Current Events > Why the double standard in reaction with USA/Russia starting a war?

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No one dared to impose economic sanctions on the USA when they started the war against Iraq for a worse reason than Putin's.

Makes me think if China is the one who invaded another country, say Taiwan, would the same economic sanctions also happen? Or would everyone just congratulate China on a successful invasion and move on cause no one wants to upset the country with the most $$$.

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idk about the war on iraq being for a worse reason than putins, chief. there was never an attempt to make iraq a US territory. the reasons were all bad but they were not quite as rabidly callous and the approach of the US in Iraq, as bad it was, was not as blatantly evil as Russia going in and destroying civilian areas from the very start

but yeah, i reckon the reason there were no sanctions on the usa is similar to why there would be none on china: too much pull in the world economy/politics

thatd be part of it, anyway. i think much of the eurocentric western world cares less about middle eastern countries or asian countries than they do european countries which is probably also why the ukraine invasion is being so much more harshly acted against than many other world conflicts or chinas current genocide

Bananana posted...

idk about the war on iraq being for a worse reason than putins, chief. there was never an attempt to make iraq a US territory. the reasons were all bad but they were not quite as rabidly callous and the approach of the US in Iraq, as bad it was, was not as blatantly evil as Russia going in and destroying civilian areas from the very start

but yeah, i reckon the reason there were no sanctions on the usa is similar to why there would be none on china: too much pull in the world economy/politics

thatd be part of it, anyway. i think much of the eurocentric western world cares less about middle eastern countries or asian countries than they do european countries which is probably also why ukraine is being so much more harshly acted against than many other world conflicts or chinas current genocide

I guess the lesson here is as long as you invade a country without any white people, you're good.

Geiki Ganger posted...

I guess the lesson here is as long as you invade a country without any white people, you're good.

white people or wealthy people, yep

i agree, all of this is bad

Invading Iraq was to remove Saddam, not keep it for ourselves.

Ukraine isn't or wasn't a threat to anyone as far as I know.

Now if there was Ukrainian terrorists going into Russia or other places starting shit then I'd understand Russia invading.

Bananana posted...

idk about the war on iraq being for a worse reason than putins, chief

Your biggest mistake was posting in a bait topic

these posts of "USA bad, so Russia is allowed to be bad too" are fucking annoying.

Its pointless TC, Americans dont like brown people so this falls on deaf ears. They invaded Iraq to steal oil, committed tremendous war crimes and killed tens of thousands of civilians, including women and children. The American soldiers raped and pillaged all throughout. But they will somehow believe they were better than Russia is now.

Well...
/Popcorn

Cleo_II posted...

Its pointless TC, Americans dont like brown people so this falls on deaf ears.

Uh.............. bruh?

PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

Invading Iraq was to remove Saddam, not keep it for ourselves.

Ukraine isn't or wasn't a threat to anyone as far as I know.

Now if there was Ukrainian terrorists going into Russia or other places starting shit then I'd understand Russia invading.

Iraq did not have big terrorist problem until the US destabilized the country.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Uh.............. bruh?

Im speaking as an Arab. And I remember how Americans acted back then.

Dumb thread. Stop responding.

Well shit. Guess this means we should give Ukraine to Hitler Jr then.

Shut the fuck up.

Putin is a dictator in power for decades and wants to take over land with hundreds of millions of lives at stake. Also a lot of people do really hate Russia for intervening in US Elections and constantly hacking our infrastructure and spying on our networks etc.

Cleo_II posted...

Its pointless TC, Americans dont like brown people so this falls on deaf ears.

Because there are no brown Americans right?

People who use this crisis to troll are like the lowest of the low

cjsdowg posted...

Iraq did not have big terrorist problem until the US destabilized the country.

Because me allowed them to try and run it themselves.

WorsCaseOntario posted...

Because there are no brown Americans right?

Next you'll tell me Texas loves trans people because they haven't executed them yet.

whitelytning posted...

Dumb thread. Stop responding.

Why is it dumb though? It seems people just say that with these threads but its the truth, there is hypocrisy here. I dont think its dumb or trolling to point out. It doesnt mean that whats happening now is in any way ok. Its atrocious. But it was atrocious when America invaded Iraq too.

