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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Absolutely false, my guy.

Batman is for kids and somebody's real sad about it.

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Yeah, I guess they didn't do more than discuss crushes. There was this one show I remember called Pepper Ann that did have an episode about her developing boobs tho. I didn't watch the show but I caught this ep and that stood out lol. There was another show, I don't think it was Disney, but it was called Braceface that I read also tackled more teen girl growing up stuff than just crushes. Oh, there was also this show on Nickelodeon called As Told By Ginger. Again, didn't watch it but I heard it did stuff.

So, while you personally may not have grown up with them, these shows did exist at least, but you're right in that there could have been more.

lets step in to girl geek stuff

where is a new cartoon for jem

oh sure it had that live action movie that hasbro gave 0 budget to

and it had a good comic

but beyond that nothing

or what about the she-ra reboot despite the massive popularity matel did not give it any worth while merchandise

or back to spiderman

if they ever make a live action spidergwen series the you know what crowd will be up in arms

or in the comics field

a young adult comic gets made for teen girls and comic fans are in a up roar and spread false information (false information that is even on the tvtropes page for the book i might add)

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Batman is for kids

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/5/4/AAFUDuAADCsO.jpg

You know...for kids!

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But on the flip, how many coming of age boy stories are out there that seriously tackle similar issues of being a 12-16 year old boy.

At least ones that arent made for laughs teen sex romps like Porkys, Superbad, or American Pie.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/5/4/AAFUDuAADCsO.jpg

You know...for kids!

I noticed you didn't post anything from a movie.

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Try being first only kid in Freshmen gym class that had full body hair and had to go through the first two years of school being called Old Uncle Mike before the other kids started catching up to my Italian ass.

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

I noticed you didn't post anything from a movie.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/6/0/AAFUDuAADCsU.jpg

You know...for kids!

Gobstoppers12 posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/6/0/AAFUDuAADCsU.jpg

You know...for kids!

Yep, thank you.

So, anyway, I think Hollywood should stop revolving around kiddy shit.

There are a ton of shows that have a primarily female audience that have been running forever. The Bachelor. Law and Order: SVU. Grey's Anatomy. You also got stuff like Gilmore Girls, Outlander, Gossip Girl, Handmaid's Tale.

Sounds like this chick is just mad her show wasn't popular and got cancelled and is now trying to blame sexism and the "Hollywood boys club"

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

I noticed you didn't post anything from a movie.

Im guessing you didnt see Joker then.

it's called money.

bigblu89 posted...

Im guessing you didnt see Joker then.

Hey, if Gobstoppers actually wanted to make a point about Batman not being for kids, he would have mentioned Joker, which doesn't have Batman in it. He wanted to mention this movie instead.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/7/0/AAJBROAADCse.jpg

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

He wanted to mention this movie instead.

That's not a movie.

That's an action figure.

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Yep

Maybe you don't actually have a grasp of content that's designed for kids... but that ain't it.

Why don't you give me an example of something you consider to be "for adults"

Disney be out there live actioning all the Disney princess movies and making billions along with all the Marvel stuff.

Wow this topic got off the rails.

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Hey, if Gobstoppers actually wanted to make a point about Batman not being for kids, he would have mentioned Joker, which doesn't have Batman in it. He wanted to mention this movie instead.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/7/0/AAJBROAADCse.jpg

Thats from Dark Knight, not The Batman.

So he didnt mention that movie either.

hsvhighlife posted...

the tv show was cancelled because it was trash

It has 100% on rotten tomatoes after 55 reviews

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/the_baby_sitters_club_2020/s01

bigblu89 posted...

Thats from Dark Knight, not The Batman.

To be fair, I posted an image from the dark knight above.

The real issue is that this guy thinks a corpse hanging from a noose outside somebody's window defiled with Joker makeup is designed "for kids"

Gobstoppers12 posted...

To be fair, I posted an image from the dark knight above.

