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SomeGuyUO
02/16/22 6:11:38 PM
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That means they're conservative otherwise they would say AND instead of BUT.
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ScazarMeltex
02/16/22 6:13:58 PM
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The only people that say that are Republicans who want to smoke weed and let their mistresses get abortions.

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xXfireglzXx
02/16/22 6:17:57 PM
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Ideally, yeah.

A lot of these people aren't saying/thinking to strip away existing regulations, but rather to properly fund and enforce the existing regulations that exist to help people.

What's the point of rewriting the tax code if we aren't willing/able to enforce the current tax code for every citizen. People get jaded by non-functional regulatory bodies. The PPP-loan shit? Should have never happened. Regulatory bodies exist to prevent it from having happened. But without consistent enforcement it's just there is to make people "feel" like they're protected from corruption

I don't think there's anything unreasonable about asking for enforcement/funding of current regulations/programs before you can have the expectations that new regulations and funding will be met with success.

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DrizztLink
02/16/22 6:21:47 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
The only people that say that are Republicans who want to smoke weed and let their mistresses get abortions.
Libertarians?

Never mind, you don't mention age of consent.

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DarkRoast
02/16/22 6:23:18 PM
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I'm fiscally conservative which is precisely one of many reasons why I don't support the GOP.

That and they're fascists.


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Southernfatman
02/16/22 6:23:46 PM
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The problems are bad, but their causes are pretty good.

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02/16/22 6:25:18 PM
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Those people are ****ing degenerates, they disgust me.

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s0nicfan
02/16/22 6:30:51 PM
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SomeGuyUO posted...
That means they're conservative otherwise they would say AND instead of BUT.

Socially liberal but fiscally conservative means supporting broader access to higher education but also acknowledging that just asking the government to foot the bill doesn't resolve the issue of tuition spiraling out of control. It means increasing access to affordable housing but doing so nationwide rather than just trying to jam everybody into the bay area via rent control. It means wishing for broader access to healthcare but recognizing that the US spends like four times as much on healthcare per person than the rest of the world and unless you explicitly address that simply throwing more money at the problem doesn't fix anything.

Basically, it means having a desire to improve society but recognizing that the default position of "just increase taxes and throw money at the problem" is rarely the actual solution and addressing inefficiencies in the current system can be just as, if not more effective then the alternatives.

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TheOtherMike
02/16/22 6:35:53 PM
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SomeGuyUO posted...
That means they're conservative otherwise they would say AND instead of BUT.

My dad says AND. He's still just a conservative.
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ChocoboMogALT
02/16/22 6:39:31 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Basically, it means having a desire to improve society but recognizing that the default position of "just increase taxes and throw money at the problem" is rarely the actual solution and addressing inefficiencies in the current system can be just as, if not more effective then the alternatives
That's rarely the solution proposed to any problem, but often actually works when it's used well. Compare New Jersey's recent water problems to Michigan or Florida's. NJ saw the problem, made a plan, and gave an adequate budget until the problem was fixed.

Helps a lot when you don't fill every position you can with friends and family.

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ScazarMeltex
02/16/22 6:54:46 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
Libertarians?

Never mind, you don't mention age of consent.
I specifically don't. I've been warned twice for commenting on libertarians stance on the age of consent.

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harley2280
02/16/22 6:56:27 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
I'm fiscally conservative which is precisely one of many reasons why I don't support the GOP.
This. Social programs, and universal healthcare have a much higher return on taxpayer money. Corporations shouldn't be getting welfare, and should compete in the job market offering competitive compensation to employees.

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VitalGetPrank
02/16/22 7:15:18 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
The only people that say that are Republicans who want to smoke weed and let their mistresses get abortions.
Those two describe me to a T and I would never vote for a Republican unless there are some incredibly drastic changes.

