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JixHedgehog 05/24/22 7:21:45 PM #8: |
VampireCoyote posted... Im currently representing myself in court When can you start? --- Remember! Violence is never the answer.. unless you're a Liberal.. or from Hollywood apparently.. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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streamofthesky 05/24/22 10:57:25 PM #9: |
ParanoidObsessive posted... That's one of the things I'm glad they haven't ruled on, because some people just need killin'.I've always supported the death penalty because of this. Heinous murderers where there's no doubt they did it -- like Dylan Roof or Nicholas Cruz -- should be executed. There's no reason to let them live. But after this atrocity of a SC ruling, I am totally fine w/ capital punishment being banned. This is fucking horrendous. I will NEVER accept the government willfully murdering an innocent person just so the real scum bags can be taken out, too. This ruling outright says "innocence is not enough". If you're found guilty for bs reasons and later can cast significant doubt or outright disprove your guilt, it doesn't matter. The state can murder you anyway. This is, with absolutely zero hyperbole, the worst decision the Supreme Court has ever made. Blatantly innocent people will die because of this, and nobody will be able to save them. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zareth 05/24/22 11:56:57 PM #10: |
The SC really wishes they were the Imperium's Inquisition https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/2/4/AABsC-AADRA8.jpg --- In my opinion, all slavery is wrong, even the really fancy kind - Mead ... Copied to Clipboard!
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sodium-chloride 05/25/22 1:29:21 AM #11: |
how does a person defend capital punishment but also think abortions are immoral? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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streamofthesky 05/25/22 1:43:09 AM #12: |
sodium-chloride posted... how does a person defend capital punishment but also think abortions are immoral?Republicans: The fetus did nothing wrong! Rational person: Neither did the inmate in this case Republicans: Villainous Blue Screen of Death (the trope is usually a Heroic BSoD, but that would be an inaccurate name, in this case) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metalsonic66 05/25/22 2:01:31 AM #13: |
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VillainousBSOD --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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streamofthesky 05/25/22 2:02:30 AM #14: |
Metalsonic66 posted... https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VillainousBSODHuh Had only ever seen the Heroic one before. TVTropes truly is endless ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Revelation34 05/25/22 2:13:22 AM #15: |
Gaawa_chan posted...
Do you have a list of their recent trash rulings? Count_Drachma posted... Wish SCOTUS would get off their fat asses and rule the death penalty unconstitutional, but they can't get their fat asses out of their seats and, even if they could, they'd likely break the chairs because they have some fat asses. Under what amendment would it be unconstitutional? --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ultra magnus13 05/25/22 2:20:18 AM #16: |
Zareth posted... This is the court that will overturn a Democrat victory in 2024. They don't give two shits about the will of the people. The Supreme Court is not suppose to care about the will of the people, they are supposed to interpret law. --- ?huh?........ it's just a box. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Count_Drachma 05/25/22 4:03:35 AM #17: |
ParanoidObsessive posted... The real problem with it - like most things - is that the problem isn't the final outcome, it's the systemic process you take to get there I mean, 99.99% of the time, the problem is still the outcome. The number of times it might be justified are almost non-existent -- the only time it might be reasonable is if you couldn't safely contain somebody and that individual posed a major risk to society. Basically a supervillain. Zareth posted... This is the court that will overturn a Democrat victory in 2024. They don't give two shits about the will of the people. Oh lawdy... the same song and dance that's been going for decades now. sodium-chloride posted... how does a person defend capital punishment but also think abortions are immoral? Holy false equivocations, Batman! You could justify the reverse of that argument, but you can't justify that argument. However, capital punishment should be banned and life sentences should probably be banned, too. --- Everybody's got a price / Everybody's got to pay / Because the Million Drachma Man / Always gets his way. AhahahahMMH ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Adam_Savage 05/25/22 4:15:09 AM #18: |
hey zues since you're not using the zeus account can i have it i mean you seem to have the many alts while i just have this one, i think you can spare one --- that's one body that'll never be found you see, little sister don't miss when she aims her gun ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VampireCoyote 05/25/22 8:45:34 AM #19: |
ultra magnus13 posted... The Supreme Court is not suppose to care about the will of the people, they are supposed to interpret law. another reason that the Supreme Court should be destroyed --- She/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ultra magnus13 05/25/22 10:10:51 AM #20: |
VampireCoyote posted...
Troll account? Or just someone that has no idea how the branches of the U.S. government and separation of powers work? --- ?huh?........ it's just a box. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VampireCoyote 05/25/22 10:22:04 AM #21: |
ultra magnus13 posted... Troll account? Or just someone that has no idea how the branches of the U.S. government and separation of powers work? Oh I understand perfectly well Ive held the position for a couple decades now that the Supreme Court should be abolished. Theyre a bunch of unelected officials that do not reflect the people yet decide the fates of millions. We dont need a cabal to interpret the constitution, what we need to do is REWRITE the fucking thing. They should be dragged out. --- She/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ultra magnus13 05/25/22 10:44:06 PM #22: |
VampireCoyote posted...
No you clearly don't. --- ?huh?........ it's just a box. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VampireCoyote 05/25/22 10:44:52 PM #23: |
ultra magnus13 posted... No you clearly don't. Well its been fun chatting with you. --- She/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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