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sLaCkEr408___RJ
02/26/22 12:56:22 AM
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Best Character


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Sictis
02/26/22 12:59:49 AM
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Wasted potential vs... even more wasted potential. Idk.

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Verdekal
02/26/22 1:00:55 AM
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Maul was an attack dog, hence the name.

Dooku is way more the interesting character.

Dooku would've defeated Maul. He was probably stronger in the force and according to lore (can't remember if it's legends or canon but pretty sure it's canon) that Plageius paid him mind when Palpatine was young.

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IndorilGawain
02/26/22 1:01:14 AM
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Sictis posted...
Wasted potential vs... even more wasted potential. Idk.
Lol movie-only fans

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PrettyBoyFloyd
02/26/22 1:07:36 AM
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Dooku handed Wan's ass to him twice.

Fought Yoda and lived.

Only lost to Anakin the second time due to a screw job.

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GS4Life
02/26/22 1:08:17 AM
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Maul looks really badass and his fight was easily the best part of the prequels (I say this as someone who really enjoyed Anakin vs Obi-Wan and Yoda vs Palpatine)
but Dooku is played by Christopher Lee so he wins

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Heartomaton
02/26/22 1:10:04 AM
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Dookie wins because I like his curve-handled lightsaber more than Maul's double-bladed one.

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Sictis
02/26/22 1:10:34 AM
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Should've combined Maul and Dooku as the central villain of the PT imo

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GS4Life
02/26/22 1:11:02 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-CLZamrhtE

Sadly this is now deemed non-canon but it's still great

Keep in mind this was the version of Grevious that took down like 6 or 7 Jedi simultaneously

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FortuneCookie
02/26/22 1:13:06 AM
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It's awesome that they got Christopher Lee to be in two Star Wars movies after getting Peter Cushing to be in the first one, but the character doesn't have much in the way of screen presence and the name Dooku sounds like a child's nickname for fecal matter. "Eww. You stepped in dooku!"

Darth Maul is the kind of villain you can put on a movie poster and make people want to see it. The prequel trilogy made several mistakes. Writing him out after the first one is one of the big ones. You might be arguing that the time skip made it essential, but the time skip is part of the problem. Anakin should have been a teen or young adult when the trilogy began.
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IndorilGawain
02/26/22 1:17:55 AM
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Sorry, its Maul

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TheChariot1
02/26/22 1:22:04 AM
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FortuneCookie posted...
It's awesome that they got Christopher Lee to be in two Star Wars movies after getting Peter Cushing to be in the first one, but the character doesn't have much in the way of screen presence and the name Dooku sounds like a child's nickname for fecal matter. "Eww. You stepped in dooku!"

Darth Maul is the kind of villain you can put on a movie poster and make people want to see it. The prequel trilogy made several mistakes. Writing him out after the first one is one of the big ones. You might be arguing that the time skip made it essential, but the time skip is part of the problem. Anakin should have been a teen or young adult when the trilogy began.

Anakin would have been even less likely to be accepted as a Jedi at that point. He was too old at age 9. A 20-year old Padawan trainee? I don't even think Qui-Gon would have given him a second look. Luke only got it because of his heritage and because Obi-Wan and Yoda were out of options.
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Sictis
02/26/22 1:26:03 AM
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TheChariot1 posted...
Anakin would have been even less likely to be accepted as a Jedi at that point. He was too old at age 9. A 20-year old Padawan trainee?
It could've started after he was recruited. His recruitment could've easily been addressed through exposition/backstory. Didn't need an entire movie just for that.

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FortuneCookie
02/26/22 1:26:04 AM
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TheChariot1 posted...
Anakin would have been even less likely to be accepted as a Jedi at that point. He was too old at age 9. A 20-year old Padawan trainee? I don't even think Qui-Gon would have given him a second look. Luke only got it because of his heritage and because Obi-Wan and Yoda were out of options.

The original trilogy never established the exact age at which one has to begin training. When Yoda told Obi-Wan that Luke was "too old," he was trying to find an excuse to remain uninvolved. They could have had a 16 to 18 year old Anakin training to become a Jedi.

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sLaCkEr408___RJ
02/26/22 2:20:49 AM
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FortuneCookie posted...
The original trilogy never established the exact age at which one has to begin training. When Yoda told Obi-Wan that Luke was "too old," he was trying to find an excuse to remain uninvolved. They could have had a 16 to 18 year old Anakin training to become a Jedi.
Original Trilogy established twenty-two years is too old for humans to begin Jedi training. Yoda resisted teaching Luke due to ancient experience.

Prequel Trilogy revealed even nine year old humans were considered too old. It was further disclosed younglings trained at the temple possibly since birth.

This drives home how desperate the grandmaster was to accept a student old as Luke. A cautious situation reflecting the fateful acceptance of Anakin Skywalker's Jedi training
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Compsognathus
02/26/22 2:25:35 AM
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Dooku absolutely wrecks Maul in a fight. It isn't even close.