I would hope Americans look at these current horrors in Ukraine and have a moment of self reflection (and maybe even an ounce of remorse but I know Im kidding myself) and remember how they werent much better not too long ago. Just as how most Russians support this now because they believe their current governments propaganda, Americans also supported the war in Iraq thinking they were doing some great justice. I dont see why its so bad to have an honest discussion about it. But its much easier to brush off and dismiss I guess.

PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

Because me allowed them to try and run it themselves.

Are you joking ? Honestly I am asking this not being sarcastic ?

Heres the tragic part about TC making this thread. He was FOR the war in Iraq, but only is twisting around like this because he does not like Russia being sanctioned. Then hes trying imply were racist for supporting Ukraine because we dont go to these lengths to defend brown people but he loved it when Iraqis got bombed.

cjsdowg posted...

Are you joking ? Honestly I am asking this not being sarcastic ?

First off I meant "we" not "me".

The US had no real control.

We just hung around as volunteer police.

Once all Russia military forces are remove in future FPS/3rd person shooter games, the next enemy faction will be Chin-

Oh wait, can't do that since everyone wants to appease the Chinese. Guess we're stuck with N. Korea.

Iraq invaded Kuwait and was condemned by the entire Arab world and he used chemical weapons. We took out a war criminal and toppled an evil, autocratic regime. This is like apples and oranges here, how do you compare Ukraine to Iraq in this situation.

ncsonic posted...

Heres the tragic part about TC making this thread. He was FOR the war in Iraq, but only is twisting around like this because he does not like Russia being sanctioned. Then hes trying imply were racist for supporting Ukraine because we dont go to these lengths to defend brown people but he loved it when Iraqis got bombed.

I didnt know that, very possible he made this topic in bad faith. But I remember most of this board (and online comments at other sites) being heavily in favor. Its hard to forget. I remember all the references of kill all those sand ******* and wishing USA would blow Iraq up off the map and such.

Cleo_II posted...

I would hope Americans look at these current horrors in Ukraine and have a moment of self reflection (and maybe even an ounce of remorse but I know Im kidding myself) and remember how they werent much better not too long ago. Just as how most Russians support this now because they believe their current governments propaganda, Americans also supported the war in Iraq thinking they were doing some great justice. I dont see why its so bad to have an honest discussion about it. But its much easier to brush off and dismiss I guess.

Well I guess l need to be callous towards the suffering of Ukrainians since my redneck fellow Americans were callous towards the suffering of Iraqis.

Pointing out hypocrisy is not the most important part of the Ukraine tragedy.

murica has a gang of nations ready to bully someone, of course they can get away with shit

ncsonic posted...

Heres the tragic part about TC making this thread. He was FOR the war in Iraq, but only is twisting around like this because he does not like Russia being sanctioned. Then hes trying imply were racist for supporting Ukraine because we dont go to these lengths to defend brown people but he loved it when Iraqis got bombed.

Not sure who you are remembering, but I never made a topic about the war in Iraq. Also not sure where you are getting the idea that I'm against Russia being sanctioned. I'm certainly not a porn star.

sneakysnake posted...

Once all Russia military forces are remove in future FPS/3rd person shooter games, the next enemy faction will be Chin-

Oh wait, can't do that since everyone wants to appease the Chinese. Guess we're stuck with N. Korea.

Makes you wonder how Russia's feel about Goldeneye 64?

hockeybub89 posted...

Well I guess l need to be callous towards the suffering of Ukrainians since my redneck fellow Americans were callous towards the suffering of Iraqis.

Pointing out hypocrisy is not the most important part of the Ukraine tragedy.

Not asking anyone to be callous about Ukrainians suffering. Just look at the posts here who still are spewing all the same nonsense about why the Iraq war was justified and nothing like todays war. Its very easy for governments to brainwash their citizens. Its eerie how similar it is to how Russian people today may actually believe that they are just there to denazify and liberate Ukraine. Like I said, its worth talking about in order to promote self reflection and avoid more horrors like these in the future. I dont see how that takes anything away from what is happening now.

kelemvor posted...

