Board 8 > Elden Ring Mafia Topic 4: Whatever the Mafia version of Caelid would be

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Boo IGCD boo

Okay here's some mafia help for all of my people out here who are like "maybe we lynch Crescent"

Mafia is a game of uninformed majority versus informed minority. The best way, and this has been proven over many different communities over many different years, is to apply discussion of the game at a macro level and force choices from the playerbase to see how this reacted.

Last game end of day one we lynched town. It was sad, as lynching town was bad. However because of the choices made by a scum (Death) I was able to clear a town who had suspicion (Ulti) and with other context it allowed me, and eventually the rest of town after a couple of oopsies on their part, to comfortably solve the game.

I get the temptation to just go 'I don't want to think', but that's not mafia. Mafia is difficult, peer to peer, and requires thinking. Scum win when towns turn off their brains. Corrik is a gifted but oft lazy and brutish player. He brute forces what he cannot achieve through subtlety and nuance. That's okay, we all have our shortcomings.

I caught Crescent pretty early on in FFXIV. I have faith I can do it again. This is, simply, not that same scum game. So I don't want to essentially no lynch to gain no information.

So let's kill the idle guy again

##unvote: Bat
##Vote: Mzero

kill him while he sleeps, imo

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Boo IGCD boo

You think I'd ever claim if Corrik was involved?

Exactly, well said. As much sense as it makes to want to "confirm" a player, it comes at the detriment of allowing both scum and town to agree to a lynch that "makes sense". You just cant do that. Its too early in the game to waste a day. So any town right now convincing themselves this is good play to lynch Crescent, I would tell you it is not.

That Mzero is a bait vote for me though isnt it? Well I fell for it.

##Vote: mzero

Do you have anyone awake you'd rather kill?

At present my list is 'Mzero or Ben'

RIP

Also maybe Panth. For 'best town player ever' award from Corrik he sure hasn't done anything of note.

I have no town read on Panth yet. That's a viable one in my book

Okay folks, that is your options. You got unclaimed supposed great player Panthera, claimed THE PUNISHED Ben, or idle guy who we can kill

Chances on Ben actually claiming Scum on post 1 chris?

High

In this case however, no, I'm innocent

look I'm just saying I said someone who voted yes is scum. If it's not bat, and it's not ben...!

oh but yah that opening post is totally within scum ben's range lol

I'm more rubbing my face in frustration at how much I have to parse, while at work, on a busy day, when I fell asleep after my last post and woke up late.

Two things from a quick skim: first, I'd still really like to test that unlynchable theory, if only to cut short another 2k post day.

Second, Shonen is probably the Loathesome Dung Eater from "Haha silly name" and I have no clue what that would mean in context.

Third, I had rated the message good and I think that got ignored?

The only message rating vote I immediately did not like what Sbell's vote. That was his first post day 1 I believe. But I'll defer to people who know him better before pursuing him further. I was told he always gets heat on him as town. Though i never got a solid answer why. Because my reasoning was that he had two posts that read as fake. Not because i thought he was abrasive.

Isquen if you would like to not play simply don't play. We won't do bad things to fit your desire to not play hard. With respect, just sheep me if you wish to relax

Isquen posted...

Third, I had rated the message good and I think that got ignored?

I thought I said you were a bro or something. If I didn't, then maybe i just did in my head and forgot to post it.

You are a bro or something

Isquen posted...

Second, Shonen is probably the Loathesome Dung Eater from "Haha silly name" and I have no clue what that would mean in context.

I claimed dragon that attacks you with swords made of lightning, verbatim

Isquen posted...

Two things from a quick skim: first, I'd still really like to test that unlynchable theory, if only to cut short another 2k post day.

This sounds exactly like the dumb thing I unintentionally said about ending the day early

I wouldn't be opposed to Mzero lynch but I also like my vote pretty well where it is.

Ben, it was my first post the morning after the day started after a skim and a poop.

I've explained and justified my content.

And while it may be a few years since I last played, I won't stand by silently while you act like you've a) never played with me and b) act like you've never buried me with a town vanilla claim day 1.

Good afternoon.

First off for whoever said something about Ben being first onto Bat, that's not true - Plum's votals were fucked and listed "Shonen" and "Bat" as two separate players, the former with a vote on him from Red, the latter with a vote on him from Ben. I'm pretty sure the former came earlier (and was more than a summoning joke).

