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Squall28
03/01/22 9:50:35 AM
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CrimsonAngel
03/01/22 9:51:19 AM
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I don't know if you've heard but Trump created NATO

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downisthenewup
03/01/22 9:58:17 AM
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"If the prosecutor is not fired, youre not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. He got fired." - Joe Biden.
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Giant_Aspirin
03/01/22 10:20:54 AM
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remember when Trump repeatedly did everything Russia wanted him to? remember how his son told the entire world (and without any shame) that their family gets all of the money they want or need from Russia? remember when everyone except diehard MAGAs were concerned about Trumps ties to Russia and what he owes them and the MAGAs just buried their heads in the sand and said "NUH UNH".

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AldousIsDead
03/01/22 10:22:06 AM
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I memba.

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RenescoStCewl
03/01/22 10:22:56 AM
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Remember when trump was too big of a pussy to do anything about the bounties Russia put on our soliders in Syria?

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AldousIsDead
03/01/22 10:23:24 AM
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Memba that too.

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ALIEN_WORK2HOP
03/01/22 10:24:00 AM
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remember when Trump called Putin smart for "walking into Ukraine and taking it" last week.


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FortuneCookie
03/01/22 10:47:03 AM
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It makes me wonder why Putin waited. Had he attacked on Trump's watch, the US would probably be sending Russia weapons and supplies.
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Ruvan22
03/01/22 10:48:56 AM
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Keith Valentine remembers and believes doing so showed... strength to Russia?
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scorpion41
03/01/22 10:51:01 AM
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FortuneCookie posted...
It makes me wonder why Putin waited. Had he attacked on Trump's watch, the US would probably be sending Russia weapons and supplies.

Because he knows Biden wont do shit about it. Trump was more of a crapshoot. Yeah they acted buddy buddy, but if Trump decided to do an about-face Russia would be screwed. So it was smarter to wait until he wasnt in office.

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DirkDiggles
03/01/22 11:01:53 AM
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scorpion41 posted...
Because he knows Biden wont do shit about it. Trump was more of a crapshoot. Yeah they acted buddy buddy, but if Trump decided to do an about-face Russia would be screwed. So it was smarter to wait until he wasnt in office.

Putin: I'm going to invade the Ukraine and get it back to the USSR....I mean Mother Russia.
Trump: Yes, daddy. You want a shoulder massage or a foot rub?

Trump has invested heavily in to Russia, whether it was money or business.

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DirkDiggles
03/01/22 11:10:17 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/7/7/AAam6dAAC-3R.jpg

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IndorilGawain
03/01/22 11:11:10 AM
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scorpion41 posted...
Because he knows Biden wont do shit about it. Trump was more of a crapshoot. Yeah they acted buddy buddy, but if Trump decided to do an about-face Russia would be screwed. So it was smarter to wait until he wasnt in office.
I swear the fucking delusions are just hilarious at this point

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Sackgurl
03/01/22 11:14:24 AM
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scorpion41 posted...
Because he knows Biden wont do s*** about it.

biden froze the assets of the russian central bank

their stock market dropped 41% yesterday

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scorpion41
03/01/22 11:53:01 AM
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IndorilGawain posted...
I swear the fucking delusions are just hilarious at this point

Trump dropped the MOAB in Afghanistan for shits and giggles. Putin didnt want to risk a war with Trump in office. Thats the equivalent of a pit bull turning on you while youre asleep.

Sackgurl posted...
biden froze the assets of the russian central bank

their stock market dropped 41% yesterday

Which does nothing to slow Russias army down. Putin knew the world wouldnt care for his invasion of Ukraine, but wont risk direct conflict. Bidens response doesnt do anything to push Russia back, and Putin isnt going to sweat his countrys economy.

Friendly reminder that Mitt Romney warned everyone about Russia during his 2012 campaign, but everyone dismissed him as being stuck in the 80s. Wellhere we are.

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IndorilGawain
03/01/22 11:55:35 AM
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IndorilGawain posted...
I swear the fucking delusions are just hilarious at this point


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Sackgurl
03/01/22 2:21:08 PM
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scorpion41 posted...
Which does nothing to slow Russias army down.

i see you are not familiar with how logistics work

the russian military budget in 2021 was equivalent to 70 billion USD. this war will cost much more than that on its own.

their foreign exchange reserves were about ten times that amount, but now are all frozen

they don't have another separate cash pile they can draw from to finance these operations--that was their war chest

the sanctions toasted their economy, so there's not going to be a tax revenue flow or bond selling as an option to fund their military operations.

