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Dathrowed1
04/18/22 10:39:19 AM
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61134734

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Tyranthraxus
04/18/22 10:51:09 AM
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It's kind of fucking (evil) genius tbh.

  • Propose Qur'an burning
  • This creates unrest among Muslims
  • Use the unrest to get support for and pass a bunch of far right anti Islam laws

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Guns_of_Verdun
04/18/22 12:29:17 PM
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Banning books is stupid and the people who do it are fucking idiots.

That said you have the right to destroy your own property if you wish too.

"It's my religion" is no exception.

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scar the 1
04/18/22 12:31:31 PM
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There's a topic already

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s0nicfan
04/18/22 12:32:13 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
This creates unrest among Muslims

Does it? Go into any topic with people talking about the riots and you'll find plenty of posters saying that this isn't indicative of Muslims around the world. Wouldn't it be better to say that this creates unrest among violent religious extremists rather than paint the entire religion in a broad brush like this? Because if people are going to use "it might cause normal everyday Muslims to go into a violent frenzy" as justification for condemning the original book burning then I think we need to reevaluate the extent to which Islam is harmful to society.

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GawainNerevar
04/18/22 12:32:42 PM
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You saw the giant topic about this and decided you needed to get in on some of the attention eh?

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Dathrowed1
04/18/22 1:09:00 PM
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GawainNerevar posted...
You saw the giant topic about this and decided you needed to get in on some of the attention eh?
No I didn't actually. Oh I looked up "Qur'an"/"Quran" and not "Sweden"

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Tyranthraxus
04/18/22 1:41:50 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Does it? Go into any topic with people talking about the riots and you'll find plenty of posters saying that this isn't indicative of Muslims around the world. Wouldn't it be better to say that this creates unrest among violent religious extremists rather than paint the entire religion in a broad brush like this? Because if people are going to use "it might cause normal everyday Muslims to go into a violent frenzy" as justification for condemning the original book burning then I think we need to reevaluate the extent to which Islam is harmful to society.

Well I'd imagine the majority of Muslims are offended even if they don't express this. Only a tiny minority of extreme fundamentalists go out setting cars on fire but other moderate Muslims will just complain online and the far right propaganda machine will lump the two together as car-burners + supporters of car-burners creating a picture that the problem is more widespread than it actually is.

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Flauros
04/18/22 1:48:31 PM
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I saw the videos. Looks like thousands of people screaming and throwing shit at cops all over what? Just a book burning? Why do they get so upset over this shit?

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s0nicfan
04/18/22 1:49:49 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Well I'd imagine the majority of Muslims are offended even if they don't express this. Only a tiny minority of extreme fundamentalists go out setting cars on fire but other moderate Muslims will just complain online and the far right propaganda machine will lump the two together as car-burners + supporters of car-burners creating a picture that the problem is more widespread than it actually is.

Offended, sure, but that's a totally different thing. I wouldn't call that "creating unrest" at least. The bigger problem in this case isn't the handful of car burners, though, but the nations recalling envoys to register a formal national complaints over Sweden allowing it to happen in the first place.

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Dathrowed1
04/18/22 2:15:48 PM
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Flauros posted...
I saw the videos. Looks like thousands of people screaming and throwing shit at cops all over what? Just a book burning? Why do they get so upset over this shit?
Many Muslims hold the Qur'an as sacred

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gmanthebest
04/18/22 4:38:29 PM
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Flauros posted...
I saw the videos. Looks like thousands of people screaming and throwing shit at cops all over what? Just a book burning? Why do they get so upset over this shit?
Because they're babies. It's just a fucking book

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FortuneCookie
04/18/22 4:45:52 PM
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Public burning of holy books should be considered a hate crime.

I can respect wanting to stand up to bullies, but not targeting an entire group to offend a small portion of them. There's no good in this action whatsoever. It's just aggression for the sake of aggression.
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gmanthebest
04/18/22 4:47:09 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
Public burning of holy books should be considered a hate crime.

