Board 8 > Elden Ring Discussion 3 Sword of Dark and Spark

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Mac Arrowny posted...

that falls killed me too easily.

Ok, one thing I gotta bitch about is that I found it so difficult to gauge which falls were just peachy to attempt and which were lethal. I know there are memes about this, and for good reason - From could have done a better job with this and I'm not just gonna let em off the hook dammit

CaptainOfCrush posted...

I won't pretend to understand what that even was.

Guy made a Thanos character exclusively to fingersnap a virus into people's games to force them to keep dying on respawn.

i keep seeing that you can drop rainbow stones to figure it out but Id rather just find out the hard way

CaptainOfCrush posted...

Ok, one thing I gotta bitch about is that I found it so difficult to gauge which falls were just peachy to attempt and which were lethal. I know there are memes about this, and for good reason - From could have done a better job with this and I'm not just gonna let em off the hook dammit

I didn't realize until after finishing the game that double jumping during a fall makes you more likely to die because fall damage is based on air time, not distance.

neonreaper posted...

i keep seeing that you can drop rainbow stones to figure it out but Id rather just find out the hard way

If they break then the fall will kill you.

I usually determine it by trial and error. Sometimes with bloodstains nearby

Oh yeah bloodspots for sure

Fall damage in this game is actually way more forgiving for the lower height, it just sharply changes once you approach the death wall.

In DS1 fall damage started at 5 meters, gradually increases past that by percentage until you die at 20, slight alterations from equip load.

In ER, you don't take damage until you pass 15, then until you hit 20 it increases from your 30% to 50%, before hitting the kill wall at 20 still.

So it's a lot more sudden in ER. If you take ANY damage you are close to dying height. You may take 45% damage and think you had room to spare but you were inches from death. In DS1, you could take almost your entirety of your health at at the limit.

So technically ER dropping is more forgiving, but psychologically it seems more frightening.

Also the help menu for Dex says it effect fall damage....completely worthless and should not be factors in. At 99 Dex the difference is pixels, and it has no effect on the 20m death height.

All this to say that all of it is a gift from God compared to the nightmare that is DS2 fall damage.

Mac Arrowny posted...

I didn't realize until after finishing the game that double jumping during a fall makes you more likely to die because fall damage is based on air time, not distance.

This is incorrect, Illusory Wall already disapproved this as ER's most common misconception.

https://youtu.be/Fm-QA4rZPYk

https://twitter.com/king_bore_haha/status/1506066377475432453

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Fall damage in this game is actually way more forgiving for the lower height, it just sharply changes once you approach the death wall.

In DS1 fall damage started at 5 meters, gradually increases past that by percentage until you die at 20, slight alterations from equip load.

In ER, you don't take damage until you pass 15, then until you hit 20 it increases from your 30% to 50%, before hitting the kill wall at 20 still.

So it's a lot more sudden in ER. If you take ANY damage you are close to dying height. You may take 45% damage and think you had room to spare but you were inches from death. In DS1, you could take almost your entirety of your health at at the limit.

So technically ER dropping is more forgiving, but psychologically it seems more frightening.

Also the help menu for Dex says it effect fall damage....completely worthless and should not be factors in. At 99 Dex the difference is pixels, and it has no effect on the 20m death height.

All this to say that all of it is a gift from God compared to the nightmare that is DS2 fall damage.

eh they should still make it so you can survive bigger falls imo

It's interesting to hear the perspective of players previously unfamiliar with the franchise

It does make me curious as to how From's future design will respond to their new levels of success

banananor posted...

It does make me curious as to how From's future design will respond to their new levels of success

This is obviously a much bigger deal but they had a smaller version of this with Dark Souls and their response was more and harder.

They're rumored to be doing the new Armored Core next and I just want them to shock the world and reveal it's just straight up also a Soulslike.

You need 38 Str and 17 Int to wield the homing laser.

In all honesty I kind of hope this game is a mic drop moment for them on Souls games. Like, this is such a masterpiece that I honestly have doubts even they could surpass it at this point. Better to leave it at the highest possible note and see what they can explore in other genres. Sekiro was an incredible example of that and I hope the new Armored Core will be too!

Yeah I think a departure from Dark Souls for a while would be preferred, unless they wanna do Bloodborne 2. Also would love to see a Sekiro sequel. Otherwise anything new that they come up with will be welcome.

CassandraCain posted...

Bloodborne 2

but this IS bloodborne 2

Also I think Sony owns the Bloodborne IP? I'm not sure - there were rumors Bluepoint might do it for a while. I could see it happening but I'd rather they not. Especially now!

That can't be true. Elden Ring has shields, it's DS4.

Elden Ring is Dark Souls 2 2

Otogi 3 please

CasanovaZelos posted...

Elden Ring is Dark Souls 2 2

It can be two things! It's 2 2s.

CasanovaZelos posted...