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scorpion41
03/01/22 3:28:00 PM
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Sackgurl posted...
i see you are not familiar with how logistics work

It could take a long while to see a direct impact on the army from the sanctions. Putin had been building their economy for this moment for years to shield it from immediate effects like they experienced in 2014. That little delay could be enough of a window to take the Ukraine like he wants to. I never denied there wouldnt eventually be effects, but Putin doesnt care about the long- term. This conflict isnt going to last long enough to sap up all of their reserves, unless someone else gets directly involved.

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Sackgurl
03/01/22 4:04:56 PM
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scorpion41 posted...
Putin had been building their economy for this moment for years to shield it from immediate effects like they experienced in 2014.

what he had been building was foreign currency and gold reserves

which were frozen

scorpion41 posted...
This conflict isnt going to last long enough to sap up all of their reserves

it very likely will, because of the nature of their offensive

they know they can't just carpet bomb all resistance into the ground, which renders a lot of their military strengths less useful in ending the war quickly

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Keith_Valentine
03/01/22 4:36:17 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
remember when Trump repeatedly did everything Russia wanted him to? remember how his son told the entire world (and without any shame) that their family gets all of the money they want or need from Russia? remember when everyone except diehard MAGAs were concerned about Trumps ties to Russia and what he owes them and the MAGAs just buried their heads in the sand and said "NUH UNH".

Can you even name anything Trump did because Russia wanted him to without googling? Let alone anything that was harmful to American interests. I hear a lot about ties to Russia , and I know he beat the charges of Russian collusion. So how exactly is Trump Putins bitch , aside from the fact he was friendly? You'd think improving relations with a historic enemy would be a good thing.
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mustachedmystic
03/01/22 5:06:51 PM
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DirkDiggles posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/7/7/AAam6dAAC-3R.jpg
Someone should do one where they are in prison garb, and Trump is holding Putin's turned out pocket.

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ManFromUncle
03/01/22 5:14:10 PM
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remember when trump and his cult committed treason?

oh wait that still happens everyday

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mybbqrules
03/01/22 5:34:16 PM
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Keith_Valentine posted...
Can you even name anything Trump did because Russia wanted him to without googling? Let alone anything that was harmful to American interests. I hear a lot about ties to Russia , and I know he beat the charges of Russian collusion. So how exactly is Trump Putins bitch , aside from the fact he was friendly? You'd think improving relations with a historic enemy would be a good thing.
Trump sided with Putin over his own intelligence agencies.

Trump tried to move mountains to get Russia back into G7.

Trump ignored the evidence of Russia putting bounties on American troops.

Those are just the ones I came up with off the top of my head. There are a lot more I've seen posted.

Now, Mr. 2001 account with 800 karma who's totally not a troll alt, your response?

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sktgamer_13dude
03/01/22 5:37:06 PM
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Yes, tell us again how Russia was able to stockpile supplies during a major pandemic that wrecked Russia and global supply chains.

scorpion really has a prescription for a high dose of copium lmao

Oh god now Keith is here too. Keep simping for daddy Trump, Keith. He still doesnt care about you, no matter how much you simp tho

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Ruvan22
03/01/22 5:39:51 PM
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Keith_Valentine posted...
Can you even name anything Trump did because Russia wanted him to without googling? Let alone anything that was harmful to American interests. I hear a lot about ties to Russia , and I know he beat the charges of Russian collusion. So how exactly is Trump Putins bitch , aside from the fact he was friendly? You'd think improving relations with a historic enemy would be a good thing.

Some of your questions were addressed below, but you do realize he didn't "beat the charges", right? Some Republicans even said that regardless of Trump having done what he was charged with, he had "learned his lesson" and no further punishment was needed. You might want to read up on the actual impeachment event.
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DirkDiggles
03/01/22 5:44:56 PM
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Keith_Valentine posted...
Can you even name anything Trump did because Russia wanted him to without googling? Let alone anything that was harmful to American interests. I hear a lot about ties to Russia , and I know he beat the charges of Russian collusion. So how exactly is Trump Putins bitch , aside from the fact he was friendly? You'd think improving relations with a historic enemy would be a good thing.

Ivanka Trump has tried countless times to patent Russian made voting machines. Jr is best friends with his business manager, Fabian Baussart, who was a major player in the Syrian civil war and also nominated Putin for the noble peace prize. Don also owns a bank in Russia. Need I go on?????

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008Zulu
03/03/22 12:20:08 AM
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Certainly the biggest traitor in recent memory.

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pegusus123456
03/03/22 12:36:37 AM
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Keith_Valentine posted...


Can you even name anything Trump did because Russia wanted him to without googling?

Trump had the US military abandon their bases in Syria and Russia promptly captured them.

