Board 8 > Elden Ring Mafia Topic 2: Runes are not Souls

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Crescent-Moon posted...

By the way.

Isquen is continuing to attack everyone who says he might be scum.

...Except for Ulti.

This was holding true for the most part but over the course of the last hour or so Ulti has switched to defending him. Which does coincide with the extra votes on Isquen of course.

Crescent-Moon posted...

I need people who aren't Ulti to talk to before I do something that gets me modkilled.

This has no place in mafia.

Panthera posted...

This was holding true for the most part but over the course of the last hour or so Ulti has switched to defending him. Which does coincide with the extra votes on Isquen of course.

That's the point.

As I said all along: Ulti's suspicion of Isquen was fake, and Isquen knew it was fake. That's why he didn't react to it.

Furthermore: Ulti has set up the situation where, even if he fails to save Isquen, he still has a reason to vote for me tomorrow based on that ridiculous scheme he drew up.

Question: Crescent, why do you think scum cares so much to specifically mislynch you?

Crescent-Moon posted...

That's the point.

As I said all along: Ulti's suspicion of Isquen was fake, and Isquen knew it was fake. That's why he didn't react to it.

This is something I could see. There's definitely some legs to that theory. He went off on IGCD too on Day 1 ('getting played like a fiddle'). The only other vote on him I see that he didn't react to was Sultan.

Against my better judgment, I'm actually going to respond to a Corrik post.

Isquen and Ulti are probably the only two scum who have actually come directly after me. Isquen who's some strong power and Ulti who's set up this crazy scenario that makes me scum regardless of Isquen's alignment, but is actually protecting Isquen, and Isquen knew it and thus never attacked Ulti.

Scum has essentially tried to set up mislynching me or you tomorrow based on what happens today. I'm too zoned in on Isquen and it makes me a threat. It's why both of them have tried very hard to flat out discredit anything I've done. You were target of opportunity for Isquen as the non-scum who was voting me.

If I get lynched today they try to mislynch you. If Isquen gets lynched today, Ulti still tries to lynch me. They've shown total opposition towards actually going after each other.

Isquen's panic countervote forced their hand. He essentially can never justify getting off of me now.

changmas posted...

This is something I could see. There's definitely some legs to that theory. He went off on IGCD too on Day 1 ('getting played like a fiddle'). The only other vote on him I see that he didn't react to was Sultan.

The problem is more Ulti was hard calling him scum. No one went harder in calling him scum than myself and Ulti. If he should've reacted to anyone else, it was Ulti.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Against my better judgment, I'm actually going to respond to a Corrik post.

Isquen and Ulti are probably the only two scum who have actually come directly after me. Isquen who's some strong power and Ulti who's set up this crazy scenario that makes me scum regardless of Isquen's alignment, but is actually protecting Isquen, and Isquen knew it and thus never attacked Ulti.

Scum has essentially tried to set up mislynching me or you tomorrow based on what happens today. I'm too zoned in on Isquen and it makes me a threat. It's why both of them have tried very hard to flat out discredit anything I've done. You were target of opportunity for Isquen as the non-scum who was voting me.

If I get lynched today they try to mislynch you. If Isquen gets lynched today, Ulti still tries to lynch me. They've shown total opposition towards actually going after each other.

Isquen's panic countervote forced their hand. He essentially can never justify getting off of me now.

But, why? If you are such a threat on Day 1, why wouldn't they just shoot you?

And to further that, why would scum care so much to stick their neck out specifically for you day 1 instead of just y'kno blending into the game trying to look town?

Isquen, if you had to pick three players you're confident are town, who would you pick?

UltimaterializerX posted...

Its not a mislynch.

It's not the point of the question.

Crescent-Moon posted...

It's not crazy to humor the possibility that the last several hours have been the same few town talking each other in circles.

And frankly we've run out of things to say to each other and are just... Waiting at this point for more people to actually stick around.

These are the vibes I was getting. Especially with the 1 on 1 arguments between Sultan and Sbell

A VC might be nice right now, could it possibly get posted in the new thread?

changmas posted...

Isquen, if you had to pick three players you're confident are town, who would you pick?

That's the thing, I'm not. At all. I *only* can claim Corrik town, and that's if Crescent's scum, because it's quite something if she isn't.

My only other choices are Ben, which hinges on if his pushing-for-message rates is bona fide/in good faith, and... I dunno, underyourmarthtress? They look as confused as I am with everything else that isn't Crescent's billowing smokescreen.

What does the peanut gallery think about Bat?

I don't recall anyone particularly reading that spot as town and I don't really either. I think his most recent vote onto Isquen was fairly ick. He's gotten a surprisingly low amount of flak despite being boxed into the POE whereas Isquen has been pretty much the designated hit since fairly early in the game.

Isquen posted...

That's the thing, I'm not. At all. I *only* can claim Corrik town, and that's if Crescent's scum, because it's quite something if she isn't.

My only other choices are Ben, which hinges on if his pushing-for-message rates is bona fide/in good faith, and... I dunno, underyourmarthtress? They look as confused as I am with everything else that isn't Crescent's billowing smokescreen.

How do you feel about Bat? I'm thinking about throwing a vote on them to give you something to compete with, cause I don't get the best feeling that you've been the number one target all day while hinting at being a PR.

UnderUrMattress posted...

What does the peanut gallery think about Bat?

