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What rationale did you have to sabotage my games. What was the pro-town play there?

If you can convince me you didn't do it to just try and make the game about you (AGAIN), maybe I'll let you live.

Lopen posted...

Trust me wanting you dead has nothing to do with my alignment or yours for that matter.

You're right, I don't think actually you're scum. That being said I don't think you're nearly as obviously town as you're claiming either. Like maybe the odds of you being scum aren't super high but it's a day 1 and I don't rightly care right now.

I don't see why basically stalling the game for two hours when I said we could continue discussing other things is a pro-town play in any way. If you can rationalize that I'll maybe MAYBE consider not killing you.

I don't see how taking ~2 hours off the game to get some dinner and some chores done classifies as "stalling the game". Anyone who knows me knew there was a 0% chance I'd be back before 10:01. I don't make promises like that half heartedly.

If you're town, you vote for Chang or SBell because they're highly suspected players worth a lot of information. I've already said who I'd be voting for right now. Chang is doing virtually nothing in this game.

Lopen posted...

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What rationale did you have to sabotage my games. What was the pro-town play there?

If you can convince me you didn't do it to just try and make the game about you (AGAIN), maybe I'll let you live.

I don't think your games have value. I think they're going to be a waste of time that no one looks back at tomorrow.

I just don't get it...like moon it is a simple ask and simple questions and moon is refusing to do sooo i really dont get this

I dont see the reason why lopen wanting Answers makes him look scummy? You avoiding to answer looks worse atleast to me...

Crescent-Moon posted...

I don't see how taking ~2 hours off the game to get some dinner and some chores done classifies as "stalling the game". Anyone who knows me knew there was a 0% chance I'd be back before 10:01. I don't make promises like that half heartedly.

If you're town, you vote for Chang or SBell because they're highly suspected players worth a lot of information. I've already said who I'd be voting for right now. Chang is doing virtually nothing in this game.

You also have repeatedly said that you checked out specifically because you were being asked questions.

Because here's the thing

You don't need to convince me you're town. I don't give a damn if you're town right now. Call it not playing to win whatever. You need to convince me that you weren't doing it just to try and undermine my authority as king because you didn't want to play along. You need to convince me that you're not trying to just get the glory of SOLVING THE GAME for yourself.

This is a team game. It's time to learn some humility and stop trying to flood the game with tangents into yourself.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I just don't get it...like moon it is a simple ask and simple questions and moon is refusing to do sooo i really dont get this

I dont see the reason why lopen wanting Answers makes him look scummy? You avoiding to answer looks worse atleast to me...

I'd rather scumhunt people for legitimate reasons.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

You also have repeatedly said that you checked out specifically because you were being asked questions.

That doesn't mean I "stalled the game".

It just meant I wasn't going to post for ~2 hours.

Crescent-Moon posted...

I don't think your games have value. I think they're going to be a waste of time that no one looks back at tomorrow.

Why? How does forcing people to answer questions not have value?

Lopen posted...

Because here's the thing

You don't need to convince me you're town. I don't give a damn if you're town right now. Call it not playing to win whatever. You need to convince me that you weren't doing it just to try and undermine my authority as king because you didn't want to play along. You need to convince me that you're not trying to just get the glory of SOLVING THE GAME for yourself.

This is a team game. It's time to learn some humility and stop trying to flood the game with tangents into yourself.

I don't give a crap about things like glory. I care about winning the game. If you think I care about notoriety, you have no idea how to read me.

Lopen posted...

Why? How does forcing people to answer questions not have value?

"You have a power and you have no idea what it does. Who do you use it on, and why?"

...How do questions like this help the game?

You would rather try and strongarm your way out of trying to let someone control the game than actually try and use that avenue of that someone controlling the game to help solve the game

It is 100% ego.

Actually I have a counter-proposition.

Explain to me the value of such a question, and I'll answer it.

Lopen posted...

You would rather try and strongarm your way out of trying to let someone control the game than actually try and use that avenue of that someone controlling the game to help solve the game

It is 100% ego.

If you think it's helpful in solving the game, show me.

Lopen tried. It's hard to come up with like 30 good questions lol

Lopen posted...

You start the next day with the ability to ##Jump and must declare a target for the action. You are not told what the ability does. What do you do?