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VigorouslySwish
02/16/22 7:17:49 PM
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Its what conservatives say when theyre outnumbered politically in a room


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AltyMcAltface
02/16/22 7:19:25 PM
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"i say i'm for progressive policies which will address social issues but i don't want funding to be approved for any of them and also i'm against reforming the structures and institutions that caused them in the first place"

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hockeybub89
02/16/22 7:21:43 PM
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Better than the opposite I guess

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voldothegr8
02/16/22 7:40:55 PM
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Future_Trunks posted...
yea the govts suck, for the most part

but when i hear people say that quote, i just think they want to try and fix the problems but not with their dollars

Here's the thing, we're already using our dollars for a vast amount of social programs already. It's not that I don't want to use my dollars, I want better management of those dollars I already pay.

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Esrac
02/16/22 7:48:26 PM
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The virgin socially liberal and fiscally conservative vs the Chad socially conservative and fiscally liberal.
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DrizztLink
02/16/22 8:32:02 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
I specifically don't. I've been warned twice for commenting on libertarians stance on the age of consent.
I'll do it.

It is nuanced.

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Guide
02/16/22 8:34:17 PM
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I think those people get the bad end of the Hanlon's pretty often. Lots of people just don't know shit.

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haloiscoolisbak
02/16/22 8:46:02 PM
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Esrac posted...
The virgin socially liberal and fiscally conservative vs the Chad socially conservative and fiscally liberal.

Elon Musk vs Tucker Carlson

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atmasabr
02/16/22 8:49:15 PM
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SomeGuyUO posted...
That means they're conservative otherwise they would say AND instead of BUT.

Oh, please.

Those people used to exist before Democrats went off the Foomy Punch deep end with immigration, crime, and linking social issues to money.

No? Those aren't the issues they went off the deep end on? Sorry for being five years out of date.

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foxhound101
02/16/22 8:57:57 PM
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In theory one interpretation of "I'm socially liberal BUT fiscally conservative" could mean that they support the social policies that don't cost money. So that would mean things like abortion, gay marriage, legalizing weed, etc.

But conservatives aren't fiscally conservative so I have no idea what that actually is supposed to mean. Conservatives only pretend to care about the budget but are just as bad if not worse at balancing it.

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ScazarMeltex
02/16/22 9:01:21 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
I'll do it.

It is nuanced.
Lol

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emblem boy
02/16/22 9:12:48 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Socially liberal but fiscally conservative means supporting broader access to higher education but also acknowledging that just asking the government to foot the bill doesn't resolve the issue of tuition spiraling out of control. It means increasing access to affordable housing but doing so nationwide rather than just trying to jam everybody into the bay area via rent control. It means wishing for broader access to healthcare but recognizing that the US spends like four times as much on healthcare per person than the rest of the world and unless you explicitly address that simply throwing more money at the problem doesn't fix anything.

Basically, it means having a desire to improve society but recognizing that the default position of "just increase taxes and throw money at the problem" is rarely the actual solution and addressing inefficiencies in the current system can be just as, if not more effective then the alternatives.


I would think that if someone is fiscally conservative, if it was shown that more money actually was needed to fix the problem, they would still say no, due to the increase in government spending.


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AloneIBreak
02/16/22 9:35:03 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
The only people that say that are Republicans who want to smoke weed and let their mistresses get abortions.

Basically. "Socially liberal but fiscally conservative" usually just means in favor of LGBT+ stuff and abortion while preferring to leave the free market to its own devices, usually with lower taxes, little social spending, etc. Most people who describe themselves this way think in the American libertarian tradition.

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KiwiTerraRizing
02/16/22 9:36:59 PM
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Any political ideology is 99% economic in practice

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LoyalToTheGame
02/16/22 9:57:36 PM
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Canadian here. I never vote for the Conversative party here in Canada.

Meh, I'm socially liberal and somewhat "fiscally conservative" - I don't know how to describe myself.

I have 0 problems with taxes and think that the government should tax the shit out of the rich and stop letting them get away with tax evasion via shady tactics or loop holes. I think the government should generally leave people alone but I also have no problem with regulations if they make sense because I don't believe in an entire "free market"

People need to be protected, the environment needs to be protected etc. Too many people are shady, unethical assholes and I think the government should serve EVERYONE, not just the wealthy or the most educated. Do I think government spending could be better? Yes I do.
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Sheor
02/16/22 9:57:44 PM
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Actually, socially liberal and fiscal conservative is the only reasonable stance one can have.