I can respect wanting to stand up to bullies, but not targeting an entire group to offend a small portion of them. There's no good in this action whatsoever. It's just aggression for the sake of aggression.
Thankfully you're not the one making the rules

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FortuneCookie
04/18/22 4:58:29 PM
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"I should be allowed to provoke anyone I want.."
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gmanthebest
04/18/22 5:01:08 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
"I should be allowed to provoke anyone I want.."
"I should be allowed to attack someone over a fucking book"

What a joke of a person

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FortuneCookie
04/18/22 5:05:48 PM
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Yes, a book. That's what the issue is. They're not trying to intimidate members of a religious group. They're getting into an argument over what books to read.

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gmanthebest
04/18/22 5:08:49 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
Yes, a book. That's what the issue is. They're not trying to intimidate members of a religious group. They're getting into an argument over what books to read.

<_<
Sounds like people just need to get over it. If you don't like the idea of me burning a book, you don't have to watch me do it. Almost like acting like an adult is beyond some people.

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s0nicfan
04/18/22 5:18:52 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
Yes, a book. That's what the issue is. They're not trying to intimidate members of a religious group. They're getting into an argument over what books to read.

<_<

You're still not allowed to riot and burn shit down because someone burned your holy book, no matter HOW "intimidating" that act may be. He could have stood there and said "I wish every single person who practices this religion was wiped from the face of the earth" and they STILL wouldn't have right to riot. Rather than pretend that Muslims are some uncontrollable force of nature how about you treat them like the responsible adults they are and hold the individuals involved accountable for flying into a violent mob rather then pretend like they just couldn't help themselves?

And if you're seriously calling this guy's incendiary stunt "intimidation" then what words do you reserve for the angry mob that burned shit down in response. Is that not "intimidation" as well?

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FortuneCookie
04/18/22 5:33:16 PM
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I'm not justifying rioting either.
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Questionmarktarius
04/18/22 5:38:14 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
It's kind of fucking (evil) genius tbh.

* Propose Qur'an burning
* This creates unrest among Muslims
* Use the unrest to get support for and pass a bunch of far right anti Islam laws
If a book and a lighter is all it takes to make you freak the fuck out and burn down part of town, who's the real bad guy here?
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GawainNerevar
04/18/22 5:45:23 PM
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A few cars burned = "burn down part of the town"

Lmao CE

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s0nicfan
04/18/22 5:48:43 PM
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GawainNerevar posted...
A few cars burned = "burn down part of the town"

Lmao CE

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61134734
Sweden's national police chief, Anders Thornberg, said he had never seen such violent riots following Sunday's clashes in Norrkoping, which is about 160km (99 miles) south-west of Stockholm, and nearby Linkoping.

The two cites also witnessed riots on Friday, along with the Stockholm suburb of Rinkeby and the western city of Orebro. On Saturday, there was a riot in the southern city of Malmo.

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chrono625
04/18/22 5:49:09 PM
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GawainNerevar posted...
A few cars burned = "burn down part of the town"

Lmao CE

why should even a few cars be burned at all?

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GawainNerevar
04/18/22 6:06:04 PM
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chrono625 posted...
why should even a few cars be burned at all?
They shouldn't be! But far-right literal neo-nazi politicians shouldn't be spreading hate either. And we shouldn't be pretending the "destruction" is worse than it was

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iPhone_7
04/18/22 6:19:41 PM
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It should be considered a hate crime and carry prison time. Also just a few cars got destroyed, and it was fiery but mostly peaceful protests.

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Master Kazuya
04/18/22 6:27:21 PM
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gmanthebest posted...
Sounds like people just need to get over it. If you don't like the idea of me burning a book, you don't have to watch me do it. Almost like acting like an adult is beyond some people.

Idk man I agree with you overall but Idk if I would take it as far. If someone was shouting racial obscenities on the train or something, it's not like I think they deserve life in prison but I am okay with them getting punished/removed in some way for trying to disrupt people's peace. You could be an adult and just wait for your train stop but someone intentionally trying to break everyone keeping peace is pretty lame. If you wanna burn the Quran or whatever book, be an adult and burn that shit in private without bothering other people. Being an adult also means leaving other adults the hell alone and letting them get on with their day, physically and emotionally. No need to try and start shit if you know that all you wanna do is start shit.

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Tyranthraxus
04/18/22 6:41:02 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
Public burning of holy books should be considered a hate crime.

