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Pikachuchupika
04/29/22 12:09:18 PM
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Being LGBT is illegal in some parts of the middle-east. Some people there get stoned to death. Could the west one day become like the middle-east if republicans get their way?

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Swagger_Dagger
04/29/22 12:10:32 PM
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Kloe_Rinz
04/29/22 12:11:13 PM
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should have voted Bernie
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Solar_Crimson
04/29/22 12:14:49 PM
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The right certainly wants to make things that way. They would be 100% in favor of a Christian-flavored Sharia.

Kloe_Rinz posted...
should have voted Bernie
I did, both times he was in the primaries.

Still voted for Hilary and then Biden in their respective general elections.

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Ozarhok
04/29/22 12:16:54 PM
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Holy crap, get off the internet

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EmbraceOfDeath
04/29/22 12:17:26 PM
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Lmao no. Stop with the fearmongering.

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Solar_Crimson
04/29/22 12:18:10 PM
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Ozarhok posted...
Holy crap, get off the internet
The LGBT rollbacks are actually happening in this country, or there is significant legislation being floated to do just that.

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ElatedVenusaur
04/29/22 12:18:24 PM
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If the Evangelicals have their way, it will be illegal to be gay or trans or to get an abortion. Ignore the backlash at our peril, and, eventually: yours.

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Solar_Crimson
04/29/22 12:19:55 PM
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EmbraceOfDeath posted...
Lmao no. Stop with the fearmongering.
People said the same thing about LGBT and women's rights years ago, and now we have several red states presenting and passing anti-LGBT and anti-abortion laws.

This is no longer "fearmongering".

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FaultyCircuitry
04/29/22 12:22:45 PM
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EmbraceOfDeath posted...
Lmao no. Stop with the fearmongering.

Shut up. With the way things are trending in certain parts of the country, and with a conservative majority on the supreme court this is not fearmongering.

It never was.

The ability to look at a dire situations and shrug them off with an accusation of fearmongering is a disgustingly bad thing. Ultimate show of unchecked privilege.

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TheOtherMike
04/29/22 12:23:00 PM
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Ozarhok posted...
Holy crap, get off the internet

EmbraceOfDeath posted...
Lmao no. Stop with the fearmongering.

So Republicans aren't likening LGBT to "pedophiles" and "groomers" and calling for their execution?

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/04/conservatives-declare-war-lgbtq-suicide-prevention-hotline-call-pedophilia/

https://www.mississippifreepress.org/22283/ex-gop-gov-candidate-calls-for-firing-squad-for-trans-rights-supporters-political-foes/

Oh wait, they are and you should shut the fuck up.

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NoxObscuras
04/29/22 12:23:34 PM
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Nah, it seems like the approach they're going for is denying that the LGBTQ+ community even exists. Teaching kids about it is apparently "grooming" so the solution is to not talk about it.

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ScazarMeltex
04/29/22 12:24:48 PM
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EmbraceOfDeath posted...
Lmao no. Stop with the fearmongering.
Do you think all of these attempts by the right wing to demonize the LGBTQ community as groomers and pedos while simultaneously passing laws to fuck them in every way they can is a coincidence?

This is a direct attempt to dehumanize them so that future violence can be justified. You have GOP politicians calling for them and their supporters execution.

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BurmesePenguin
04/29/22 12:25:29 PM
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Id just like to point out that America is not the West
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gunplagirl
04/29/22 12:27:21 PM
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If the gop has its way we'd be lucky if they only went as far as stoning us to death

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Blightzkrieg
04/29/22 12:31:46 PM
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It was like that less than a century ago

Anybody who thinks it couldn't happen again is dumb as shit

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haloiscoolisbak
04/29/22 12:33:26 PM
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Can't help but feel there's some subtle anti Middle eastern trolling with this topic

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EndOfDiscOne
04/29/22 12:40:43 PM
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If Trump is re-elected, yes its very likely that being LGBT will be a death sentence.

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Unsugarized_Foo
04/29/22 12:43:12 PM
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Of course it's possible but you're bat shit crazy if you think there's that many bat shit crazy people or if there's not enough bat shit crazy people to war against the bat shit crazier folk

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meestermj
04/29/22 12:44:00 PM
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Unsugarized_Foo posted...
Of course it's possible but you're bat shit crazy if you think there's that many bat shit crazy people or if there's not enough bat shit crazy people to war against the bat shit crazier folk
Trump got elected into office.
That should tell you exactly how many batshit people there are in the US.