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PrettyBoyFloyd
02/26/22 2:34:42 AM
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Anyway... wouldn't being Force Sensitive count as cheating?

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Smackems
02/26/22 2:36:33 AM
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Christopher God Damn Lee

Why is this close

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TheChariot1
02/26/22 3:47:46 AM
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PrettyBoyFloyd posted...
Anyway... wouldn't being Force Sensitive count as cheating?

No, that's what makes a Jedi/Sith. You can't be a Jedi or Sith without being Force Sensitive.

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008Zulu
02/26/22 5:36:38 AM
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Dooku was old, he wouldn't last in a sustained fight. If he didn't finish it quickly enough, he would have ended up like Jinn.

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Kim_Seong-a
02/26/22 5:46:37 AM
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From what I've seen, Dooku has some really good characterization in the novelizations. Shame we never got to see it in the movies proper.

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spikethedevil
02/26/22 6:11:43 AM
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Maul if were counting Clone Wars and Rebels and not just the movies.

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rexcrk
02/26/22 6:31:51 AM
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Dooku by far.

Unless were counting the animated series.

Its still Dooku, but not by as much.


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Guerrilla Soldier
02/26/22 7:01:38 AM
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i remember the first time i saw dooku i had no idea what the character was doing and he bored me
i've rewatched the prequels several times since and i still have no idea what dooku's purpose is

meanwhile maul has spikes on his head and twirls things around more so i think he wins.

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TheChariot1
02/26/22 7:47:34 AM
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Guerrilla Soldier posted...
i remember the first time i saw dooku i had no idea what the character was doing and he bored me
i've rewatched the prequels several times since and i still have no idea what dooku's purpose is

meanwhile maul has spikes on his head and twirls things around more so i think he wins.

He was the Chancellor of the Separatist Senate which was led by Viceroy Gunray. He was also the former Sith apprentice to Palpatine before Palpatine replaced him with Anakin.

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Guerrilla Soldier
02/26/22 7:49:54 AM
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TheChariot1 posted...
He was the Chancellor of the Separatist Senate which was led by Viceroy Gunray. He was also the former Sith apprentice to Palpatine before Palpatine replaced him with Anakin.

that's cute but i still see no purpose anywhere in there

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TheChariot1
02/26/22 10:25:04 AM
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Guerrilla Soldier posted...


that's cute but i still see no purpose anywhere in there

What purpose are you looking for? He was a high-ranking antagonist.

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FortuneCookie
02/26/22 10:43:17 AM
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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
Original Trilogy established twenty-two years is too old for humans to begin Jedi training. Yoda resisted teaching Luke due to ancient experience.

Nah, it was him wanting to not get involved. He was pulling a Casablanca.

Prequel Trilogy revealed even nine year old humans were considered too old. It was further disclosed younglings trained at the temple possibly since birth.

This drives home how desperate the grandmaster was to accept a student old as Luke. A cautious situation reflecting the fateful acceptance of Anakin Skywalker's Jedi training

The prequel trilogy began with Episode I. They were making up the rules - not adhering to them. Anakin could've been 18 and the story would have played out just fine. Why did we need a cutesy kid to spout catchphrases like, "Now this is pod-racing!" ? I don't recall that being a part of the original trilogy.
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Letsago
02/26/22 10:46:05 AM
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Maul is cooler but Dooku is a more interesting character

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lilORANG
02/26/22 10:47:26 AM
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Dooku was top tier in terms of power. Trained by both Yoda and Sidious. Master of Qui-Gon.

I like Maul more, but if they went toe to toe, Dooku wins easily.

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LordYeezus
02/26/22 11:31:39 AM
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Double saber guy

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DeadBankerDream
02/26/22 11:34:54 AM
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Literally a race to the bottom of the barrel of poop. I guess the nothing guy with a satan face wins over the nothing guy with old man face.

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Gobstoppers12
02/26/22 11:38:26 AM
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Conceptually, they're both great. In the films, Maul is more interesting just because Dooku never feels like he's that impressive. Maul has the speed and kinetic movement that makes him feel capable of fighting two Jedi at once, whereas Dooku has kinda slow, sweeping movements that seem like a half-decent Jedi should be able to find the opening.

I get that Christopher Lee was like...80++ years old when episode II was made, but still, he looked a little feeble in his fight scenes and we were mostly left to trust that he was just uber powerful with the force and that's why he wasn't easily beaten by Obi-Wan and Anakin together.

In the expanded/cartoon content, they're both portrayed better, but between the two I think it does way more favors for Dooku than Maul. So I voted Dooku.

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Jagr_68
02/26/22 11:39:17 AM
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Smackems posted...
Christopher God Damn Lee

Why is this close


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sLaCkEr408___RJ
02/26/22 1:50:08 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
Nah, it was him wanting to not get involved. He was pulling a Casablanca.