On to Crescent, I think confirming it is positive enough to require a better case on someone else than "day 1 adventure wheee" to go against it. Especially because the more actual argument there is to be made the more info you actually get, whereas it's a lot easier for scum to justify doing whatever when the cases are weak enough that barely more than a whim is logic enough.

Now for Chris since you seem to oppose the Isquen lynch, I'm going to ask if you think his lack of content on topics not-himself really adds up. The backlash against me and Crescent can be personality, yes, but while he's a fairly new player this isn't his first game so I think he has reason to know it's not productive to get so bogged down on one narrow aspect of the game. Losing focus because of pressure is possible sure but I feel like town would still take the opening to start trying to engage elsewhere and I don't buy that he thought I was an actual day vig putting him severely on the spot and not just using that as a rhetorical device.

One other thing that stood out to me was MZero's response to Crescent not liking his vote on her, to the point of looking up a past game to confirm he...uses exclamation points. I liked MZero up to that point but that was overly defensive and felt like a bit of caught for the wrong reasons. The grammar point is super dumb but the response to it was off.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Also maybe Panth. For 'best town player ever' award from Corrik he sure hasn't done anything of note.

Okay, then what do you think of Ben beyond "he voted for Bat"? With the latter not looking clearing since Bat's frustration doesn't sound like scum faking it. I tried to get the game to actually acknowledge this dude's existence when things were stagnating on a few people but aside from Chang and a couple mild comments from Crescent got zero engagement on the subject. Ben has had the worst activity to content ratio of anyone in the game and he had a very forced defense of Sultan while the latter was under pressure that didn't showed a lack of real analysis.

##Unvote
##vote: Ben

lynch all liars.

back to training.

I feel as if that is a very bad question to ask me about Ben considering my posts about Ben.

(I said I wanted to lynch him)

As for Isquen my issue is that he kind of got jumped very early, and this day does indeed have a lot of posts. I am opposed to it strictly from a day one sense and I don't think the manner in which he has been questioned is liable to be able to find a new scum from a bogged down and loopy town. He could be scum, but the methods employed so far have a high backfire rate imo

Crescent claimed unlynchable ulti are you ok

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I feel as if that is a very bad question to ask me about Ben considering my posts about Ben.

(I said I wanted to lynch him)

As for Isquen my issue is that he kind of got jumped very early, and this day does indeed have a lot of posts. I am opposed to it strictly from a day one sense and I don't think the manner in which he has been questioned is liable to be able to find a new scum from a bogged down and loopy town. He could be scum, but the methods employed so far have a high backfire rate imo

It is not a bad question considering I want more than just yes/no stuff. I'm aware he's a lynch option for you, I want more on why because the most concrete thing I remember on this subject was based on a votals mistake (his vote wasn't actually on Isquen at the time he called him town). I like more to bite into on the reasoning front.

As for Isquen...I can see what you're saying but I'm not expecting him to have come out and presented the gold plated case to end all cases, only to show that he had more in mind than self-preservation. Like yes town cares about that too but it's easier for scum to get caught up in it to the point of assuming that an attempt to survive by painting their attackers as scum is enough.

Obellisk posted...

Ben, it was my first post the morning after the day started after a skim and a poop.

I've explained and justified my content.

And while it may be a few years since I last played, I won't stand by silently while you act like you've a) never played with me and b) act like you've never buried me with a town vanilla claim day 1.

I feel bad but my long term memory is just not very good. At least selectively. And its not your fault - I just skimmed through a bunch of forum mafia board games after mattress brought it up and was having a laugh at myself for my own crazy games I had. Stuff i did that I have no memory of and it was only like 4 years ago

Panthera posted...

It is not a bad question considering I want more than just yes/no stuff. I'm aware he's a lynch option for you, I want more on why because the most concrete thing I remember on this subject was based on a votals mistake (his vote wasn't actually on Isquen at the time he called him town). I like more to bite into on the reasoning front.

As for Isquen...I can see what you're saying but I'm not expecting him to have come out and presented the gold plated case to end all cases, only to show that he had more in mind than self-preservation. Like yes town cares about that too but it's easier for scum to get caught up in it to the point of assuming that an attempt to survive by painting their attackers as scum is enough.

Hard not to care about self-pres when you get home from work and people are wifoming a opening post tbh.