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RchHomieQuanChi
04/29/22 12:46:15 PM
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EmbraceOfDeath posted...
Lmao no. Stop with the fearmongering.

We have notable GOP politicians that are advocating for killing LGBT members. It's not "fearmongering".

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Duncanwii
04/29/22 12:46:47 PM
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EndOfDiscOne posted...
If Trump is re-elected, yes its very likely that being LGBT will be a death sentence.

He cannot legally do that.

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FaultyCircuitry
04/29/22 12:47:42 PM
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Unsugarized_Foo posted...
Of course it's possible but you're bat shit crazy if you think there's that many bat shit crazy people or if there's not enough bat shit crazy people to war against the bat shit crazier folk

You might have a point, but most of the liberal supporters will fold the second it starts to affect them.

They're allies in name only.

Soon as it comes time to be a shield, or a battering ram they'll jump ship and hide in their suburban basements doing nothing but tweeting about how awful it all that this is happening.

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FaultyCircuitry
04/29/22 12:48:18 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
He cannot legally do that.

Lol, you think legality means anything here?

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Sayoria
04/29/22 12:49:46 PM
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The Republican dream country would be death to LGBT people without repercussions. They'd love stronger gay panic defenses and any reason to use their guns.

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gunplagirl
04/29/22 12:51:10 PM
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meestermj posted...
Trump got elected into office.
That should tell you exactly how many batshit people there are in the US.
It also doesn't matter if it's a minority wanting to do it so long as they have the power due to gerrymandering, the SCOTUS, state legislatures, and of course our busted senate. The minority can control the majority of those important positions.

And the thing is, even if the average person doesn't support it? The average person also won't oppose it in any meaningful way as any meaningful way of fighting would require actually putting themselves at risk. And we all know conservatives in general are apathetic and simply don't care, even if they didn't like Trump bullying and lying they still voted for him twice.

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Duncanwii
04/29/22 12:52:45 PM
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He couldnt legally try to overturn the election. Yet he got his cult to try and do it for him.

And that failed because the average Maga person talk a big game but when it comes to act they are cowards. The second it comes time for consequences they run with their tails between their legs.

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IShall_Run_Amok
04/29/22 1:03:01 PM
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There's one political party in the USA which is explicitly dedicated to this, and I suggest we abolish it, imprison their politicians and blacklist their supporters from political office.

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Were_Wyrm
04/29/22 1:09:20 PM
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Not with our current marijuana laws

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FaultyCircuitry
04/29/22 1:17:54 PM
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Were_Wyrm posted...
Not with our current marijuana laws


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pinky0926
04/29/22 1:32:55 PM
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I wonder how far enlightened centrists will let shit fly before they drop the "you can't even ask questions anymore" charade.

You'll motherfuckers are watching bills being signed that gaslight trans people into not existing and children into anti gay propaganda, maybe you've asked enough fucking questions.

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Solar_Crimson
04/29/22 2:16:36 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
And that failed because the average Maga person talk a big game but when it comes to act they are cowards. The second it comes time for consequences they run with their tails between their legs.
And once they control all branches of the government, they'll stop being scared.

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AssassinFox
04/29/22 2:28:28 PM
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I think the scenario outlined in the title is unlikely for lots of reasons, one of the biggest ones being that many more people in this country have openly LGBT friends and family members than ever before. Even if Trump gets re-elected, the chance that his administration will make being LGBT a capital offense is nearly zero. Despite what people are saying in this thread, that is not a mainstream political position at all, even among conservatives. However, a general rollback of LGBT rights is likely.
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TheOtherMike
04/29/22 2:39:20 PM
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AssassinFox posted...
Despite what people are saying in this thread, that is not a mainstream political position at all, even among conservatives.

It doesn't have to be. If the Republicans in power decide to make being LGBT a capital offense, particularly if they've succeeded in their next coup attempt, the conservative constituents will shut their mouths and fall in line for fear of the hefty sentences associated with "aiding and abetting" "groomers."

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AssassinFox
04/29/22 3:46:29 PM
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TheOtherMike posted...
It doesn't have to be. If the Republicans in power decide to make being LGBT a capital offense, particularly if they've succeeded in their next coup attempt, the conservative constituents will shut their mouths and fall in line for fear of the hefty sentences associated with "aiding and abetting" "groomers."