Like let's start here. Show me how any answer I could possibly give to this question in any way helps solve the game.

The jump question was just fun fluff, but gauging how much effort someone put into answering it had value

Scare or red is fairly obvious I think. Forcing people to give reads on small groups of players. I also think forcing no lynch over scare in particular is very suspect. For instance I really did not like Plum's answer to this question.

Target bomb is the same kinda thing but I intentionally did not provide the voter list because it gave us some info-- would the person reconstruct the list themselves, how much effort would they put into deciding from that list, how much attention were they paying to the end of day rush

To be fair if Lopen really wanted to kill moon I think he would have by now. I legit think he just wasn't answer and wants moon to play as a team but what do i know

You disappoint me as King Lopen. I expected someone that would stick to their guns.

I don't want to kill moon but I am legitimately annoyed (OR FAKING CAUSE LOL SCUM WANTS TO KING KILL HER INSTEAD OF JUST NIGHT KILLING HER) and if she keeps acting like she's obvious town and how she would be so much better at being king I'll lop her head off out of principle.

My answer to question 3 is already implied by being clear Chang is currently my #1 based on his utter lack of play today. I still don't like Ben, but Chang feels like he's been hiding this game. Ben has felt like he's hiding only at times.

Answer two I have no idea. Scare overreacted to your posts about Han but I've seen overreactions like that from town Scare. Red I think is town. I don't have any real answer to give.

PunishedBen posted...

I would kill lopen, but only after the trials are over

This was my amswer to question 3 Ben, not question 2

IfGodCouldDie posted...

You disappoint me as King Lopen. I expected someone that would stick to their guns.

Interesting. Ben and Ulti both make it clear they think I'm town and that they don't think Lopen's going to vote me. Tidus and Sultan call it scummy.

Your only comment is to.. Push Lopen into killing me. Not even a comment on my alignment? This looks really bad.

IGCD is awesome, man.

I wish I cared a bit less about good mafia track record and such. I'd just yolo obliterate Crescent right now

IfGodCouldDie posted... Should have played along or voted for me Crescent.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

He is King and told you what would happen if you didn't participate. If the King doesn't follow through how would his subjects respect him?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

You also have repeatedly said that you checked out specifically because you were being asked questions.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

You disappoint me as King Lopen. I expected someone that would stick to their guns.

These are his only four posts since I returned. Vibes very very badly.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Interesting. Ben and Ulti both make it clear they think I'm town and that they don't think Lopen's going to vote me. Tidus and Sultan call it scummy.

Your only comment is to.. Push Lopen into killing me. Not even a comment on my alignment? This looks really bad.

Don't care!

Crescent-Moon posted...

These are his only four posts since I returned. Vibes very very badly.

Don't care!

IGCD is either scum or town so embarrassing he shouldn't play mafia and it's sad that I can't tell which.

Crescent-Moon posted...

IGCD is either scum or town so embarrassing he shouldn't play mafia and it's sad that I can't tell which.

Funny I thought the same about you

Lopen posted...

Funny I thought the same about you

zzzzzz

I'm game solving and you have my #1 scumread. I'm not sure what else is necessary from me.

Crescent-Moon posted...

IGCD is either scum or town so embarrassing he shouldn't play mafia and it's sad that I can't tell which.

Cry moar

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Cry moar

Oh ok IGCD is town who doesn't actually care about my alignment and wants to be openly antagonistic towards me instead.

This one comment was all I needed. Awful town. Next.

Playing the game without the need to lead town is a valuable part of mafia. You overload the town's bandwidth with stupid crap sometimes. You accuse me of having dumb questions but I think we wasted a lot of time early because you were droning on and on about dumb stuff early in the day. I had to get the town on track of "Hey, King, guys?"

Here is the question do you think I'm scum? If not what purpose does goading me serve.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Oh ok IGCD is town who doesn't actually care about my alignment and wants to be openly antagonistic towards me instead.

This one comment was all I needed. Awful town. Next.

You're the one shit talking me for absolutely no reason, treat others the way you want to be treated or else you might not like the way they treat you.

Oh and just in case and in no particular order:

Town leans:

Tidus
Sultan
IGCD
Red

Scum leans:
Chang
SBell
Ben

Though the way Ben defended me is a bit reminiscent of Elden Ring.

