Board 8 > Elden Ring Topic 13: DeathRoot

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You guys available to all same time with IGCD if we used our powers or not?

Corrik7 posted...

If Chang died, no one in their right mind would have assumed he died defending Chris. Like, it's ludicrous to me. You don't not protect who is supposedly town power that can outright win the game or confirm two people as town if he was roleblocked.

Like, if red was roleblocked last night, both him and chang are confirmed town. Hello?

I would've assumed he died protecting Chris as it's exactly what I would've done last night.

Crescent-Moon posted...

I would've assumed he died protecting Chris as it's exactly what I would've done last night.

I guess that's a good argument for you being scum, because it is ludicrous.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Also, if Chang is town (and he probably is), he's just RB fodder tonight that wastes that blessing in the first place.

who says the blessing is susceptible to such wasting

Chris was about as obvious town as Chris is ever going to get in a game.

That's all that really matters.

Good question.

Corrik7 posted...

I guess that's a good argument for you being scum, because it is ludicrous.

I came to the conclusion that Chris or myself were the only likely shots last night.

I came into this topic expecting to see one of us dead.

Also, I don't know but Good blessings when Town is mislynched and bad blessings when scum is lynched?

Is that possible? We had all good ratings every day, that might just be so you are able to get a message at all the next day.

Basically what it boils down to is I'm not letting you shade IGCD for something I agree with him on.

Crescent-Moon posted...

I came to the conclusion that Chris or myself were the only likely shots last night.

I came into this topic expecting to see one of us dead.

Also, your claim was changed and questionably. Don't think I didn't notice.

Corrik7 posted...

Also, I don't know but Good blessings when Town is mislynched and bad blessings when scum is lynched?

Is that possible? We had all good ratings every day, that might just be so you are able to get a message at all the next day.

that's an interesting theory. it could also just be as simple as that it alternates every other day

Corrik7 posted...

Also, I don't know but Good blessings when Town is mislynched and bad blessings when scum is lynched?

Is that possible? We had all good ratings every day, that might just be so you are able to get a message at all the next day.

I have a feeling it isn't related to the previous lynch. My guess would be the writer has some level of control of the power they put out there.

Corrik7 posted...

Also, your claim was changed and questionably. Don't think I didn't notice.

Don't think I don't notice you using my defense of IGCD as an excuse to sus me the moment Chris died.

Crescent-Moon posted...

I have a feeling it isn't related to the previous lynch. My guess would be the writer has some level of control of the power they put out there.

Curious choice to kill someone yesterday then.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Don't think I don't notice you using my defense of IGCD as an excuse to sus me the moment Chris died.

What?

Also i mentioned yesterday that the vote waffling is something way more likely to come from town. It looked good on Isquen because it appeared like he was genuinely trying.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Also i mentioned yesterday that the vote waffling is something way more likely to come from town. It looked good on Isquen because it appeared like he was genuinely trying.

While also saying Chris was so obviously town and IGCD is so obviously town. 2 of the 3 people who I think didn't waffle in votes.

Corrik7 posted...

What?

As soon as I saw Chris died I wondered how quickly you'd find an excuse to shade me.

Fact holds that I agree with IGCD.

Corrik7 posted...

While also saying Chris was so obviously town and IGCD is so obviously town. 2 of the 3 people who I think didn't waffle in votes.

IGCD was one of the votes the hell is he supposed to do?

Chris was obvious town the way his entire presence in joining the game clearly affected the scum gameplan, as I pointed out yesterday.

I don't think scum Isquen pretends to waffle. It just doesn't feel like something newbie scum does.

Anyways, regarding her claim.

Day 1 she said her role was actually BETTER than Unlynchable. And, that if she was lynched she would be even stronger or something for lynching Ulti and Isquen.

She also mentioned a tree of some sort and I said "I think she is claiming stump" or something along those lines.

Ulti said "Stump isn't better than unlynchable because they lose their vote". and I said "I know how stump works but I think she is claiming that".

So, your claim has changed from being stronger than unlynchable to worser than unlynchable. You claimed no one guessed your real role when I guessed it day 1.

But, it DOES explain why you were so adamant against being tested.

Crescent-Moon posted...

IGCD was one of the votes the hell is he supposed to do?

Chris was obvious town the way his entire presence in joining the game clearly affected the scum gameplan, as I pointed out yesterday.

I don't think scum Isquen pretends to waffle. It just doesn't feel like something newbie scum does.

He never voted to save himself. I'd argue maybe he would vote to save himself. Which is why I find it funny his reasoning for not voting yesterday and splintering was because "both were so obviously town"... like... lol...

Crescent-Moon posted...

I would've assumed he died protecting Chris as it's exactly what I would've done last night.

Same. Unless blocked which I was more expecting

When was I ever adamant about being voted for?

I practically told half the game I was fine with being lynched. MZero was the one vote after my claim I found particularly sus.

Crescent-Moon posted...