After putin seized Crimea, Obama put sanctions on Russia. Trump immediately tried to get rid of those sanctions for his buddy, and criticized the codification of them, eventually lifting the sanctions on the a handful of the oligarchs that were mainly affected by this. Then he declared that Crimea belonged to Russia, recognizing the legitimacy of their invasion.: Trump Told G7 Leaders That Crimea Is Russian

Russia keeps creeping advancing the border with Georgia. They just literally move fences and markers at night and take land a few hundred meters at a time. This happened during Trump's administration. Trump did nothing.

Belarus, which is a puppet for Putin, as he wants Ukraine to be, is run by his puppet dictator Lukashenko. Lukashenko won a clearly rigged election in 2020, leading to mass protests. A similar situation happened in Ukraine during Obama's administration, and we backed the protests and they ousted Yanukovych, and Ukraine was able to elect a free government that wasn't Putins puppet. So when a similar situation arises while Trump was president, guess what we did?
The Trump Administration Has Gone AWOL on Belarus

Guess who ran Putin's puppet, Yanukovych's campaign in ukraine... Paul Manafort and Rick Gates. Then they become Trump's campaign manager and deputy campaign manager. How Paul Manafort Helped Elect Russia's Man in Ukraine

Manafort then pleads guilty to fraud, conspiracy, money laundering. Yes Trump's presidential campaign manager, a Putin-puppet enabler in Ukraine, comes to America, helps Trump get elected, then is imprisoned essentially for collaborating with a foreign government (guess which one). Trump pardoned him.

Putin invades Ukraine, Trump praises him, while also thinking the US helped them by sending an amphibious attack on Ukraine, and only thinks its wrong because biden let people find out about it. Trump had the US military abandon their bases in Syria and Russia promptly captured them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/t2n0gh/comment/hyo0y93/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

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DrizztLink
03/03/22 12:55:23 AM
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Oh, Keith is back.

These morons just reappear and get clapped in waves.

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Keith_Valentine
03/03/22 1:21:50 AM
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Oh damn , I missed all these loving posts.

mybbqrules posted...
Trump sided with Putin over his own intelligence agencies.

Trump tried to move mountains to get Russia back into G7.

Trump ignored the evidence of Russia putting bounties on American troops.

Those are just the ones I came up with off the top of my head. There are a lot more I've seen posted.

Now, Mr. 2001 account with 800 karma who's totally not a troll alt, your response?

The Russian bounties story was debunked I think. Where those the best you got?

Ruvan22 posted...
Some of your questions were addressed below, but you do realize he didn't "beat the charges", right? Some Republicans even said that regardless of Trump having done what he was charged with, he had "learned his lesson" and no further punishment was needed. You might want to read up on the actual impeachment event.

I know about it , he wasnt removed from office.

DirkDiggles posted...
Ivanka Trump has tried countless times to patent Russian made voting machines. Jr is best friends with his business manager, Fabian Baussart, who was a major player in the Syrian civil war and also nominated Putin for the noble peace prize. Don also owns a bank in Russia. Need I go on?????

I said how is Trump Putins bitch , not "post me a bunch of random shit"

DrizztLink posted...
Oh, Keith is back.

These morons just reappear and get clapped in waves.

Low energy post
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Ruvan22
03/03/22 10:06:34 AM
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Keith_Valentine posted...


I know about it , he wasnt removed from office.


So why did you claim he was "exonerated"? That's not at ALL close to "not being removed from office"
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Ruvan22
03/03/22 10:47:21 AM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


This seems blindingly obvious (any chaos/disorganization in NATO or the west is good) and thus Putin works to make that happen.
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SHRlKE
03/03/22 10:49:46 AM
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Do we really have people in this topic openly wanting war with Russia. SMH.
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Rathinor
03/03/22 10:50:50 AM
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DrizztLink posted...
Oh, Keith is back.

These morons just reappear and get clapped in waves.
He's probably been hanging out in the Caution Club again
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Keith_Valentine
03/03/22 11:13:26 AM
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Ruvan22 posted...
So why did you claim he was "exonerated"? That's not at ALL close to "not being removed from office"

I said he beat the charges which he did , Mueller didn't find enough to convict him despite looking for two years. No collusion

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creativerealms
03/03/22 11:15:57 AM
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Keith_Valentine posted...
I said he beat the charges which he did , Mueller didn't find enough to convict him despite looking for two years. No collusion
At most it means Trump didn't know Russia was helping him, which let's face it doesn't make Trump look good. Instead of conspiring with them he was an unwitting pawn.

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Keith_Valentine
03/03/22 11:18:26 AM
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creativerealms posted...
At most it means Trump didn't know Russia was helping him, which let's face it doesn't make Trump look good. Instead of conspiring with them he was an unwitting pawn.