As for Ben, hm. For some reason I don't like how you are questioning me on him, as it is strange that would be your take away.

Panthera does not pass the vibe check tbh

Obellisk posted...

##Unvote
##vote: Ben

lynch all liars.

back to training.

If I was confident or trying to pass off a lie I wouldnt be asking you yourself for advice on how to read you lol.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Hard not to care about self-pres when you get home from work and people are wifoming a opening post tbh.

Being upset about wifom over the opening post can go a ways but it doesn't cover indefinitely keeping the same mindset. It wasn't until last night that his lack of other content became too glaring.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Im not against lynching MZero or Marth. Those votes on Crescent were terrible.

Anything else besides my vote that makes me a target for you

Well have fun lynching him if you insist, but I think giving a new player an opening night to catch a breather is just fine, unless you think so little of your scum hunting ability that you think you can only find one in their second or third game.

Yo panth, you keep saying my vote for Bat was just a joke about summoning him. Thats not true - I gave my reason for voting him first, then voted him, then made the jokey comment. Its just a cool way to end a post. Anyway that reason for voting him is long and gone now. I'll take credit for town clearing Bat at least.

....What do you call a happy farmer? ....... A JOLLY RANCHER

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Well have fun lynching him if you insist, but I think giving a new player an opening night to catch a breather is just fine, unless you think so little of your scum hunting ability that you think you can only find one in their second or third game.

I mean you know I do tend to have a pretty low opinion of my game but I'm not exactly seeing the problem with preferring to lynch the player I think is likeliest to be scum rather than factoring in how much cooler I'd look if I lynched a different scum. The whole interaction with Crescent and Ulti also makes Ulti look a lot worse if Isquen flips scum (Isquen got mad at everyone who attacked him except Ulti who he ignored and Ulti swapped to defending him very quickly when the pressure started turning into votes) so I like the upside on it anyway.

I say we leave all the funny people alive

Lynches come and go, but cool points only reset once every 3 years.

PunishedBen posted...

Yo panth, you keep saying my vote for Bat was just a joke about summoning him. Thats not true - I gave my reason for voting him first, then voted him, then made the jokey comment. Its just a cool way to end a post. Anyway that reason for voting him is long and gone now. I'll take credit for town clearing Bat at least.

....What do you call a happy farmer? ....... A JOLLY RANCHER

I will admit I have a hard time judging when your jokes mean the whole subject is not serious vs when it's an aside. That was never hugely important though so to go to the meat of the matter, why did you defend Sultan for posting a lot when his posts at that point were super vague and non-committal without noting anything further on why that lack of substance wasn't an issue to you?

Ah, that explains a lot. Sbell just has to win my cool points back

Thinking about it more, I know I am right that pressuring newbies day one leads to more lynches of town than scum. So I have changed my mind, if you continue to pursue Isquen I am going to put you six feet into the ground, panthera.

Panthera still doesn't give me a great feeling but I don't think I have the firepower to get anything going on them.

Marth, let your vote be honest. I will provide firepower if the time is right.

Panthera posted...

I will admit I have a hard time judging when your jokes mean the whole subject is not serious vs when it's an aside. That was never hugely important though so to go to the meat of the matter, why did you defend Sultan for posting a lot when his posts at that point were super vague and non-committal without noting anything further on why that lack of substance wasn't an issue to you?

Early read on him - I didnt necessarily agree with anything he was saying but he was being very open on giving stances and thoughts about all players who were posting. I remember saying at that time that Sultan is "fine" and defending him because he is being so open that I was confident he will resolve himself. By this point in the game, "fine" has definitely evolved to "town". Mostly for the same reasons, but for some little things I didnt write down too

UltimaterializerX posted...

This passes the vibe check tbqh

Even if one of the funny posts was to lynch you and call it a day?

PunishedBen posted...

Early read on him - I didnt necessarily agree with anything he was saying but he was being very open on giving stances and thoughts about all players who were posting. I remember saying at that time that Sultan is "fine" and defending him because he is being so open that I was confident he will resolve himself. By this point in the game, "fine" has definitely evolved to "town". Mostly for the same reasons, but for some little things I didnt write down too

Does being open matter much when it's too vague? I read Sultan townish for that stretch too, but it's because I specifically remember him being prone to waffling back and forth and equivocating on everything as town. Without the knowledge that he does that it does not add up to think he would resolve himself. Players resolve themselves by locking into things.