Okay, and Republicans could decide to do all kinds of things. It doesn't mean they will. Acting like LGBT+ people are suddenly going to be executed in large numbers under the next Republican administration is fearmongering. Let's look at the two examples you cited above:

  1. One random Republican -- who lost his last bid for public office in one of the most conservative states in the country -- suggested the death penalty for supporters of trans rights on Twitter and immediately got criticized by at least one other notable Republican from his state.
  2. A few right-wingers posted tweets (which got a few thousand likes at most) equating some of the recommendations of an LGBT+ youth hotline with grooming, but not suggesting the death penalty for the people who run said hotline.
There is a gigantic fucking chasm between those examples and Republicans in power trying to make being LGBT+ a capital offense, especially within the span of a few years.
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PlantBased
04/29/22 3:56:20 PM
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AssassinFox posted...
However, a general rollback of LGBT rights is likely.
Then what do you think happens, genius? Their bloodlust is sated and they stop there? They declare victory and move on?

There is a gigantic fucking chasm between those examples and Republicans in power trying to make being LGBT+ a capital offense, especially within the span of a few years.
There were lots of chasms that have become little gaps in the last few years.

Just shut the fuck up. You're not fooling anyone.
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TheOtherMike
04/29/22 3:59:11 PM
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AssassinFox posted...
Acting like LGBT+ people are suddenly going to be executed in large numbers under the next Republican administration is fearmongering.

Quote where I said "suddenly" or "next Republican administration."

AssassinFox posted...
There is a gigantic fucking chasm between those examples and

Those are exactly that - examples. And examples of that nature are becoming more and more frequent from the political right.

AssassinFox posted...
Republicans in power trying to make being LGBT+ a capital offense, especially within the span of a few years.

Again, quote where I gave any specific indication of a timeline. Regardless, it's blatantly clear you aren't interested in a good faith discussion of this issue, given your casual handwaving of the examples given and blatant mischaracterization of what I've actually said. There are far more than just those two, fyi, if you care to actually look at the stream of anti LGBT (and specifically anti T) vitriol and legislation coming out of Red states.

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Total_Lost2
04/29/22 4:02:25 PM
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BurmesePenguin posted...
Id just like to point out that America is not the West


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greyfox747
04/29/22 4:02:47 PM
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What do you think happens to marginalized groups when their rights are taken away from them

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RchHomieQuanChi
04/29/22 4:10:07 PM
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And even if you think it's unlikely for this to happen, we need to treat it as a real possibility because the consequences of not taking it seriously are dire.

I put nothing, absolutely nothing, past this current Republican Party and their supporters.

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AssassinFox
04/29/22 4:22:08 PM
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PlantBased posted...
Then what do you think happens, genius? Their bloodlust is sated and they stop there? They declare victory and move on?

No, but there is a huge fucking difference between "LGBT+ rights are going to be restricted, potentially leading to a gradual increase in hate crimes and potential criminalization many years down the line" and "LGBT+ people are all going to be executed by the Republican death squads tomorrow!!!!1111"

There were lots of chasms that have become little gaps in the last few years.

Such as?

Just shut the fuck up. You're not fooling anyone.

"Shut the fuck up" is an incredibly common refrain on this site when people can't refute what others are saying.

TheOtherMike posted...
Quote where I said "suddenly" or "next Republican administration."

You certainly implied it in Post #36; see the bolded part:

If the Republicans in power decide to make being LGBT a capital offense, particularly if they've succeeded in their next coup attempt, the conservative constituents will shut their mouths and fall in line for fear of the hefty sentences associated with "aiding and abetting" "groomers."

Given that "the next coup attempt" is most likely to happen during/after the next election, the implication is clear. And other people in this thread (see Posts #19 and 34) either directly stated or implied that it would occur during the next Republican administration.

On to the next point.

Those are exactly that - examples. And examples of that nature are becoming more and more frequent from the political right.

Sure, although I haven't seen any examples of Republicans in power stating that trans people and their supporters should be lined up and shot. You found precisely one example of a Republican politician who's not even in office right now saying it on Twitter. That is an extremely fringe position, and you know it. I could just as easily find examples of black people saying white people should all be lined up and shot, or feminists saying "Kill all men"; would that mean that those are mainstream positions on the left?

Again, quote where I gave any specific indication of a timeline. Regardless, it's blatantly clear you aren't interested in a good faith discussion of this issue, given your casual handwaving of the examples given and blatant mischaracterization of what I've actually said. There are far more than just those two, fyi, if you care to actually look at the stream of anti LGBT (and specifically anti T) vitriol and legislation coming out of Red states.

