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Veggeta_MAX
02/15/22 7:56:08 PM
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Even if their belief is totally fucked up or completely stupid or just plain wrong?

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Squall28
02/15/22 8:06:53 PM
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Veggeta_MAX posted...
their belief is totally f***ed up or completely stupid or just plain wrong?

No

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TyVulpine
02/15/22 8:07:57 PM
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Depends what their beliefs are.

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FortuneCookie
02/15/22 8:08:34 PM
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Like the Confederate soldiers who fought to preserve slavery until they no longer had boots on their feet or food in their stomachs? I can't say that I do, no.
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ReignFury
02/15/22 8:13:59 PM
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Yes. Even if it's stupid/racist/crazy

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Will_VIIII
02/15/22 8:14:33 PM
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Not really.


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ScazarMeltex
02/15/22 8:15:54 PM
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No. Death for a horrid belief isn't worthy of respect

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Will_VIIII
02/15/22 8:17:41 PM
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It's also a waste of resources in the case of antivaxxers

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hockeybub89
02/15/22 8:23:17 PM
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TyVulpine posted...
Depends what their beliefs are.


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ReignFury
02/15/22 8:25:20 PM
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Will_VIIII posted...
It's also a waste of resources in the case of antivaxxers

Technically when antivaxxers are dead they're no longer wasting hospital resources

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PoundGarden
02/15/22 8:26:37 PM
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Lol fuck no. Specifically: the scores of dead who "weren't gonna take no JAB, muh rahts!"

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TheSavageDragon
02/15/22 8:26:38 PM
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In a way...yeah. I had this coworker about 10 years ago who was full on racist.
This dude didn't have any problems with telling POC his beliefs. In a way I respected him for it despite not agreeing with any of it.
I didn't respect his views on the subject and he didn't respect mine, but we both respected the honesty it took to publicy state them without giving a fuck about possible consequences
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Will_VIIII
02/15/22 8:37:09 PM
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ReignFury posted...
Technically when antivaxxers are dead they're no longer wasting hospital resources
The minute they walk into the hospital though.

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RedLuigi
02/15/22 8:38:37 PM
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Its admirable, yes

how wrong can you be? Idk but youre pretty great at being that

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AltyMcAltface
02/15/22 8:56:53 PM
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nope

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Solid Snake07
02/15/22 8:58:36 PM
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Not really, sounds like something an unbalanced person looking for a reason to die would say.

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BTH_Phoenix
02/16/22 1:53:17 PM
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Still better than people with no spine.

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SauI_Goodman
02/16/22 1:54:55 PM
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Like the guy who said "i'll kill myself if obama wins!!"

And people were like haha yeah right whatevs.

and then he did

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asdf8562
02/16/22 1:57:55 PM
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Veggeta_MAX posted...
Even if their belief is totally fucked up or completely stupid or just plain wrong?
No. Those type of people often involve other unwilling participants of dumbass beliefs.
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Master Kazuya
02/16/22 1:58:50 PM
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Yeah, I think just the aspect of caring about something staying alive beyond your own life is pretty badass

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Turbam
02/16/22 1:59:50 PM
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Only if their beliefs are the exact same as mine

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Machete
02/16/22 2:05:01 PM
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What turbam said

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Blightzkrieg
02/16/22 2:06:02 PM
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No.

I'm tired of this pretense that doing thing for a good reason is just as valid as doing thing for a bad reason.

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ReignFury
02/16/22 2:32:09 PM
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Will_VIIII posted...
The minute they walk into the hospital though.

Isnt that dying contrary to their beliefs? Relying on doctors to save them after spending years telling everyone that they cant be trusted.

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sondast
02/16/22 2:33:47 PM
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No. Like that dumbass in GoT that would rather burn to death than bend a knee. Kneeling to someone doesnt have to be final, but death is the ultimate final.

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COVxy
02/16/22 2:35:28 PM
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I think being inflexible with your ideals is usually a sign of a very privileged life.

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UnholyMudcrab
02/16/22 2:35:36 PM
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If someone wants to let themselves die rather than get a vaccine or wear a mask, I don't suppose I'm in any position to stop them.

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SauI_Goodman
02/16/22 4:34:17 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2012/1

1/florida-man-commits-suicide-over-

obama-win.html

Missing a lot of detail such as his claims online that he'd do it. With the comments saying he would welch.

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SauI_Goodman
02/16/22 4:34:36 PM
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You gotta connect the text

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ShutTheF---Up
02/16/22 4:36:00 PM
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Depends on the belief in question. If it's a worthwhile one, sure. If it's some dumb conspiracist shit or whatever, if anything that kind of dedication to it makes me think even less of them. I don't mind so much people who just talk shit about relatively-harmless conspiracies (things like "we didn't go to the moon" or whatever).

And to be very clear for the mods: No, I am not saying relatively-harmless conspiracies are true (whether that example, or otherwise); I am just saying they don't really bother me in the same way actually-harmful ones do as long as people don't take them too seriously.

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The_Korey
02/16/22 4:48:56 PM
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Will_VIIII posted...
It's also a waste of resources in the case of antivaxxers

But most antivax are not willing to die for it. Hence said wasted resources as they lay in a hospital bad tweeting "pray for me"

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Blbmbr666
02/16/22 4:50:30 PM
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I have a dream. That one day every person in this nation will control their own destiny. A nation of the truly free, dammit. A nation of action, not words, ruled by strength, not committee! Where the law changes to suit the individual, not the other way around. Where power and justice are back where they belong: in the hands of the people! Where every man is free to think - to act - for himself! Fuck all these limp-dick lawyers and chickenshit bureaucrats. Fuck this 24-hour Internet spew of trivia and celebrity bullshit! Fuck American pride! Fuck the media! FUCK ALL OF IT! America is diseased. Rotten to the core. There's no saving it - we need to pull it out by the roots. Wipe the slate clean. BURN IT DOWN! And from the ashes, a new America will be born. Evolved, but untamed! The weak will be purged and the strongest will thrive - free to live as they see fit, they'll make America great again!... In my new America, people will die and kill for what they BELIEVE! Not for money. not for oil! Not for what they're told is right. Every man will be free to fight his own wars!

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Gobstoppers12
02/16/22 4:51:54 PM
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Veggeta_MAX posted...
Even if their belief is totally fucked up or completely stupid or just plain wrong?
No. That guy who died because he shot himself up in some homemade rocket in order to see for himself that the earth is definitely flat literally killed himself for no reason.

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The_Korey
02/16/22 5:01:17 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
No. That guy who died because he shot himself up in some homemade rocket in order to see for himself that the earth is definitely flat literally killed himself for no reason.

Should it really kount as "dying for your belief" if you're neither intending nor expecting to die?

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Gobstoppers12
02/16/22 5:05:34 PM
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The_Korey posted...
Should it really kount as "dying for your belief" if you're neither intending nor expecting to die?
I don't think most people intend to die for their beliefs, but launching one's self in a homemade rocket to prove flat earth theory seems like it only has one possible ending.

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IShall_Run_Amok
02/16/22 5:05:44 PM
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TyVulpine posted...
Depends what their beliefs are.
This. I respect racists who are willing to die for their beliefs less than I respect those who are not, because the ones who aren't willing to die have made a slightly better choice.

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