Oh and speaking of hiding I forgot Ranagrande was even in the game until I just looked at the player list. Pretty decent scum equity there.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

You're the one shit talking me for absolutely no reason, treat others the way you want to be treated or else you might not like the way they treat you.

I said your posts vibed poorly and you got hostile about them. Your posts look like scum trying to railroad a town.

Lopen posted...

Playing the game without the need to lead town is a valuable part of mafia. You overload the town's bandwidth with stupid crap sometimes. You accuse me of having dumb questions but I think we wasted a lot of time early because you were droning on and on about dumb stuff early in the day. I had to get the town on track of "Hey, King, guys?"

Here is the question do you think I'm scum? If not what purpose does goading me serve.

So basically the Changmas school that scumhunting early day one is a waste of time. Good to know.

No his posts look like he's having fun and trying to cheer on bloodshed like he said he was going to

Scum would try to be actually convincing about it

If you were able to get your head out of "anyone who wants me dead is scum" you would see that pretty easily

Oh and Sultan suspecting me jives entirely with his inability to see the game in anything other than black and white, like he did in Psych Mafia. My town lean on him got even stronger when he got suspicious of me.

Lopen posted...

No his posts look like he's having fun and trying to cheer on bloodshed like he said he was going to

Scum would try to be actually convincing about it

If you were able to get your head out of "anyone who wants me dead is scum" you would see that pretty easily

Actually I figured out he was town pretty easily by doing it!

Crescent-Moon posted...

So basically the Changmas school that scumhunting early day one is a waste of time. Good to know.

Don't take 20 posts to do scum hunting that can be done in 2

Lopen posted...

Don't take 20 posts to do scum hunting that can be done in 2

Yep that's probably never happening. I post my thoughts when I get them, and often end up with a chain of 3 small posts that could've been 1 long post if I'd gathered them all at once.

ADHD brain and all~

Crescent-Moon posted...

I said your posts vibed poorly and you got hostile about them. Your posts look like scum trying to railroad a town.

This was the post that started my hostility towards you and it came before I started being hostile.
Crescent-Moon posted...

town so embarrassing he shouldn't play mafia

Crescent-Moon posted...

Oh and Sultan suspecting me jives entirely with his inability to see the game in anything other than black and white, like he did in Psych Mafia. My town lean on him got even stronger when he got suspicious of me.

You're litterally doing exactly what Lopen is saying soo thanks for the insult but youre doing exactly what he is saying i don't get your play her at all

Sometimes in mafia shutting up and letting other people post will find scum better than you flooding the topic with your own thoughts

It's often more valuable than your own posts if you don't have a strong lead to pursue, because if your lead isn't strong you trying to pursue one takes attention away from other people who might have found a better lead than you

IfGodCouldDie posted...

This was the post that started my hostility towards you and it came before I started being hostile.

Your response gave me huge town vibes.

I've gotten all I needed from you, you can go back into the pile now.

Lopen posted...

Sometimes in mafia shutting up and letting other people post will find scum better than you flooding the topic with your own thoughts

It's often more valuable than your own posts if you don't have a strong lead to pursue, because if your lead isn't strong you trying to pursue one takes attention away from other people who might have found a better lead than you

When no one is being active, it makes me more active to fill in the void. Basically nothing happened in the first night of the game, which triggered me to keep pushing it on my own. It's bloody well obvious if you look at the way I was posting before I went to bed.

For instance last game day 1 I thought Death was a little scummy and put a small attack on him.

If you has that same read I had in that game we probably don't lynch Tidus because you're being too distracting about it and just railroading super hard into Death the whole time

You filling the game with fluff just makes a 300 post topic people don't want to read as much as a smaller 100 post topic.

Ease of digestion is important

Lopen posted...

For instance last game day 1 I thought Death was a little scummy and put a small attack on him.

If you has that same read I had in that game we probably don't lynch Tidus because you're being too distracting about it and just railroading super hard into Death the whole time

If people were more active at the start of this game I'd have posted less. This is a hard fact.

My percentage by volume of posts is directly proportional to a game's activity. If we have a 4 topic day 1, I will have less post volume than I will if we have a 2 topic day 1, because I'll have more voices that are not my own to listen to.

When town isn't pushing I push town. I would have been on that Tidus lynch. He basically claimed scum.