Current Events > Would reparations mean we're a post-racism society?

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Or would it not really change all that much about race relations? Which is kind of what I suspect would happen.

I guess? Things would have to change significantly for people to understand that the government paying reparations is fair.

Hoodroar posted...

I guess? Things would have to change significantly for people to understand that the government paying reparations is fair.

Well I guess my question is could we move on if we just paid the reparations.

Billyionaire posted...

Well I guess my question is could we move on if we just paid the reparations.

A solid 30% of the US would lose their godamn minds over reparations. So no, the country couldn't just move on.

Billyionaire posted...

Well I guess my question is could we move on if we just paid the reparations.

On paper you're not wrong in that the idea would be to "balance the books" and then move on to be a society where one group can no longer claim they're unfairly starting from further back because of historical injustices. In practice, a whole bunch of people will get a lot of money and a whole bunch of people won't. The people who won't will be pissed at the people who will, and the people who will, will turn around and say that it's not nearly enough to make up for historical injustices and we'll be exactly where we are now except with even worse race relations.

No, it would only be the first step.

s0nicfan posted...

whole bunch of people will get a lot of money

How much we talking?

s0nicfan posted...

On paper you're not wrong in that the idea would be to "balance the books" and then move on to be a society where one group can no longer claim they're unfairly starting from further back because of historical injustices. In practice, a whole bunch of people will get a lot of money and a whole bunch of people won't. The people who won't will be pissed at the people who will, and the people who will, will turn around and say that it's not nearly enough to make up for historical injustices and we'll be exactly where we are now except with even worse race relations.

P much.

Correct. Once the government pays damages for all the harm its racist laws did, racism would be over.

The government doesn't want to pay though, because it's racist

Who would get them first? I would think that the Indian Tribes should get first dibs.

No but it would be a good step in that direction.

And reparations shouldn't be a straight monetary payout.

Should be a gradual process. Which, some are trying to make happen and more are putting up road blocks. The 2 system party will never do it. Because both are established with not taking minority people along. They just gotta appear as the better option when it's important to get their vote. Then they go back to white problems until they need their votes again.

lolife67 posted...

No but it would be a good step in that direction.

And reparations shouldn't be a straight monetary payout.

But it's probably cheaper to just make a one time monetary payout

No. There are still sundown towns in the US.

Billyionaire posted...

How much we talking?

Enough to get a box of Newports, and Cigarillos for a year baby!

lilORANG posted...

Correct. Once the government pays damages for all the harm its racist laws did, racism would be over.

Right? That's exactly the problem. Whatever reparations are handled, in whatever form would just result in "I paid my reparations. Racism is over".

People died so blacks could be free. Isn't that reparations enough? People thought it would be better to kill rather than let people enslaved. If anything blacks should be paying their debts to the descendants of Union soliders.

Billyionaire posted...

But it's probably cheaper to just make a one time monetary payout

Probably. But it wouldn't actually be the best option if they really want to address the issue.

TurtleInFreedom posted...

People died so blacks could be free. Isn't that reparations enough? People thought it would be better to kill rather than let people enslaved. If anything blacks should be paying their debts to the descendants of Union soliders.

.....anyone wanna take this one?

TurtleInFreedom posted...

People died so blacks could be free. Isn't that reparations enough? People thought it would be better to kill rather than let people enslaved. If anything blacks should be paying their debts to the descendants of Union soliders.

Brave of you to be so stupid in public.

TurtleInFreedom posted...

People died so blacks could be free. Isn't that reparations enough? People thought it would be better to kill rather than let people enslaved. If anything blacks should be paying their debts to the descendants of Union soliders.

Jesus fucking Christ that's stupid, hateful, and ignorant.

Obviously not. It would mean weve made a lot of progress that it actually was something that happened though.

Though frankly I prefer more money towards more universal and long term solutions. That funding going to public transportation, education, actual police reform(longer and better training, more stringent IQ/temperament checks, more knowledge of the law, more emphasis on descalation and non lethal takedowns, easier process to get paid for wrongful injury/arrest, universal body cams, all footage is posted to a publically accessible site automatically, a complementary unarmed/very lightly armed service focused on mental health etc) etc would be more helpful.

Reperations dont fix systemic issues and I doubt an amount that would bring anything other then brief relief is feasible for a longtime to come as well as the whole mess of who should receive it.

That said I am not opposed to reperations entirely or anything I just dont think they are feasible on a large enough scale to make a difference and must be part of more fundamental changes. And there is a limit to how much could reasonably be given.

TurtleInFreedom posted...

This is why we need better public education. This guy seems proud of his Shoe Size IQ.

pikachupwnage posted...

Though frankly I prefer more money towards more universal and long term solutions. That funding going to public transportation, education, actual police reform(longer and better training, more stringent IQ/temperament checks, more knowledge of the law, more emphasis on descalation and non lethal takedowns, easier process to get paid for wrongful injury/arrest, universal body cams, all footage is posted to a publically accessible site automatically, a complementary unarmed/very lightly armed service focused on mental health etc) etc would be more helpful.

Nuts that shit. America fucked over black people from the start , when were getting out they fucked us over again. When climbed back out of that hole just a little bit, here is American coming to fuck black people once more.

It is time for America to cut the fucking check.

ZeroV2 posted...

we would rather send hundreds of millions to Ukraine lol

Off all the myriad dumbass spending the US has for you to criticize you choose the funding being used to help an allied nation protect itself from an unprovoked war and genocide? A war that threatens the food supply and security of hundreds of millions of people? A war being waged by the country that interfered in our elections in 2016?

Also the amount we have spent on Ukraine would get every black person about 300$ If spent on reparations instead which is Jack shit. Thats not even half a months rent in the majority of the country.

Nah it would basically be here's some money now shut the fuck up about it.

It would be a band aid on a very slow healing wound.

There isn't some fairy tale easy fix. It's taken a long time to get where we are and yes there have been steps taken back here and there but we still have a ways to go. I belive racism will never go away but I do believe one day we will have minimilized it enough it won't be a major problem. Each generation seems a tad better than the last. So basically it's just keep plugging away at beating it into younger folks heads racism is bad, overturning laws that are rooted in racism and play the waiting game.

Billyionaire posted...

Or would it not really change all that much about race relations?

It will make race relations worse.

Dont get me wrong, getting money is nice and will help struggling people. But that wont erase whatever resentment they were feeling in the first place. If they continue to publicly complain about social issues or whatever, I dont think the rest of society will be sympathetic at all (e.g. Stfu, you got paid). Of course the taxpayers whose ancestors never had any connection to that history will be smart enough to know they were just forced into going along with it all.

I think its also safe to say that any expectation for reparations wouldnt just end, no matter how big or how many payments are made. Its just not human nature. The next generation, for example, will be pissed if they dont get paid too. Thus no progress.

Because the free labor that slaves provided was in the multitrillions the payout would close the gap so unless yt people decide to attack black people violently the debt would be paid and the man problem would be solved this would be the 1st gen of blk people who can say the USA helped us

No. That's just the start for the country taking responsibility for its actions.