The real issue is that this guy thinks a corpse hanging from a noose outside somebody's window defiled with Joker makeup is designed "for kids"

Yeah, I went back to your original statement. My bad

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It's a chicken / egg thing.

Women are willing to go see Spider-Man which is historically a series targeted to young boys. Not many men are willing to go see Tinkerbell movies. The result is Hollywood makes stuff mostly that caters to male nostalgia. And doubly because of this, very little programming for young girls is on TV at all since companies know they likely aren't going to be able to capitalize on it later.

It's also driven a trend towards this "strong woman" protagonist media in which they try to attract as many men as possible by making the woman essentially completely separated from her femininity.

FemShep is just Jennifer Hale voicing lines obviously meant for Male Shepard.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

That's not a movie.

That's an action figure.

Yeah, from the movie you mentioned. You tried to argue that Batman isn't for kids, and your example was a screencap from a movie, and I posted a toy (aimed at kids) from that movie. I'm following the conversation, you're just trying to worm your way out of a loss you leapt into.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Maybe you don't actually have a grasp of content that's designed for kids... but that ain't it.

I know what Batman is. It's primarily a franchise that appeals to kids. It's going to take more than a random screenshot of stuff that kids like (a Batman suit) to convince me it's not a franchise aimed at kids. You know the deck is stacked against you, can't you do a little better?

Why don't you give me an example of something you consider to be "for adults"

Uncut Gems. Go.

Doesn't Frozen break this?

Frozen not really made for guys. It is a MEGA hit.

And every sequel it gets will be treated like a giant celebration.

WingsOfGood posted...

Doesn't Frozen break this?

Frozen not really made for guys. It is a MEGA hit.

And every sequel it gets will be treated like a giant celebration.

Not really, if you read the whole article this is from

Frozen is made and marketed squarely to kids. The idea here is that Babysitters Club was a pre-teen/early teen franchise that has been massively successful:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/9/4/AAW8UqAADCs2.jpg

but that no one wants to push to people that grew up with it as nostalgia bait because its viewed as something just for preteen girls

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/9/5/AAW8UqAADCs3.jpg

TheGoldenEel posted...

Frozen is made and marketed squarely to kids.

???

Spiderman and Star Wars are kids movies

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Yeah, from the movie you mentioned.

Oh yeah, having toys really makes a movie for kids, doesn't it? Just like Robocop, Alien, Predator, Terminator, etc., right?

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Uncut Gems. Go.

So in your opinion, competely regardless of subject matter, a movie can only be aimed at adults if it's a realistic drama?

You say things like:

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

It's going to take more than a random screenshot of stuff that kids like (a Batman suit) to convince me it's not a franchise aimed at kids

......... when the screen shot in question is of a literal corpse dangling from a noose, which had just been slammed against the window after being dropped from above. Hence the blood in the window from where the dead person's defiled face slammed into the glass on the way down.

Kids might find Batman cool, but that doesn't mean every Batman movie is "for kids."

The Dark Knight is a serious crime drama/thriller that just so happens to include Batman. There's death, politics, legal discussions, clashes of philosophy and ideology, overt and brutal violence, sincere depictions of nihilistic insanity...

It's not aimed primarily at children. Toys exist because kids like batman toys, but the toy you linked has absolutely nothing to do with any scenes or events in the movie. They just made up a new batman toy and slapped a Dark Knight logo on it.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Oh yeah, having toys really makes a movie for kids, doesn't it? Just like Robocop, Alien, Predator, Terminator, etc., right?

So in your opinion, competely regardless of subject matter, a movie can only be aimed at adults if it's a realistic drama?

You say things like:

......... when the screen shot in question is of a literal corpse dangling from a noose, which had just been slammed against the window after being dropped from above. Hence the blood in the window from where the dead person's defiled face slammed into the glass on the way down.

Kids might find Batman cool, but that doesn't mean every Batman movie is "for kids."