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Hoodroar
02/16/22 10:01:17 PM
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In a society of geniuses, one should be fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

In a society of fools, one should be fiscally liberal and socially conservative.

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KiwiTerraRizing
02/16/22 10:02:23 PM
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Sheor posted...
Actually, socially liberal and fiscal conservative is the only reasonable stance one can have.

But what does fiscally conservative mean? Republicans have increased the debt and spent more than Democrat presidents since Reagan. They just dont spend it on helping people.

The right is neither socially liberal or fiscally conservative.

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Questionmarktarius
02/16/22 10:02:43 PM
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Sheor posted...
Actually, socially liberal and fiscal conservative is the only reasonable stance one can have.
Socially anarchist and fiscally nihilist.
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Hornswoggled
02/16/22 10:03:31 PM
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The hell with people who won't conform to the binary!
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Sheor
02/16/22 10:06:43 PM
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...
But what does fiscally conservative mean? Republicans have increased the debt and spent more than Democrat presidents since Reagan. They just dont spend it on helping people.

The right is neither socially liberal or fiscally conservative.

I'm a Democrat, BTW. But increasing the military budget is good, we need to keep the world safe. It's OK if we go into debt to keep the military ready.

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KiwiTerraRizing
02/16/22 10:08:57 PM
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Sheor posted...
I'm a Democrat, BTW. But increasing the military budget is good, we need to keep the world safe. It's OK if we go into debt to keep the military ready.

Dont sound like a democrat

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ScazarMeltex
02/16/22 10:10:01 PM
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...
Dont sound like a democrat
No it absolutely does, and should remind people that dems aren't leftists.

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Naysaspace
02/16/22 10:11:15 PM
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Wrong again good sir. Not everything paid for with taxes is "a social program"

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ZMythos
02/16/22 10:16:29 PM
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Esrac posted...
Chad socially conservative and fiscally liberal.
That's actually just Fascism when you think about it.

Spend every dime on maintaining an authoritarian ethnostate fueled by racist nationalist dogma.

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Sheor
02/16/22 10:16:44 PM
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...
Dont sound like a democrat

I'm an Obama/Clinton democrat, not a Bernie/AOC democrat.

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ZMythos
02/16/22 10:17:33 PM
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Naysaspace posted...
Wrong again good sir. Not everything paid for with taxes is "a social program"
I mean, it literally is by definition. Taxes pay for people, places, and things that are aligned to a specific goal or goals, and everyone (most people) pay taxes.

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Ruvan22
02/16/22 11:03:45 PM
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Sheor posted...
I'm an Obama/Clinton democrat, not a Bernie/AOC democrat.
So what values and platforms do you have?
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RchHomieQuanChi
02/16/22 11:07:33 PM
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"Socially liberal but fiscally conservative" = I agree that racism is bad, but I don't care enough to do anything about it. Aka the Democratic Party

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Solid Snake07
02/16/22 11:07:39 PM
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ITT libertarians are fictional creatures like unicorns

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RchHomieQuanChi
02/16/22 11:14:07 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
ITT libertarians are fictional creatures like unicorns

More like just stoned, white college students with no idea about how the world works.

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Solid Snake07
02/16/22 11:17:19 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
More like just stoned, white college students with no idea about how the world works.


Thats definitely not accurate

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BobanMarjanovic
02/16/22 11:36:33 PM
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I'm socially conservative and fiscally centrist.

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Unsugarized_Foo
02/16/22 11:45:13 PM
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Im against gay marriage but I want higher taxes on everyone for UBI

My dog smokes weed but wants you to pay for your own health

Russell Bran wants to dismantle big tech and supports a traditional family system except when it's not your jam

Gordon Ramsdy wants you to only work for tips but will pay for your healthcare

Goofy only barters to survive but was okay when Max came out as Maxine

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