Current Events > Overweight single mothers are desperate for a boyfriend.

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Men and women have shit dating prospects.

In my opinion, men have a rougher mental consequence. As being undesirable is worse than being seen at a surface level, imo.

Why head on to a hookup app if you're looking for a long term relationship? Surely there are ones to suit that.

BlackBlueButts posted...

Why head on to a hookup app if you're looking for a long term relationship? Surely there are ones to suit that.

People still using the relationship apps for hook-ups in my experience. They just think they might meet a higher quality of people on them.

At the end of the day you're still talking to a stranger online it's hard to know what you want from them til you meet them

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Statistics take years to catch up with the massive shift in dating in just the last 5 years. Maybe once upon time a short guy(considered undesirable by the overwhelming majority of women) could find a relationship. However with online dating and a pandemic that forced people to stay home and solely do online dating their chances are gone. Plus 5"7 maybe technically short but to the average person they would appear tall or average.once you get 5"4 and below your odds go to the single digits

This thread devolved so quickly. I wasn't even talking about the dating world for men vs. women or anything like that -- I was just saying the gamer nerd would turn down the overweight mom before the reverse, because the gamer is probably fatphobic as you can see all over here and Reddit.

Gladius isn't saying anything that's wrong, and the other posters have slight points although there's some exaggeration. There's a really good Counterpoints video about dating from both sides that sums up everything nicely.

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I think what you see around here and online is a lot of guys in cities. The average salary where I live is closer to $80,000 and $107,000 is considered "comfortable." This type of environment prices out a lot of guys from the dating pool. Message boards like this also necessarily self-select for the types of dudes who are more shy.

I also live in a city that skews male which makes it a hypergamy wonderland. Even in places which aren't, I observe a lot of couples where the woman makes more money and/or has a white collar job and prefers a "traditionally masculine" guy who lifts boxes or something like that, drinks beer, and has tattoos. I've seen these terms specified on dating apps. So, it's hard to find a market for guys like us between that and bankers/tech workers who keep a harem to blow some of their pocket change.

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But that's exactly the point. An overweight women who is not the average can easily get someone. A 5'4 male who is not the average can get no one. So overweight are not desparate and have infinite options

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That's simply not true. A bevy of desirable guys settle for this on a daily basis

Some incel vibes itt

LordYeezus posted...

How to get a girlfriend:

1.Don't be shy

True

2.Don't play video games

Nah, that doesn't matter

bobbaaay posted...

This thread devolved so quickly. I wasn't even talking about the dating world for men vs. women or anything like that -- I was just saying the gamer nerd would turn down the overweight mom before the reverse, because the gamer is probably fatphobic as you can see all over here and Reddit.

Gladius isn't saying anything that's wrong, and the other posters have slight points although there's some exaggeration. There's a really good Counterpoints video about dating from both sides that sums up everything nicely.

Fatphobic... Most men probably can't even get hard for a girl who's too fat.

I have a few friends who like to consider themselves woke and would say they'd date girls of all sizes, but when push comes to shove they definitely don't want a fat girl.

I just think girls, who yes also have physical preferences, are far more likely to look past them

So my issue with the topic is implying it's only incels who reject/don't like fat girls. It's all guys. Luckily weight can be changed so this situation isn't as dire as it sounds

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Domestic violence by women is grossly underreported and if it is reported the man is often told to man up so I'm willing to bet it's a two way street in those relationships

haloiscoolisbak posted...

Fatphobic... Most men probably can't even get hard for a girl who's too fat.

I have a few friends who like to consider themselves woke and would say they'd date girls of all sizes, but when push comes to shove they definitely don't want a fat girl.

I just think girls, who yes also have physical preferences, are far more likely to look past them and evaluate a person with way more weighting on personality

So my issue with the topic is implying it's only incels who reject/don't like fat girls. It's all guys. Luckily weight can be changed so this situation isn't as dire as it sounds

This is sooo short-sighted. It's MOSTLY incels who don't like "fat" girls, because they're calling any woman bigger than a 10 year old boy fat.
And my preference is women who are around 150-200lbs. Am I not all guys or something, then?

bobbaaay posted...

This is sooo short-sighted. It's MOSTLY incels who don't like "fat" girls, because they're calling any woman bigger than a 10 year old boy fat.
And my preference is women who are around 150-200lbs. Am I not all guys or something, then?

Can you prove its mostly incels?

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This is true, unfortunately

To be blunt, overweight mothers can easily get laid, but once they start going for a real relationship, their choices often start drying up in terms of "decent" men.