You know what really doesn't look good, screeching about collusion for two years then getting rekt rammed when you can't find the evidence to prove it.
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WorsCaseOntario
03/03/22 11:25:12 AM
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Russiagate is still a thing people believe?

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Heineken14
03/03/22 11:32:11 AM
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creativerealms posted...

At most it means Trump didn't know Russia was helping him, which let's face it doesn't make Trump look good. Instead of conspiring with them he was an unwitting pawn.


It wasn't even that. The Mueller report laid out instances of communication between the 2 but they were unable to charge the president with anything, because well... he's the president... and it would have to be left up to Congress to handle... and we saw how that went. It specifically said that if he were exonerated that they would say so. A lot of the direct connections weren't able to be made due to hostile witnesses, lying, and withholding of information.

Also, the republican led SIC also re-iterated the same thing.

To say that Donnie "beat the charges" is hilariously ignorant.

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Ruvan22
03/03/22 3:20:39 PM
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Keith_Valentine posted...
I said he beat the charges which he did , Mueller didn't find enough to convict him despite looking for two years. No collusion

Keith_Valentine posted...
You know what really doesn't look good, screeching about collusion for two years then getting rekt rammed when you can't find the evidence to prove it.


Okay I'm pretty sure you didn't "read into the impeachment event" despite your claim.
A) There was enough evidence for the impeachment be passed (the Congress part), ALONG with some Republicans saying their was sufficient evidence but "he had learned his lesson"
B) You keep talking about "convicted" - you do realize there is no such thing in impeachment right?
C) Can you really call it "beating the charges" when the jury says they are "coordinating your defense for you"? (McConnells words)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_inquiry_against_Donald_Trump

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Ruvan22
03/03/22 3:22:31 PM
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WorsCaseOntario posted...
Russiagate is still a thing people believe?

And yet you believe all the Nazi flags at the Canadian trucker rally were "false flags"
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Keith_Valentine
03/03/22 3:44:05 PM
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Ruvan22 posted...
Okay I'm pretty sure you didn't "read into the impeachment event" despite your claim.
A) There was enough evidence for the impeachment be passed (the Congress part), ALONG with some Republicans saying their was sufficient evidence but "he had learned his lesson"
B) You keep talking about "convicted" - you do realize there is no such thing in impeachment right?
C) Can you really call it "beating the charges" when the jury says they are "coordinating your defense for you"? (McConnells words)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_inquiry_against_Donald_Trump

You are acting like impeachment and the Mueller investigation are the same thing. They are not , the first impeachment was about withholding aid to Ukraine for dirt on Hunter and Joe. The Mueller investigation was separate and Democrats decide not to include Mueller in impeachment hearings.

DJT was not removed from office either time and he was not charged with anything by the Mueller probe. Impeachment was a PR move and Dems knew they almost certainly wouldn't be able to remove DJT. And yes I call it beating the charges.. because he beat them.

You are mixing up these events , and responding to me like I'm the stupid one, @Ruvan22 . I'm not saying you are stupid but you are talking to me like I am.
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Heineken14
03/03/22 6:08:23 PM
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Keith_Valentine posted...


You are acting like impeachment and the Mueller investigation are the same thing. They are not , the first impeachment was about withholding aid to Ukraine for dirt on Hunter and Joe. The Mueller investigation was separate and Democrats decide not to include Mueller in impeachment hearings.

DJT was not removed from office either time and he was not charged with anything by the Mueller probe. Impeachment was a PR move and Dems knew they almost certainly wouldn't be able to remove DJT. And yes I call it beating the charges.. because he beat them.

You are mixing up these events , and responding to me like I'm the stupid one, @Ruvan22 . I'm not saying you are stupid but you are talking to me like I am.


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Rathinor
03/04/22 8:03:27 AM
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Keith_Valentine posted...
I'm the stupid one
You've never spoken truer words
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Keith_Valentine
03/04/22 3:48:30 PM
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Rathinor posted...
You've never spoken truer words

Point out where I'm wrong , you can't
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punisher1
03/05/22 4:20:57 PM
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Squall28 posted...
Remember when Clinton promised the Ukraine that the U.S. would help them if they got rid of their nuclear arsenal. Pretty much saying we would protect them with the U.K. How's that working out?

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Sackgurl
03/07/22 8:30:04 AM
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punisher1 posted...
Remember when Clinton promised the Ukraine that the U.S. would help them if they got rid of their nuclear arsenal. Pretty much saying we would protect them with the U.K. How's that working out?
Ukraine never had command and control of any of the Soviet nuclear weapons that existed on its territory

https://www.cato.org/blog/soviet-nukes-ukraine-bargaining-chip-not-deterrent

You might be interested to know that the most important aspects of their deal were with Russia, relating to territorial recognition and respect.

Jk I know you don't give a shit


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