Iraq invaded Kuwait and was condemned by the entire Arab world and he used chemical weapons. We took out a war criminal and toppled an evil, autocratic regime. This is like apples and oranges here, how do you compare Ukraine to Iraq in this situation.

We are talking about the second Iraq war, not the second one. Over 200,000 civilians died because of this war ,and that is not counting the people who died of a things like not having food or water because of the war. The fact that people still trying to justify this war is cazy. America destabilized a whole region .

Guess the idea was to liberate Iraq from Saddam and Afghanistan from the Taliban?

With some expected dips in return of course.

And why is it always about what white people think?

All the black people I know or work with doesn't give a shit about whats going on in Africa or even know who Boko Haram is.

All the Mexicans I work with has never been to Mexico and don't give a shit about whats happening there.

The local Indians and Pakistanis don't give a shit about Kashmir.

PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

All the Mexicans I work with has never been to Mexico

Then they are not Mexicans, just people with Mexican heritage...

PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

Guess the idea was to liberate Iraq from Saddam and Afghanistan from the Taliban?

Did the people in Iraq want to be liberated ?

PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

Guess the idea was to liberate Iraq from Saddam and Afghanistan from the Taliban?

No. The idea was that Bush Jr wanted to continue his daddys war. He and his administration made up the WMDs in order to ride on the general populations feelings at the time of wanting to get back at the Taliban in Afghanistan. It made things very easy to fan the flames and get the country on board with the invasion of Iraq. The goal was to take down Saddam and install another puppet and get cheap oil.

Remember when I said

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Nobody post

And none of y'all listened? Fun times, man. Fun times.

Cleo_II posted...

No. The idea was that Bush Jr wanted to continue his daddys war. He and his administration made up the WMDs in order to ride on the general populations feelings at the time of wanting to get back at the Taliban in Afghanistan. It made things very easy to fan the flames and get the country on board with the invasion of Iraq. The goal was to take down Saddam and install another puppet and get cheap oil.

Not seeing it at the pump.

The Iraq war was not popular. I remember seeing many anti-war protests.
That said, Saddam Hussein was a ruthless dictator who deserved to be deposed. It's just that the whole invasion was started for political reasons with the claims of Saddam having WMD's dubious at best. It was a simple resource grab. Worse, the US had no post-war plan for Iraq and Iraqians. It was get in, take care of Saddam, and oil be happy.

The Iraqi army was disbanded, and many of its soldiers left unemployed, destitute, and embittered. It's no wonder they became insurgients, and eventually, terrorists. Ukraine, however, is a democratic country., and Zelenskyy was elected in a fair and free election. Russia and Putin is the opposite.
This is democracy coming under attack by authoritarianism, a war between good and evil.

US atrocities were unquestionably disgraceful and condemnable and I will not defend them, but Putin's committing deliberate war crimes with not even a hint of a believable apology or justification. All they have offered is infurtiatingly blatant bullshit. US misdeeds aren't comparable to Russia's abject and indefensible terror bombing. Make no mistake, Putin's goal is not the toppling of a regime and taking of the resources. No, it's more than that. Worse than that. It's conquest. He has himself said that Ukraine has no right to exist,a nd that Ukraine needs to be demilitarized and "denazified". Zelenskyy is Jewish! If Ukraine was Nazi, they would NOT have a Jew as a president!

USA did not invade Iraq to annex it into Texas or Iowa or whatever. Oh yes, USA invading Iraq was bad, but Russia invading Ukraine is evil.

Geiki Ganger posted...

No one dared to impose economic sanctions on the USA when they started the war against Iraq for a worse reason than Putin's.

America was able to trick other countries into thinking Iraq had nukes because nobody liked Iraq.

Russia has been the boogeyman for the West for decades now. But, Putin has been trying his best to restore the USSR by fucking around in his backyard and destabilizing the West. This is not the first time he's done this: remember he's been fucking with Ukraine for years now and before that had already went to war with Georgia.

Thompson posted...