I already did. And I am interested in a good faith discussion on this issue. I'm simply asking how you get from those examples to the idea that making being LGBT+ a capital offense is right around the corner.
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Southernfatman
04/29/22 4:28:12 PM
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I'm sure there were Germans back in the 30s saying Jewish people and other minorities weren't going to be persecuted either. The Nazis didn't immediately start sending people to camps. It was gradual and if anyone can't see what's happening then they're too far gone or too blind.

Democrats and the DOJ will also have blood on their hands as well for doing jack shit to stop Republicans taking over the country.

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Duncanwii
04/29/22 4:29:32 PM
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I'm not really all that worried tbh. If the Republicans start throwing Homosexuals and Transexuals in camps like the Nazis, modern day people will speak up and do something about it. It would also be impossible to keep secret thanks to the internet, and our economy would be destroyed when the world blacklists us like they did Russia.

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Sayoria
04/29/22 4:38:14 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
If the Republicans start throwing Homosexuals and Transexuals in camps like the Nazis, modern day people will speak up and do something about it.

People already are speaking up.

For one, it shouldn't get to that point, and two, kids are already sent to 'corrective/conversion therapies' to force them straight or to deny who they are. This has been a thing for decades.

If this isn't already far enough, I don't know how much further we need to go before we try to stop this discrimination.

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Southernfatman
04/29/22 4:39:23 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
I'm not really all that worried tbh. If the Republicans start throwing Homosexuals and Transexuals in camps like the Nazis, modern day people will speak up and do something about it. It would also be impossible to keep secret thanks to the internet, and our economy would be destroyed when the world blacklists us like they did Russia.

Most people are too cowardly and cowed to do anything besides complain on the internet about it (including myself before someone says anything) and other countries wouldn't want to risk their own economies to hurt the US.

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PlantBased
04/29/22 4:40:42 PM
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AssassinFox posted...
No, but there is a huge fucking difference between "LGBT+ rights are going to be restricted, potentially leading to a gradual increase in hate crimes and potential criminalization many years down the line" and "LGBT+ people are all going to be executed by the Republican death squads tomorrow!!!!1111"
Nobody said tomorrow but the fascists are working very fast, faster than you want to admit which is why you make an obviously facetious remarks about the timeline. There's no way a reasonable person can look at what all has happened in the span of five or six years and tell people they're overreacting.

AssassinFox posted...
Such as?
Fascist coup attempt, huge resurgence of American Nazism, a huge attack on abortion rights that were long considered settled law culminating with a supreme court poised to overturn Roe, oligarchs overtly championing fascism, and a bunch of other shit that I'm sure you'll conveniently handwave.

AssassinFox posted...
"Shut the fuck up" is an incredibly common refrain on this site when people can't refute what others are saying.
There is no refuting you because you get off on being wrong and inflammatory about sensitive subjects. You'll always find a way to live up to that. The only thing left for you to do is shut the fuck up.

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TheOtherMike
04/29/22 5:00:00 PM
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AssassinFox posted...
You certainly implied it in Post #36; see the bolded part:

Quote where I said anything about if or when that attempt will happen.

AssassinFox posted...
Given that "the next coup attempt" is most likely to happen during/after the next election, the implication is clear.

These are your words, not mine. This is your erroneous inference, not my implication.

AssassinFox posted...
And other people in this thread

I'm not "other people in this thread."

AssassinFox posted...
Sure, although I haven't seen any examples of Republicans in power stating that trans people and their supporters should be lined up and shot.

Have you seen the examples of explicitly anti-LGBT legislation coming out of Red states? Where, precisely, are you suggesting it ends?

AssassinFox posted...
That is an extremely fringe position, and you know it.

The fact that he feels emboldened enough to say it says quite a bit in itself. These are hardly unpopular opinions among the right.

AssassinFox posted...
I could just as easily find examples of black people saying white people should all be lined up and shot, or feminists saying "Kill all men"; would that mean that those are mainstream positions on the left?

Are these legitimate candidates for office who were former lawmakers? Did I say these were mainstream positions?

AssassinFox posted...
And I am interested in a good faith discussion on this issue.

Obviously not, given you're wasting my time forcing me to correct your deliberate misrepresentation of my comments.

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TheOtherMike
04/29/22 5:00:05 PM
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AssassinFox posted...
I'm simply asking how you get from those examples to the idea that making being LGBT+ a capital offense is right around the corner.

Again, quote the fucking post where I say this is right around the corner. Actually don't. You're only going to triple down on misrepresenting what I said. Just shut the fuck up already.

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