Elden Ring is Dark Souls 2 2

What's 2 plus 2

CassandraCain posted...

What's 2 plus 2

The 7th game in the beloved Soulsbournekiring series

"Cool, time to enter Leyndell"

Draconic Tree Sentinel: you don't have the right, O you don't have the right by the way you don't have the right, O you don't have the right

gimme sekiro 2 plz

honestly though at this point I am day 1 buying whatever miyazaki directs. never even played armored core but if he's helming it, lets go mechs

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

but this IS bloodborne 2

Also I think Sony owns the Bloodborne IP? I'm not sure - there were rumors Bluepoint might do it for a while. I could see it happening but I'd rather they not. Especially now!

They were straight up allowed to use that extra archstone to make a new area in DeS and said no. I can't see them doing a sequel.

You know what Rykard
fuck you
If you're gonna force me to do the unfun L2 spam all game, make me drop my usual shield play, I might as well as a Mimictear in there to make it as boring as possible.

This guy needs a a nerf on his stupid endless skull meteors

....wait I could have upgraded the weapon?
Son of a

Rykard easy mode, just put on the fire resistance talisman, get literally all the way up his ass in the middle of the lava, and smack his booty. Nothing can hit you besides his easily dodgeable telegraphed slam. Lava damage will be basically nothing with the talisman.

It's a cool gimmick fight but because of the talisman that is going to be 90% of players first talisman it is arguably the easiest to date.

I had the +2 talisman on, but the lava still staggered me for some reason
Honestly everything went fine, the first phase wasnt even the problem once I realized the timing for L2 attacks.

I just couldn't consistently dodge his meteor parade in phase2, so I got tired of being stubborn.

I also dont know how one normally dodges that earthquake attack the snake has in phase1.

Hm, odd, I never took stagger from the lava. Maybe something else I was wearing?

htaeD posted...

I also dont know how one normally dodges that earthquake attack the snake has in phase1.

You don't.

I just started shielding it because I was tired of trying every type of dodge and it not working lol

That seems like an oversight then.

Then again I also dont know how you dodge Fallingstar Beast's third rockspike attack consistently (unless you're on a horse)

I will say though, the death animation for the snake's eating attack is hilarious

I just used the (unupgraded) spear and attacked him with it and found the fight extremely easy on my first try... No talisman use or anything.

Yum yum yum

Finally beat Malenia. No summons, no ash, no parry.

I slapped on Bloodhound's Step on my Nagikaba to dodge the flurry and replaced my Uchi with Rivers of Blood, but I didn't use Corpse Piler. The difference in damage was significant, but it took longer to bleed her so I'm not sure exactly how much of a difference it made. Also interestingly I no longer seemed to ever seemed to break her into a riposte, but that was only happening once or twice before.

Feels good man.

Also for those interested SmvR found what seems to be a consistent close range roll dodge for the flurry, but hell if I can do it properly. I'm not sure if it's Light Roll only.

https://youtu.be/9fTOm2H5PUs?t=285

Yeah again the fight is easy once you get the L2 pattern down
(dont do it too early, or he just shrugs it off and attacks you right afterwards. Dont wait because he likes to attack when he sees you charging up.)

Its just that it was so out of my usual ballpark (I rarely use L2 attacks or Arts) that I needed time to adjust.
Then I just ran out of patience

Why do you keep saying L2? What do you have set as your L2?

I never used the weapon skill for the spear if that's what you're talking about.

Yeah, he means the weapon skill. You can't change the spear's L2.

The first hit takes a while but stuns him. The second hit does a ton of damage (which I embarassingly didn't even realize was a thing when I fought him).

But just poking him with it works just fine too.

Yeah I just mean L2 is the button to charge the spear with for me.
I also found it easier to just spam the first hit, but the second hit was nice to look at.

Somehow I got an extra 23999 runes for defeating Malenia. Afaik none of my equipment boosts rune gains, and that's a weird amount for something dying offscreen to give me.

Was probably raining golden leaves outside.

Game beat. After beating melania I finished it. Apparently missed a bunch of stuff given I only had one other mending rune but I was good not consulting guides to figure out what I missed.

If they put out DLC Ill start a new game plus for it

Got Mimic Tear to +10 today and uh, this thing was nerfed huh? Because it sure doesnt feel like it.

it was at least twice as tanky and would heal itself (im not sure if it still does this but i never saw it do it post-patch). also used special skills more often

Yeah, I only ever used Mimic after the nerf and I'm like holy shit this is just Ez Mode now even with my shitty build.

My og mimic tear basically soloed mohg and a lot of the other late game bosses

in hindsight, a reasonable nerf

as long as fromsoft doesn't know that you can obliterate mohg before phase 2 with comet azur we won't have any problems

Well, godskin duo was garbage as melee but clearly cheesable

But I just made it to Maliketh and have no idea how I'm going to tackle this

Yep.