The Dark Knight is a serious crime drama/thriller that just so happens to include Batman. There's death, politics, legal discussions, clashes of philosophy and ideology, overt and brutal violence, sincere depictions of nihilistic insanity...

It's not aimed primarily at children. Toys exist because kids like batman toys, but the toy you linked has absolutely nothing to do with any scenes or events in the movie. They just made up a new batman toy and slapped a Dark Knight logo on it.

https://youtu.be/UcZzlPGnKdU

Some Batman movies are for kids, others are not.
Nevertheless parents who grew up watching Batman TAS (which was for kids) probably see it is a Batman movie and think it is for kids lol.

These IPs can have kid and adult versions. But even for Batman, it was first targeted to kids I am pretty sure and since it was an old IP slowly they gave it more adult themes. Can watch the 60s live action Batman show and see how kiddy it was.

That said, adults can enjoy this stuff. Adults love Batman TAS.

Similar with Spiderman. The Spiderman TAS if I recall wouldn't allow actual punching or something like that. I forgot what it was.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Oh yeah, having toys really makes a movie for kids, doesn't it? Just like Robocop, Alien, Predator, Terminator, etc., right?

All of those movies are rated R. The Dark Knight is rated PG-13. It could have easily been rated R if they wanted to make a movie that was aimed at adults, but they wanted to make one that was child-friendly.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

So in your opinion, competely regardless of subject matter, a movie can only be aimed at adults if it's a realistic drama?

You're putting words in my mouth because the movie I offered up is objectively not for kids, and you want an easy win. You could try arguing the point I was making (or, instead of being rhetorical, make a point yourself), instead of being a smart-ass, just saying. What if I had answered The Green Knight, It Follows, or The Love Witch? Would your answer change because you're just trying to win an argument, and you have to come up with something else?

Gobstoppers12 posted...

The Dark Knight is a serious crime drama/thriller that just so happens to include Batman. There's death, politics, legal discussions, clashes of philosophy and ideology, overt and brutal violence, sincere depictions of nihilistic insanity...

One could say a lot of these things also apply to the 1990s cartoon, which is aimed at children. I would also sincerely question the notion that had a "sincere depiction of nihilistic insanity." But that is probably delving more into making a qualitative judgment on the movie. In any case, none of the violence is brutal enough; none of the crime "serious" enough, none of the philosophy deep enough, to merit an R rating, since the movie also wants kids to see it.

It's not aimed primarily at children. Toys exist because kids like batman toys, but the toy you linked has absolutely nothing to do with any scenes or events in the movie. They just made up a new batman toy and slapped a Dark Knight logo on it.

I would definitely say that Dark Knight is more aimed at kids than OG Robocop, Terminator, etc. The storytelling and filmmaking appeals to a juvenile sensibility; much more so than the likes of Robocop and so on. I would also add that much of the kid friendly Batman media, namely the 90s cartoon or, more to the point, Mask of the Phantasm, is more mature in many ways - aimed at a younger audience though it may be - but again, that's getting a bit more in the territory of making a qualitative judgement.

It also comes from a franchise which historically is aimed directly at children, and certainly appeals largely to them, whereas the films you mentioned merely initiated an offshoot franchise. Those films themselves were all rated R, whereas the Batman films - all of them, except the one without Batman actually in it (and it was a struggle to get that one to an R, for obvious reasons) - are rated PG-13 or lower, specifically in order to draw in an audience that includes kids.

WingsOfGood posted...

???

Spiderman and Star Wars are kids movies

yeah but they arent strictly market as such

theyre also marketed to adults who have nostalgia for this thing from their youth

the thing the babysitters club show runner is asking, is why arent things for girls given this same nostalgia-based marketing push to adults

WingsOfGood posted...