IGCD was one of the votes the hell is he supposed to do?

Chris was obvious town the way his entire presence in joining the game clearly affected the scum gameplan, as I pointed out yesterday.

I don't think scum Isquen pretends to waffle. It just doesn't feel like something newbie scum does.

I didn't even shade you. I said your claim changed and I noticed. The people I mentioned scum about so far is Red, Sultan, and Chang depending on how the roleblock situation plays out. Which is conditional.

Crescent-Moon posted...

When was I ever adamant about being voted for?

I practically told half the game I was fine with being lynched. MZero was the one vote after my claim I found particularly sus.

Not even sure if serious. You clearly were strongly against being tested.

Corrik7 posted...

If Chang died, no one in their right mind would have assumed he died defending Chris. Like, it's ludicrous to me. You don't not protect who is supposedly town power that can outright win the game or confirm two people as town if he was roleblocked.

Like, if red was roleblocked last night, both him and chang are confirmed town. Hello?

If Red was "roleblocked" that doesn't confirm anything. It could mean they are both scum that have tied themselves together or it could mean they are both town.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

If Red was "roleblocked" that doesn't confirm anything. It could mean they are both scum that have tied themselves together or it could mean they are both town.

There isn't 2 scum left. If they are both roleblocked, they are both town. Simple as that.

So, if red is roleblocked, Chang, Red, and Mzero are town. Unless Red targeted Sultan. Or (they purposely didn't use a roleblock today to "confirm" Red as town but it would still clear Chang).

Well, I guess it wouldn't clear Chang either now that I think about it.

Corrik7 posted...

He never voted to save himself. I'd argue maybe he would vote to save himself. Which is why I find it funny his reasoning for not voting yesterday and splintering was because "both were so obviously town"... like... lol...

Had I been the lynch yesterday everyone would know that there is a liar in the power claims. Which is why lynching a vanilla claim right now or going forward is dumb as long as the game state is where it is.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Had I been the lynch yesterday everyone would know that there is a liar in the power claims. Which is why lynching a vanilla claim right now or going forward is dumb as long as the game state is where it is.

Why is the liar in the power claims? I still don't know why you say this. Sheep and Chang both tried this and got proven that the liar could be anywhere.

Corrik7 posted...

There isn't 2 scum left. If they are both roleblocked, they are both town. Simple as that.

We don't know that for sure yet. Until we actually see the third party we don't know what the setup is. I'll admit Ulti dying to a power up makes it more likely that the messenger is third party or town, but it isn't guaranteed to have not been a gambit to try and confirm someone.

Corrik7 posted...

Why is the liar in the power claims? I still don't know why you say this. Sheep and Chang both tried this and got proven that the liar could be anywhere.

Because we have more actions claimed than I have observed. That means there is a liar among the power claims.

Ulti dying to it doesn't matter. He loves to do that as scum, but if they gave Chris a cop scan... then why? Especially if people think they can choose the gifts they give out. Why not save that one? It's pretty dangerous to give out. Though I guess Sbell did say he was trying to get it and Chris beat him to it.

PunishedBen posted...

Same. Unless blocked which I was more expecting

Ah screw it. I'm following my gut.

I feel like you and I ended yesterday very much on the same page. Both were town. Chris obvious save. Scum being a quieter, power claiming player.

I'm starting to feel like my early town list had a scum on it. A player who I called town for unvoting me as a snap reaction day 1, when it wasn't yet clear that scum was avoiding my lynch, who did virtually nothing yesterday, and who has gotten the "Ulti pass".

And I get the feeling you have the same player in mind.

Corrik is still probably 3p because scum Corrik knows coming after me is suicide.

Red and Chang being scum makes town very weak in a particular department.

I don't think it's you. I don't think it's IGCD. I don't think it's Isquen. Why did I clear Sultan again? I'm not sure on it anymore.

##Vote: Sultan

Sultan, after thinking things through last night, I accuse you. If you're town, show me I'm wrong.

I spent yesterday sitting back too much on what I thought was a town/town lynch and if I sit back again I believe town IGCD dies here. Not this time.

I'd actually argue that the message today says they don't get to choose them, but you can't trust the messenger so *shrug*

Corrik7 posted...

Not even sure if serious. You clearly were strongly against being tested.

I know you're 3P, but sit back from your conspiracy nonsense and watch me slaughter the last scum for you.

Chang, I doubt they are coming. Should we just claim if we acted or not?

It's amazing how as soon as Chris leaves the game Crescent becomes arrogant and insufferable again. *rolls eyes*

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Because we have more actions claimed than I have observed. That means there is a liar among the power claims.

You had more actions than you observed ONE night. The other night was exact.

That's the problem. If one power is lying, you have not enough one night and exact night 1. It causes a problem no matter who you choose. This is where Sheep and Chang were both like Oh...

Corrik7 posted...

It's amazing how as soon as Chris leaves the game Crescent becomes arrogant and insufferable again. *rolls eyes*

And what exactly have I done wrong other than Sheep Chris yesterday into a lynch I didn't agree on?