The Iraq war was not popular. I remember seeing many anti-war protests.
That said, Saddam Hussein was a ruthless dictator who deserved to be deposed. It's just that the whole invasion was started for political reasons with the claims of Saddam having WMD's dubious at best. It was a simple resource grab. Worse, the US had no post-war plan for Iraq and Iraqians. It was get in, take care of Saddam, and oil be happy.

The Iraqi army was disbanded, and many of its soldiers left unemployed, destitute, and embittered. It's no wonder they became insurgients, and eventually, terrorists. Ukraine, however, is a democratic country., and Zelenskyy was elected in a fair and free election. Russia and Putin is the opposite.
This is democracy coming under attack by authoritarianism, a war between good and evil.

US atrocities were unquestionably disgraceful and condemnable and I will not defend them, but Putin's committing deliberate war crimes with not even a hint of a believable apology or justification. All they have offered is infurtiatingly blatant bullshit. US misdeeds aren't comparable to Russia's abject and indefensible terror bombing. Make no mistake, Putin's goal is not the toppling of a regime and taking of the resources. No, it's more than that. Worse than that. It's conquest. He has himself said that Ukraine has no right to exist,a nd that Ukraine needs to be demilitarized and "denazified". Zelenskyy is Jewish! If Ukraine was Nazi, they would NOT have a Jew as a president!

USA did not invade Iraq to annex it into Texas or Iowa or whatever. Oh yes, USA invading Iraq was bad, but Russia invading Ukraine is evil.

Thank you for more eloquently explaining the point I was trying to make back in post #27. I'm half drunk and just trying to keep up.

Obviously, the first Iraq War was justifiable in some ways, the second Iraq War might be dubious in hindsight, but there were definitely Iraqi civilians that were happy for us to be there.

This situation in Ukraine isn't even close to being the same thing. ANYONE who has a brain and isn't believing blatant propaganda understands this.

kelemvor posted...

I'm half drunk and just trying to keep up.

You're not the only one.

Thompson posted...

The Iraq war was not popular. I remember seeing many anti-war protests.
That said, Saddam Hussein was a ruthless dictator who deserved to be deposed. It's just that the whole invasion was started for political reasons with the claims of Saddam having WMD's dubious at best. It was a simple resource grab. Worse, the US had no post-war plan for Iraq and Iraqians. It was get in, take care of Saddam, and oil be happy.

The Iraqi army was disbanded, and many of its soldiers left unemployed, destitute, and embittered. It's no wonder they became insurgients, and eventually, terrorists. Ukraine, however, is a democratic country., and Zelenskyy was elected in a fair and free election. Russia and Putin is the opposite.
This is democracy coming under attack by authoritarianism, a war between good and evil.

US atrocities were unquestionably disgraceful and condemnable and I will not defend them, but Putin's committing deliberate war crimes with not even a hint of a believable apology or justification. All they have offered is infurtiatingly blatant bullshit. US misdeeds aren't comparable to Russia's abject and indefensible terror bombing. Make no mistake, Putin's goal is not the toppling of a regime and taking of the resources. No, it's more than that. Worse than that. It's conquest. He has himself said that Ukraine has no right to exist,a nd that Ukraine needs to be demilitarized and "denazified". Zelenskyy is Jewish! If Ukraine was Nazi, they would NOT have a Jew as a president!

USA did not invade Iraq to annex it into Texas or Iowa or whatever. Oh yes, USA invading Iraq was bad, but Russia invading Ukraine is evil.

There were protests, mostly globally and some in the US (I attended one in Canada) but initially approval ratings by Americans was over 70% in favor of invading Iraq and then over the years it decreased. Thats like saying that because some Russians are protesting now that means most are against it. Unfortunately that isnt the case. Though over time I could see them waking up.

Many other countries condemned the US over the war and Americans were combative about it. I mean thats where the whole freedom fries crap came from. You can tell yourself its not comparable all you want but hospitals, schools, civilian homes, and such were also bombed by the US. The US soldiers raped and killed women and children for sport. Maybe it didnt happen at the same intensity and as quickly as Russia now, but I wouldnt say that makes it any less evil.