Some Batman movies are for kids, others are not.

we have not had a kid friendly batman in live action since batman and robin ( i miss fun batman)

Spider-Man and the MCU are just as popular with kids/teens as they are with adults. There are a bunch of new fans. Spider-Man isnt only successful because some people remember watching the 90s cartoon or the Raimi movies and nostalgia

Cant read the Tweet. Its like its cut off on the sides

Frozen was the movie that broke a lot of established beliefs within Hollywood so yeah I think that's a good example to bring up. My wife was very nostalgic over the Babysitter's Club and watched the show. No idea if she knows it has been cancelled.

Really a good example for this is even the comparison between what Babysitters Club and Goosebumps got. One gets a Netflix show that doesn't last long. The other gets two big budget movies.

There are differences between boy and girl nostalgia and how they're taken advantage of and the reasons behind it go back decades.

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

All of those movies are rated R. The Dark Knight is rated PG-13. It could have easily been rated R if they wanted to make a movie that was aimed at adults, but they wanted to make one that was child-friendly.

The dark knight is absolutely not "child friendly"

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

You're putting words in my mouth because the movie I offered up is objectively not for kids,

No, I'm drawing a conclusion because you seem to think that a corpse dangling from a noose in broad daylight is "for kids" just because the corpse is in a Batman suit. In trying to figure out where you draw the line.

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

In any case, none of the violence is brutal enough; none of the crime "serious" enough, none of the philosophy deep enough, to merit an R rating, since the movie also wants kids to see it.

Add a tiny little bit of blood into the interrogation scene and it would easily be an R-rated beat down. TDK is a hard PG-13. Two-Face alone could justify an R-rating just off the details of his face if the review board wanted to be jerks about it.

Only the basic level of content guidelines keeps TDK from being R, really. A bit more swearing and a little more blood and detail when the Joker kills people, and that would tip out over.

Yes, they go for PG-13 ratings on purpose, but that doesn't make a movie "for kids" or, in your words, "kiddy shit"

A movie designed for adults can still be rated PG-13. The difference usually comes down to blood, nudity, and swearing. At the time TDK came out, R-rated movies didn't make nearly as much money as pg-13. This was before Deadpool, Logan, and Joker came out to prove that adult oriented, R-rated comic book movies can still perform very well.

i want to talk more on jem which i brought up before

look at its live action movie compared to any other 80s property

its budget was garbage its budget was smaller than the battleship movies

and its plot well the josie and the pussycats did a paordy of its plot over a decade before it was made

and even the comic which treats the property with more respect

well it made lots of changes jerrica is not the owner of a reccord company and a orphanage going on big adventures anymore

she is just the owner of the band now who also has a secret idnetity as jem

they had to make her more realistic

not a concern with GI JOES or transformers

originally she was basically batman lives 2 identities and uses botht o make things better for others

Gobstoppers12 posted...

A movie designed for adults can still be rated PG-13. The difference usually comes down to blood, nudity, and swearing. At the time TDK came out, R-rated movies didn't make nearly as much money as pg-13. This was before Deadpool, Logan, and Joker came out to prove that adult oriented, R-rated comic book movies can still perform very well.

JAWS was rated PG.

JAWS has toys. Figures, Funko pops, lunchboxes, trading cards.

Jaws is NOT a kiddie movie.

People should now judge a movies "child watchability" on it's rating.

Punished_Blinx posted...

Frozen was the movie that broke a lot of established beliefs within Hollywood so yeah I think that's a good example to bring up. My wife was very nostalgic over the Babysitter's Club and watched the show. No idea if she knows it has been cancelled.

Really a good example for this is even the comparison between what Babysitters Club and Goosebumps got. One gets a Netflix show that doesn't last long. The other gets two big budget movies.

There are differences between boy and girl nostalgia and how they're taken advantage of and the reasons behind it go back decades.

I'm not sure Goosebumps is the best example. As it was never super tailored or marketed to one gender. The books commonly had girls as protagonists and so did the TV show.

But moreover, Goosebumps might have got two movies but I'm not sure either was overly built for nostalgia. Like they both pretty obviously were targeted to the pre-teen demographic just as the books and show were. I can't imagine grown-up Goosebump readers were a significant part of its viewership. And honestly that's not different than how BSC was treated. And that's okay. Old properties can reinvented for a new generation of their established demographic. But at that point it really isn't a matter of nostalgia.