The prequel trilogy began with Episode I. They were making up the rules - not adhering to them. Anakin could've been 18 and the story would have played out just fine. Why did we need a cutesy kid to spout catchphrases like, "Now this is pod-racing!" ? I don't recall that being a part of the original trilogy.
We didn't need what you're asking, but the dialogue makes sense whether Anakin started at age nine or age fifteen. Both Skywalkers were past the usual age limit when they began their jedi training.
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MKScorpion
02/26/22 1:53:15 PM
#39:


Darth Maul looks cooler

Dooku looks like a math teacher cosplaying a Sith Lord.

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Sictis
02/26/22 1:57:59 PM
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MKScorpion posted...
Dooku looks like a math teacher cosplaying a Sith Lord.


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s0nicfan
02/26/22 2:01:14 PM
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Dooku feels like somebody who could legitimately have been a threat to palpatine. Which is I assume why palpatine effectively had him assassinated. Maul on the other hand seems like a strong fighter but also the kind of lackey that palpatine would deploy because he knows Maul couldn't threaten his rule.

So just going by that, I would think that dooku would win in a real fight. I'm sure in the expanded universe books they had some sort of ridiculous battle where they threw planets at each other while waist deep in lava or something, though, that can more definitively answer the question.

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Heineken14
02/26/22 2:04:19 PM
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Maul at least had the coolness factor to him. Dooku was just fucking boring.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
02/26/22 2:14:36 PM
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Originally it was Palpatine just needed a placeholder until Anakin was where he wanted him, but Dooku actually got stronger as the clone wars went on. I forget what book goes into it but Palpatine starts to get concerned that Dooku is not only growing in power but he was also a natural leader.

Dooku was also almost willing to make peace or start negotiations with Yoda in one of the books I think making another problem for Palpatine.

One other issue is Dooku wanted to keep Obi-Wan alive since he was Qui-Gons student and Dooku wanted him to be his apprentice which was a hell no from Palpatine.

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Funkydog
02/26/22 2:24:10 PM
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Including the various cartoons, Maul easily wins it.

Based on just the films... Maul easily loses it.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
02/26/22 2:33:56 PM
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The big difference between Palpatine and Dooku was that even as a sith Dooku was not a hardcore believer. His ruthless ways pushed him from being a jedi but he had values of a jedi even to the end which is NOT something a sith has.

Not only did he care about his troopers and underlings he wanted them to be stronger like Ventress. Palpatine cared for no one and even Anakin was treated like garbage all due to a lost duel which at that point was clearly going to be difficult. Palpatine could have given him much better medical treatment. He had the tech to the point a suit was not needed to be so cumbersome or painful. He wanted Anakin to be tormented, and refused to allow him to heal better.

Palpatine was only ok with people getting stronger as long as they did not become a threat, he always wanted to be top dog.

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rexcrk
02/26/22 2:48:30 PM
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Funkydog posted...
Including the various cartoons, Maul easily wins it.

Based on just the films... Maul easily loses it.


One time, years ago, I got into an argument with some clown on the Star Wars board who claimed that The Clone Wars ruined Darth Maul.

I couldnt fuckin believe it. Im pretty sure the dude wasnt trolling either.


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nativengine
02/26/22 2:49:58 PM
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rexcrk posted...
One time, years ago, I got into an argument with some clown on the Star Wars board who claimed that The Clone Wars ruined Darth Maul.

I couldnt fuckin believe it. Im pretty sure the dude wasnt trolling either.
I remember this

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
02/26/22 2:54:27 PM
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That is why later on Palpatine spoke highly of Maul who was a sith all his life but shit on Dooku expressing how little he thought of him. As a fallen jedi Dooku was still someone who knew empathy and we see that in AOTC with him trying to turn Obi-Wan due to the master apprentice connection.

Palpatine also was so much a sith he was stupid enough to actually harm Anakins son forgetting the only reason he even got Vader was the promise to save his wife and child. In the eyes of Palpatine there was no way Vader would ever raise a hand to him but forgot Vader would do ANYTHING for his family.

In TESB not only can you see Vader hold back against Luke but he does his best to not harm him until Luke lands a hit on him. In a brief moment the rage/anger gets the best of him but he still collects himself wanting his son to join him.

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Sictis
02/26/22 2:59:27 PM
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IndorilGawain posted...
Lol movie-only fans
Tried clone wars but found it way too kiddy. Heard it gets more mature in later seasons but... Eh.

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StormFury
02/26/22 3:00:40 PM
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
Palpatine was only ok with people getting stronger as long as they did not become a threat, he always wanted to be top dog.

But isn't that the point of the rule of two? If Dooku managed to usurp Palps, that means the better guy won and the Sith will become stronger as a result.

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