I can respect wanting to stand up to bullies, but not targeting an entire group to offend a small portion of them. There's no good in this action whatsoever. It's just aggression for the sake of aggression.

How do you have a fucking hate crime with no victim?

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Middle hope
04/18/22 6:45:42 PM
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GawainNerevar posted...
A few cars burned = "burn down part of the town"

Lmao CE
I would consider any area that gets burnt by rioting idiots to be a "part of town".

I dont know why you slurp fiery protesters so much.

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GawainNerevar
04/18/22 6:46:10 PM
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Middle hope posted...
I would consider any area that gets burnt by rioting idiots to be a "part of town".

I dont know why you slurp fiery protesters so much.
This is just sad

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EmbraceOfDeath
04/18/22 6:46:33 PM
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Fuck religion and anyone who coddles religious people. I can't stand that religion is involved constantly in our government; is it okay to riot and burn things over that? I have a suspicion that people defending this shit would have a lot to say.

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Middle hope
04/18/22 6:47:43 PM
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GawainNerevar posted...
This is just sad
You're fucking sad. You just jump to defending your favorite groups no matter what. I dont get the blind devotion.

Do you owe them money?

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GawainNerevar
04/18/22 6:50:47 PM
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lmao "my favorite groups"

What the fuck does that even mean

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Tyranthraxus
04/18/22 6:54:03 PM
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Middle hope posted...
You're fucking sad. You just jump to defending your favorite groups no matter what. I dont get the blind devotion.

Do you owe them money?
You're talking to an April 2022 account with 5 karma

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gmanthebest
04/18/22 7:28:14 PM
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GawainNerevar posted...
This is just sad
Know what else is just sad?

Rioting over a book being burned

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FortuneCookie
04/18/22 7:34:44 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
How do you have a fucking hate crime with no victim?

Intimidation, attempting to incite violence, etc.
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BalanceLost
04/19/22 12:40:21 AM
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GawainNerevar posted...
And we shouldn't be pretending the "destruction" is worse than it was
At least one city bus was put on fire WITH CIVILIANS INSIDE. That they all made it out without getting burned to death is pure luck.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/0/0/AANvmLAADJfU.jpg

Some police officers are in the ICU. Fuck you for downplaying this.

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BalanceLost
04/19/22 12:50:23 AM
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Burning religious books does not fall under our hate crime laws. Paludan is a despicable person but he followed the law. Freedom of assembly and right to protest laws.

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GawainNerevar
04/19/22 12:50:49 AM
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BalanceLost posted...
Some police officers are in the ICU. [lol modded] you for downplaying this.
Yes, clearly I'm "downplaying this" and it's not that the articles I saw said nothing about a bus (and the article I just saw now says a bus caught fire, not that it was "set on fire with civilians inside" but I'll take your word for it)

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Questionmarktarius
04/19/22 1:04:41 AM
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BalanceLost posted...
Burning religious books does not fall under our hate crime laws.
If free speech has an exemption for blasphemy, then what's the point?
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DeadBankerDream
04/19/22 1:07:06 AM
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GawainNerevar posted...
Yes, clearly I'm "downplaying this"
Literally your MO, yes.

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GawainNerevar
04/19/22 1:13:50 AM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
Literally your MO, yes.
My MO is downplaying what exactly?

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FelineCyborg
04/19/22 1:18:25 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
It's kind of fucking (evil) genius tbh.

* Propose Qur'an burning
* This creates unrest among Muslims
* Use the unrest to get support for and pass a bunch of far right anti Islam laws

its like being in an abusive relationship

*neglects and cheats on partner*

omg you are so emotional and too sensitive! im breaking up with you!

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scar the 1
04/19/22 1:44:04 AM
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The bus incident happened one or two days later than the other cars burning AFAIK which might be why you didn't see it in the same reporting. You're right that it's a bit of an exaggeration to say that "a part of town" was on fire. But it's been a while since Sweden saw such violent riots.

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ZeroV2
04/19/22 1:50:12 AM
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I wonder how many people would be ok with radical extremists burning their car and think well I dont agree with the action but I understand it

you must be very well off to think that because most people would be furious

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