Look at all the so called "forever alone" guys in this thread who still thumb their noses at a woman who has a kid, or even worse, carries some extra weight.

I shouldn't have looked in this thread. It kinda pisses me off.

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But it does not suck for women. An overweight single mother would easily find another men to offer her security. A short men considered undesirable by women could not

orcus_snake posted...

hilarious as that may be

why is that hilarious

bsp77 posted...

This is true, unfortunately

To be blunt, overweight mothers can easily get laid, but once they start going for a real relationship, their choices often start drying up in terms of "decent" men.

Look at all the so called "forever alone" guys in this thread who still thumb their noses at a woman who has a kid, or even worse, carries some extra weight.

I shouldn't have looked in this thread. It kinda pisses me off.

You can leave if it "pisses you off"

assassingriskel posted...

You can leave if it "pisses you off"

You can get a life

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For some people it is

bsp77 posted...

You can get a life

I thought you were "pissed off"

bobbaaay posted...

This is sooo short-sighted. It's MOSTLY incels who don't like "fat" girls, because they're calling any woman bigger than a 10 year old boy fat.
And my preference is women who are around 150-200lbs. Am I not all guys or something, then?

Don't even know what to say to this. For starters weight alone doesn't indicate much without height to go by.

If you truly prefer women who are in the overweight category(using BMI metrics) rather than average or below average weight, good for you though I'm very sceptical. And you must realise you're in the minority

I dunno if you have many male friends or what but I'm basing it on that

The issue about how incels consider 10 pounds overweight to be fat is hardly relevant to the thread where it assumes the girl is objectively overweight.

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You said it yourself some women convince themselves they do consider this security. It's irrelevant whether it's objectively secure fact is a lot of women do find security in it

Orlando_Jordan posted...

Shy guys who play video games are desperate for a girlfriend.

Not necessarily true. Im a shy guy that plays video games but Im not in any need or want of a girlfriend. Im perfectly content being alone.

That is just a normal girlfriend. A single mom with a kid? Especially when I dont want kids? Hard pass. That doesnt even include looks

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I'm not sure how this addresses the overall subject. To be clear, I'm working off the facts which state that fewer men have sex than women and more men die alone and, as someone else has noted, how these trends have only increased in recent years. My observations are that the solution is much more complex than one side lowering their standards (even if it's something changeable like salary or weight as opposed to height or race) or changing through their preferences.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/7/1/AAP15pAADG_f.jpg

It's a supply and demand issue. Without blaming anyone in particular, it's apparent that fewer men than women are meeting the demands of the opposite sex.

https://time.com/6104105/more-single-men-than-women/

OK, so you may be thinking, "well, if each man finds one woman and vice versa, then eventually each man will find a woman if they settle." Not necessarily. All men from the ages of early adulthood to retirement age are competing for a narrow set of women in the 18-35ish age range. That range will move a bit depending on the age set and desirability of men we're looking at, but essentially, it's fertile women we're mostly competing to lock down. Sure, there are exceptions, but it's still rare to see a young man with a significantly older woman and rarer for it to stick. The opposite is common.

The trend of men keeping a loose harem and women serial dating men who could take or leave them before establishing a long-term relationship with a younger woman is going to continue. That and viable men cycling through their third, fourth, and fifth wives before those women likely never marry again.

We're going to see more spinsters/single moms and more angry/cynical/dejected young men.These populations simply don't want each other, although I suspect many of the younger men would take sex if that were an option. It's a mismatch of roles. Same problem with the least desirable for other traits, such as race. I won't get into that because it's even more sad and difficult a subject but you seem to understand what I mean.

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It's a myth that women want an end to toxic masculinity. There is a post a couple of pages back that shows most women want the stereotypical tall gruff male. So that lie can go right out the window

assassingriskel posted...

It's a myth that women want an end to toxic masculinity. There is a post a couple of pages back that shows most women want the stereotypical tall gruff male. So that lie can go right out the window

Most women I know do NOT want toxic masculinity at all. The big exception is that most women want men that have a certain level of assertiveness, but that should not be confused with toxic masculinity.

bsp77 posted...

Most women I know do NOT want toxic masculinity at all. The big exception is that most women want men that have a certain level of assertiveness, but that should not be confused with toxic masculinity.