How is lynching the person I've zeroed in on with a real argument being "arrogant and insufferable?"

Get over yourself.

Corrik7 posted...

Chang, I doubt they are coming. Should we just claim if we acted or not?

it's only been an hour. i'm kinda down to wait a couple hours to see if they show up and then im fine to claim i guess

Really, the only thing that's changed since Chris died is you stopped hiding your misogyny and are making comments like that. I've done nothing today that warrants the insults.

And I am 90% sure Ben agrees with me on Sultan right now.

Crescent-Moon posted...

And what exactly have I done wrong other than Sheep Chris yesterday into a lynch I didn't agree on?

How is lynching the person I've zeroed in on with a real argument being "arrogant and insufferable?"

Get over yourself.

Crescent-Moon posted...

scum Corrik knows coming after me is suicide.

Insufferable arrogance.

Crescent-Moon posted...

sit back from your conspiracy nonsense and watch me slaughter the last scum for you.

Insufferable arrogance.

Like, you don't have to post these things to go after Sultan. Yet, you are to say hey look how arrogant and antagonizing I am going to be.

You are wrong that I am third party, but even if I were third party, my best path to victory would be slaying the last scum. So, either way you view me, there is zero reason to be arrogant or antagonizing.

You purposely say things that you know are silly just to try for a rise out of people. If I am scum and I wanted to kill you, you would be dead. Wtf are you even talking about there? I'm not going down the rabbit hole again with you today and feeding into you suffocating the game, but you say dumb things on purpose then act like why you can't get people don't want to play with you or deal with you. For real.

Anyway, time for a thought experiment for everyone.

Why is Sultan town? What makes him "more" town than people like IGCD?

Corrik, I am scumhunting right now. You should try it.

Crescent-Moon posted...

stopped hiding your misogyny

Holy shit.

You know what.

I am done.

I am not dealing with someone who continually antagonizes people then plays victim nonstop. I'm done posting today.

##vote: Sultan
##rate: good

If sultan is somehow cleared by something then @ me so I can change my vote. Later.

Corrik7 posted...

You had more actions than you observed ONE night. The other night was exact.

That's the problem. If one power is lying, you have not enough one night and exact night 1. It causes a problem no matter who you choose. This is where Sheep and Chang were both like Oh...

What are the action lists for both nights again, based on claims and what we assume happened?

Now that I'm computer, let me sum up my work from last night. This isn't pre-written, this is all coming out right on thhe spot.

Ben - For Ben to be scum would require a whole lotta conspiracy theory and his entire team trying to bus him day 1 for no good reason. Ben's reads almost directly echo mine at this point. He's probably just town who threw himself off by pretending to be third party. Ben being vanilla that later says he's not vanilla, but actually is vanilla fit my immediate meta of him.

Changmas - The stenograph into his later claim seems believable, especially given the vote freeze on Chris. When you add this to a distinct lack of protection of a scum!Chang, I feel like this isn't the place to look from a balance perspective... Even if I disagree with a not-Chris target last night.

Corrik - Third party moving on

IGCD - Very likely make this claim as scum. Likely doesn't shade top players at the start of day 2 for absolutely no reason as scum. Does not actually try at all if he's the last scum in this situation, given his mentality of the game. He'd never expect to actually survive, and he'd just roll over and die. It is awkward that he didn't vote Sheep, but IGCD practically came off yesterday as just wanting to be mislynched to get it over with already.

Isquen - His vote at the end of the day looks good on him and it makes it look like he cares. Caring in that situation is town. Also Chris wouldn't even tolerate the notion of this guy being scum, so...

Red - Tin foil hat at it's finest. Town is sorely lacking in information power if he's scum. The anger in his words probably wasn't fake. Scum blocking Chang still kind of makes no sense because it kind of just let Red be cured, but whatever.

Sultan - My initial reason to calling him town is flawed. It's based on a reactive unvote of me when it's clear scum wasn't voting me in hindsight. Ulti called him out on his third party slips more than anyone, but scum vanilla getting ahead of this is entirely plausible. Ulti did some needling of Sultan, which earned him points after Ulti died, but ultimately Ulti never really put any significant pressure on him, and ultimately Sultan had absolutely nothing to put on the table yesterday. This has left me wondering why he got such a high level of clearance in the first place. Someone even said yesterday "dumbtells aren't town".

I don't have anywhere near as compelling a "Sultan is town" argument as I thought I did. A lot of it feels like minor things being blown up to be more than they are.

I do agree with Crescent. I was also waiting for Sultan to claim, but as it stands he's the biggest blindspot in the game. I'm pretty sure Sheep said to never lynch him, but Sheep also died having absolutely no idea who the last scum is. All the facts from yesterday are really pointing his way right now. A player who was in the background letting some obvious town argue. Someone who claims to be a power. If he is scum I feel like we'll find out soon enough