Current Events > Count Dooku vs Darth Maul

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Unfortunately if we're counting Clone Wars and Rebels, I've gotta go Maul.

Dooku may win in a straight up fight. But as a character, Maul far outclassed him. Those series reinvented him from a "cool looking dude with no character" to one of the more interesting people in the franchise.

StormFury posted...

But isn't that the point of the rule of two? If Dooku managed to usurp Palps, that means the better guy won and the Sith will become stronger as a result.

Palpatine did not even honor the rule of two to become the master, he literally killed Plagus in his sleep because in a one vs one match he was still not as powerful as Plagus but he felt he should be in charge.

Palpatine is a sith but he picks and chooses when the rules apply to him and what rules are convenient at that moment.

RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

Palpatine is a sith but he picks and chooses when the rules apply to him and what rules are convenient at that moment.

Sounds like a pretty Sith thing to do to me tbh.

Funkydog posted...

Sounds like a pretty Sith thing to do to me tbh.

Yeah lol

Funkydog posted...

Sounds like a pretty Sith thing to do to me tbh.

Not when it makes the sith weaker, Banes rule of two was there for a reason and to make sure they became more powerful then the jedi before revealing themselves. Not following the rule of two costs the sith centuries of careful tactical planning all due to Palpatine refusing to follow tactics that had worked for centuries. In less then 30 years the sith not only got wiped out but they could not even rule without opposition for any amount of time.

Palpatine is also too stupid to realize 2 out of 3 of his students were doomed to failure as sith because they were not without empathy and were sith only due to a person they cared about dying, or turned to save another.

RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

Not when it makes the sith weaker, Banes rule of two was there for a reason and to make sure they became more powerful then the jedi before revealing themselves. Not following the rule of two costs the sith centuries of careful tactical planning all due to Palpatine refusing to follow tactics that had worked for centuries. In less then 30 years the sith not only got wiped out but they could not even rule without opposition for any amount of time.

Seems to pretty much define the Sith in every bit of Star Wars media then, from the films to games. Not saying it's sensible, but just in theme for the sith.

Funkydog posted...

Seems to pretty much define the Sith in every bit of Star Wars media then, from the films to games. Not saying it's sensible, but just in theme for the sith.

Well if we're being fair, the Sith were never more than just cartoonishly evil wizards in a space western for most of their existence and it's only through EU writers trying to turn that into something a bit more complex that we got some semblance of rules/order. If it sounds like Palpatine's actions don't line up with what "the sith" stand for it's only because of the order in which they were written.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/1/9/AAIOMWAAC-Q3.jpg

Sictis posted...

Tried clone wars but found it way too kiddy. Heard it gets more mature in later seasons but... Eh.

It does get better. Every single major character is improved in some way by the show. I'd say Dooku probably benefits from this the most simply because he's such an integral character to the actual Clone Wars. But the movies obviously only ever show you the very beginning and very end of the war, so Dooku as a character in the movies ends up being rather underwhelming.

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

I'd say Dooku probably benefits from this the most

Sorry, but I don't think that's possible while Anakin and Maul exist.

The series improved those characters' rotten writing so much that it's downright startling.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/223-star-wars/79682372

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DarkBuster22904 posted...

Sorry, but I don't think that's possible while Anakin and Maul exist.

The series improved those characters' rotten writing so much that it's downright startling.

Yeah you could argue it's one of them too.

Maul sucked even with Clone Wars and Rebels. He kept coming back and spending entire arcs setting up plans only for them to fail as soon as anyone pays him any attention. He finally started to get interesting in Rebels with his be my apprentice! thing, then they drop him for ages before going killing him off with no fanfare like they were bored of him. Dooku wasn't incredible, but at least it felt like there was some point to him. Maul was a joke character the entire time.

Neither of them have actual personality or motivations. (In the movies)

I got warned for asking/tagging moderators in this topic for consideration. Mods acting like I came at them disrespectful. A simple yes or no would have sufficed. I feel like I wouldn't have been modded if I didn't tag them. So arbitrary.