Yeah you know and another poster posted the exact opposite in regards to the women in his city. People think they want something gone until it is then they want it back

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I respect your opinion but if I go outside I see the opposite. If I go to campus I see the opposite. If I go to other websites I see the opposite. Overwhelming evidence tells me toxic masculinity is the standard women want

haloiscoolisbak posted...

Don't even know what to say to this. For starters weight alone doesn't indicate much without height to go by.

If you truly prefer women who are in the overweight category(using BMI metrics) rather than average or below average weight, good for you though I'm very sceptical. And you must realise you're in the minority

I dunno if you have many male friends or what but I'm basing it on that

The issue about how incels consider 10 pounds overweight to be fat is hardly relevant to the thread where it assumes the girl is objectively overweight.

You know damn well that height isn't even going to matter to most incels with those numbers I gave
Even if a woman is nearing 6' tall they'd still think anything over 150# would be too heavy. IBW for a 6' tall woman would be exactly 150# +/- 5#.

Also the way that incels talk about weight they act as though I'm in a seeeeevere minority. I don't know man - there are dozens upon dozens of Reddit groups and whatnot for bbw that have hundreds of thousands of followers. I'm sure you could look at porn streaming sites and it'd be more than a dozen people looking up bbw.
Also just -- life experience? Most of my friends and most people I work with have "overweight" wives. I don't know what normie-ass utopia people live in where everyone supposedly makes six figures and is underweight? Even working in healthcare - in an area with relatively decent health indicators - I can say not every single person I work with or know is a "healthy" weight.
I'm sure preferring bigger women is the minority - but it's still a pretty sizable minority, pun not intended.

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I think the first point was arguing that women don't have more options than men, in which case the issue is the definition of an option. There seem to be more women with whom men want to fuck than there are men with whom women want to share a relationship. Whatever that means in the end is subjective.

As for a solution? I think these trends are biologically driven. These trends have coincided with the rise of birth control, legal abortions, women going to college, populations growing in urban areas and decreasing in rural areas, religion becoming less prominent, outsourcing manual labor to other countries, and women closing the earnings gap. Those aren't the only reasons, but they amount for a lot. So reversing all of that would certainly be one "solution" but maybe not one that most people want. Another could be a culture of arranged marriages which still exists in many cultures. I'm not being facetious. I really think that none of that is going to happen and more and more people are just going to write it off.

assassingriskel posted...

Yeah you know and another poster posted the exact opposite in regards to the women in his city. People think they want something gone until it is then they want it back

None of these women want it back though. I don't display toxic masculinity and do just fine with women. Same with my friends. I am admittedly assertive and confident though.

A lot of unsuccessful guys assume that the guys who get women are toxic, when they simply just know how to approach women. I think it makes some guys feel better about themselves to think that us "Chads" are terrible people. Note that I do not think of myself that way, and am only making a point.

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Yes but let's be honest a person can say their 6 ft and a women wouldn't know any better since on average she will be significantly shorter and has 0 frame of reference

assassingriskel posted...

I respect your opinion but if I go outside I see the opposite. If I go to campus I see the opposite. If I go to other websites I see the opposite. Overwhelming evidence tells me toxic masculinity is the standard women want

As I was just stating, how do you know they are toxic? I think you are making a leap there.

bsp77 posted...

As I was just stating, how do you know they are toxic? I think you are making a leap there.

Well let's take a step back. How would you even define toxic masculinity? Where does it cross over from masculinity to toxicity?

you wanna ride in 6...
you wanna dine in the 6...
but when i lean for the kiss,
you said "i'll probably send you some pics"

assassingriskel posted...

Well let's take a step back. How would you even define toxic masculinity? Where does it cross over from masculinity to toxicity?

For one thing, suppressing emotions other than anger and aggression. Trying to strongly adhere to male gender roles, and feeling like less of a man if that adherence slips at all.

One can be assertive and be in good shape without those extra issues. I think you see those two traits and think toxic masculinity.

Furthermore, I see plenty of more introverted, out of shape guys who still have girlfriends. So I don't buy the argument at all.

bsp77 posted...

For one thing, suppressing emotions other than anger and aggression. Trying to strongly adhere to male gender roles, and feeling like less of a man if that adherence slips at all.

One can be assertive and be in good shape without those extra issues. I think you see those two traits and think toxic masculinity.

Furthermore, I see plenty of more introverted, out of shape guys who still have girlfriends. So I don't buy the argument at all.

I see the exact opposite plenty of overweight women(who are not necessarily unattractive but that is the topic premise) with objectively good looking men. Plus online dating site stats back up this reality