AceMos posted...

i want to talk more on jem which i brought up before

look at its live action movie compared to any other 80s property

its budget was garbage its budget was smaller than the battleship movies

and its plot well the josie and the pussycats did a paordy of its plot over a decade before it was made

and even the comic which treats the property with more respect

well it made lots of changes jerrica is not the owner of a reccord company and a orphanage going on big adventures anymore

she is just the owner of the band now who also has a secret idnetity as jem

they had to make her more realistic

not a concern with GI JOES or transformers

originally she was basically batman lives 2 identities and uses botht o make things better for others

Jem and the Holograms was not popular, it barely had $20 mil in toy sales revenue in its last year before it was cancelled. Transformers and GI Joe did hundreds of millions in revenue per year in the 80s. They are not comparable at all.

The game Battleship has sold over 100 million units worldwide, also dwarfing Jem and the Holograms lol

What the world needs is a Legally Blonde cinematic universe.

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

I noticed you didn't post anything from a movie.

That scene does exist in a movie actually. That's from Dark Knight Returns,which got an animated adaptation

Compsognathus posted...

I'm not sure Goosebumps is the best example. As it was never super tailored or marketed to one gender. The books commonly had girls as protagonists and so did the TV show.

But moreover, Goosebumps might have got two movies but I'm not sure either was overly built for nostalgia. Like they both pretty obviously were targeted to the pre-teen demographic just as the books and show were. I can't imagine grown-up Goosebump readers were a significant part of its viewership. And honestly that's not different than how BSC was treated. And that's okay. Old properties can reinvented for a new generation of their established demographic. But at that point it really isn't a matter of nostalgia.

I more brought it up as a comparison because they were both books popular with kids in the 90s. Even with girl protagonists I certainly remember mostly boys being into Goosebumps as a kid.

The movie itself was for kids yes. But that's still used as an opportunity to convince parents to take their kids to see a movie based around something they liked as a kid. It's still banking on nostalgia and we see it all the time. The Goosebumps movie itself was specifically about villains from the books invading the real world so yeah it was basically a greatest hits nostalgia tour lol

Goosebumps getting two live action movies and even a couple of video games I think does show that at the very least things tailored for boys are seen as having more 'marketability' and is why these sorts of things tend to happen.

Even when we think of toys we have Transformers getting a whole line up of movies and despite constant rumors over the years they never really figured out that Barbie movie.

We can say those properties have more stuff to mine for movies sure but it does indeed overall show that something having transforming robots or scary monsters or something that primarily appealed to boys can be spread out to more demographics when the opposite doesn't really happen.

Overall I think the company that has best banked on girls nostalgia is Disney but even then I often see comments about how girls obsessed with Disney are crazy. Even though they seem pretty tame compared to most nerdy fanbases I know of.

There are some exceptions like Frozen (which hasn't quite been around long enough to see how things play out long term but I think it will stick around) and Dora the Explorer but yeah they are few and far between.

To be fair I think normalizing nostalgia as a thing for adults to still enjoy is something that's still overall pretty recent and nerdy stuff like Star Wars and superheroes have always lead that sort of mindset.

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the fanbase is mostly fine it just has some toxic ppl like allfandoms

heads up steven universe does go down hill near the end thoe

also if you have not seen it i recomend the netflix she-ra reboot

Returning_CEmen posted...

media isnt mutually exclusive. Women can enjoy a spider-man and lent can enjoy Babysitters Club. I think the difference here is the source material babysitters club probably only has one book about the stories while Spider-Man has several different iterations.

FWIW, there are 131 books in the main Babysitter's Club series plus more than 70 more in alternate series.

pegusus123456 posted...

FWIW, there are 131 books in the main Babysitter's Club series plus more than 70 more in alternate series.

When's Enter the BabysitterVerse.