I don't recall anyone particularly reading that spot as town and I don't really either. I think his most recent vote onto Isquen was fairly ick. He's gotten a surprisingly low amount of flak despite being boxed into the POE whereas Isquen has been pretty much the designated hit since fairly early in the game.

Bat was the closest thing I had to a scumlean that wasn't on my scumlist. He has at least shared some thoughts, but I do agree of all the votes on Isquen, his is the worst.

UnderUrMattress posted...

How do you feel about Bat?

UnderUrMattress posted...

I think his most recent vote onto Isquen was fairly ick.

That sums up my views on Bat, with a side of they're probably just happy they might make a Day 2.

Panthera posted...

Good evening, my internet has decided to cut in and out now that I have time to post so that's nice but I'll pull through because I like you guys and gals.

First off

##Unvote

I'm not entirely sold on Chang (and it's a bit weird he got so much less scrutiny for his set up meta post that brought up possibly indy than Sultan did) but he's done some stuff I like. His call out on IGCD for really awkward buddying up to Crescent without actually doing anything was good. He hasn't felt super consequential but nothing else he's said has really stuck out poorly. My eternal friend Corrik says Chang hedges his bets on stuff a lot by nature so I can buy my original read might have been more a writing style thing than anything else.

Now let's switch to someone who hasn't gotten much attention at all, that being Ben. After the attention grabbing super early claim Ben kind of faded out, around a lot but mostly in fairly meaningless ways (the message rating discussion accounts for a higher chunk of his content than anyone else I would say) and two particular moments stick out. First, in the first topic Marth made a "hi guys" post that went ignored until Ben jumped at it an hour later (to demand he rate GOOD or be shot, for context). Marth hadn't posted in the mean time and Ben was posting, so this was really weird, like he was just looking to force something for little reason and jumped on something easy.

Secondly Ben had a defense of Sultan when people were attacking him, saying that Sultan seemed to be saying quite a lot (Sultan had indeed posted brief thoughts on a variety of topics). Now, I kind of agree in theory - my recollection of Sultan is that his writing style tends to be "Here is a few words of summary, this player could be town or scum, I lean X but it could be Y" and it always looks awkward but isn't hugely meaningful. He also tends to misinterpret stuff and latches onto individual ideas he sees and really focuses on them. So I can get behind the idea that Sultan's posting (I'll come back to the indy thing in a bit) doesn't look damning...but Ben's defense didn't actually mention the reason for it, and without that reason it looks quite bad. This looks to me like Ben didn't really analyze Sultan to find him town, just wanted to defend him anyway.

##Vote: Ben

So with Sultan and the indy thing, I agree that indy hunting tends to be scum, but I think people took Crescent on her word a bit too much when she summed it up as him assuming indy or town. Sultan's original post about Isquen cited several possibilities and the one with the most thought about the game state behind suggested scum (in the context of his N0 role scan scum thing, which is bonkers but seems on brand). He posted after that that he assumed indy or something odd. Note that he didn't say "indy or odd town" as people seemed to think. He said most likely indy or scum, then focused a bit more on the indy thing. I think Crescent misintepreted the sequence of posts a bit, more likely than it being deliberate scum misrepresentation when her thought process has felt pretty town overall.

As for Isquen, I think the important part with him is specifically the lack of content other than his feud with Crescent. His blow up over her feels too severe to just be panicking scum, there has to be an element of his personality that just goes overboard when voted to get to this state. I get the argument about it being different from past games but as MZero I believe noted people, especially newer players, don't behave identically at all times and early attention over a check in post isn't a perfect comparison to later game stuff. That said the lack of other content is glaring. So, Isquen. Assume I'm a day vig and I'll shoot you if you don't provide some thoughts on this game that do not involve people's interactions with you. What do you say?

Also noting very little from Red, like I think writing off Corrik/Crescent as non-alignment personal drama is his strongest statement thus far. For those who theorized he was faking Miller to bait a response, Corrik and someone else I think this was, does this seem like the logical follow up? A couple of us at least questioned it in some way. Or for Chang who said his claim would draw scrutiny and solve itself does the lack of scrutiny strike you as odd?

My first thought reading this is that you're probably one of the people who rated the message bad. And it looks like you were. Not a Chad move bro

Isquen posted...

That sums up my views on Bat, with a side of they're probably just happy they might make a Day 2.

So would you vote him with me? I don't see myself voting Crescent today who I believe that you're voting right now so if it comes down to you or Crescent then I'd vote you.

UnderUrMattress posted...

So would you vote him with me? I don't see myself voting Crescent today who I believe that you're voting right now so if it comes down to you or Crescent then I'd vote you.

Not today, I wouldn't, noose around my neck tied by them or not. I'm *that* convinced Crescent's scummy, and no canoodling from anyone else is going to fix that.

UnderUrMattress posted...

So would you vote him with me? I don't see myself voting Crescent today who I believe that you're voting right now so if it comes down to you or Crescent then I'd vote you.

Isquen made it clear he will never vote anyone other than me today a long time ago and is pretty well locked into it.

Well alrighty then. This is post #475 so I think we should flock over to the new thread.

That Shonen post where he said we need to hurry and lynch Isquen comes off as a little rushed. Like someone wants to lynch him before Isquen can claim more of his power and save himself

I just saw Isquen's claim and he's most likely town. If he's not it's easily provable and he's stuck in the lie now. Party's over kids. Find someone else

gonna bump this one