Poll of the Day > Canadian truckers continue their fight against vaccine mandates.

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MartianManchild
02/14/22 8:09:31 PM
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https://news.yahoo.com/emergencies-act-justin-trudeau-protest-convoy-canada-212822243.html

About to get real interesting with Trudeau using emergency powers to declare the protest illegal. Real slippery slope against freedom and protesting the government with this move. Lets see if the truckers hold strong. #TruckerStrong
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VincentVega
02/14/22 8:22:18 PM
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#RamRanchTruckers

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Ogurisama
02/14/22 8:22:32 PM
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More weapons hmmm

https://mobile.twitter.com/cspotweet/status/1493381710448402433

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KodyKeir
02/14/22 8:42:32 PM
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It'll be interesting to see how many weapons they find when they finally arrest the hardcore stragglers that refuse to leave.

Also, a truck full of weapons was stolen over the weekend:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/peterborough-firearms-truck-theft-1.6351207

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adjl
02/14/22 9:25:22 PM
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MartianManchild posted...
Real slippery slope against freedom and protesting the government with this move.

Not really. It just sets the precedent that terrorism is not a legal form of protest. That's not slippery, that's perfectly reasonable.

Nobody's being stopped from protesting, they're just being stopped from disabling critical infrastructure while they do so. If every truck blocking the Ambassador Bridge had instead parked on the shoulder nearby, there'd be no need to disperse them.

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Krazy_Kirby
02/14/22 9:33:14 PM
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FQkGSOzu7TY

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ReturnOfFa
02/14/22 10:16:39 PM
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https://youtu.be/LD24TG33w2E

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ReturnOfFa
02/14/22 10:17:29 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/9/9/AAUdByAAC7VD.jpg

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Ozmose
02/15/22 12:06:53 AM
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So how many businesses have these truckers burnt down so far? Federal buildings? Police stations? Surely they've done some heinous destructive act to be labeled "terrorists".

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papercup
02/15/22 12:15:06 AM
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I like how you say that, completely ignoring the fact that all anyone can talk about is how theyre harassing local businesses and threatening people, and trying to burn down apartment buildings, and throwing their own shit at war memorials and peoples houses. Not to mention theyre disrupting the economies of two countries with this shit. But sure, not terrorists, okay. Whatever you say buddy.

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BlackScythe0
02/15/22 12:20:07 AM
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Ozmose posted...
So how many businesses have these truckers burnt down so far? Federal buildings? Police stations? Surely they've done some heinous destructive act to be labeled "terrorists".

This is a guy who only talks about economic damage when it is convenient to his shit argument.
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Ozmose
02/15/22 2:22:24 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
This is a guy who only talks about economic damage when it is convenient to his shit argument.
Wasn't making an argument, just pointing out the hypocrisy.

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Ozmose
02/15/22 2:23:30 AM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Sure, let's talk about it .

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Lil69Leo
02/15/22 4:45:58 AM
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Ozmose posted...
Wasn't making an argument, just pointing out the hypocrisy.

Like when BLM protests put over 10,000 automobile workers out of work and losing at minimum a weeks worth of pay in just one place?

Oh wait that was FluTruxClan
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kind9
02/15/22 4:51:47 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
This is a guy who only talks about economic damage when it is convenient to his shit argument.
Dude's defending anti-vaxx morons. That means he has no argument.

Why do these truckers still have jobs? Are they holding the trucks hostage or something? It can't be hard to replace truckers.

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kangolcone
02/15/22 7:27:06 AM
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Ozmose posted...
So how many businesses have these truckers burnt down so far? Federal buildings? Police stations? Surely they've done some heinous destructive act to be labeled "terrorists".

This is called What-About-ism. Its a Russian Propaganda technique designed to draw attention away from indefensible behavior. You have admitted having no defense for the truckerss actions by using this defense.

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adjl
02/15/22 10:04:23 AM
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Ozmose posted...
Surely they've done some heinous destructive act to be labeled "terrorists".

Are you really so naive as to believe that the only way you can cause damage with a terrorist attack is to physically destroy something?

Ozmose posted...
Wasn't making an argument, just pointing out the hypocrisy.

Which is textbook whataboutism.

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KodyKeir
02/15/22 10:26:01 AM
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GiveSendGo was hacked and is offline, the clownvoy donors have been doxxed.

Clownvoy organizers have set up their own funding site (with balckjack, and hookers?) with rules in place to attempt to skirt financial regulations

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/ottawa-protest-organizers-launch-new-fundraising-scheme-family-expense-support-1.5781746

Reminder: providing material support to terrorists families is no different then providing material support to terrorists. Donating to this cause could be considered a criminal offence (wire fraud) resulting in a prison term of no more then fourteen years, and that's just the domestic charges; if your from outside of Canada and have donated, you will also be liable for any local laws you may have broken as well.

(I am well aware of the psychology of telling people not to do things, so there is a layer of schadenfreude in this warning; you really, really should not donate to terrorists)

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KodyKeir
02/15/22 10:45:40 AM
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And most of the donors are American

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/convoy-protest-donations-data-1.6351292

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Revelation34
02/15/22 10:56:07 AM
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KodyKeir posted...
GiveSendGo was hacked and is offline, the clownvoy donors have been doxxed.

Clownvoy organizers have set up their own funding site (with balckjack, and hookers?) with rules in place to attempt to skirt financial regulations

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/ottawa-protest-organizers-launch-new-fundraising-scheme-family-expense-support-1.5781746

Reminder: providing material support to terrorists families is no different then providing material support to terrorists. Donating to this cause could be considered a criminal offence (wire fraud) resulting in a prison term of no more then fourteen years, and that's just the domestic charges; if your from outside of Canada and have donated, you will also be liable for any local laws you may have broken as well.

(I am well aware of the psychology of telling people not to do things, so there is a layer of schadenfreude in this warning; you really, really should not donate to terrorists)


It seems hypocritical to mention that's breaking the law but not mention the hacking and doxxing.

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adjl
02/15/22 10:59:36 AM
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Presumably, anyone competent enough to hack one of these fundraisers and doxx their donors already knows it's illegal to do so. The bar for competence is considerably lower for giving money to these terrorists (in fact, the bar for incompetence is quite high), so that assumption is considerably less safe when dealing with potential donors and a warning is reasonable.

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KodyKeir
02/15/22 11:05:02 AM
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adjl posted...
Presumably, anyone competent enough to hack one of these fundraisers and doxx their donors already knows it's illegal to do so. The bar for competence is considerably lower for giving money to these terrorists (in fact, the bar for incompetence is quite high), so that assumption is considerably less safe when dealing with potential donors and a warning is reasonable.


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Revelation34
02/15/22 11:06:02 AM
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Mentioning one is illegal but not the other means supporting the non mentioned illegal actions.

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adjl
02/15/22 11:07:34 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
Mentioning one is illegal but not the other means supporting the non mentioned illegal actions.

It seems hypocritical to mention that hacking and doxxing are illegal but not murder.

See how that doesn't work at all? It doesn't work at all. Nothing about this is meant to be a comprehensive list of things that are and are not illegal.

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BlackScythe0
02/15/22 11:09:12 AM
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Ozmose posted...
Wasn't making an argument, just pointing out the hypocrisy.

You're being a hypocrite, you're not pointing it out.
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KodyKeir
02/15/22 11:13:33 AM
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For the pedantic:

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/

It's

adjl posted...
a comprehensive list of things that are and are not illegal.


Now that's out of the way.

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Revelation34
02/15/22 11:16:00 AM
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adjl posted...


It seems hypocritical to mention that hacking and doxxing are illegal but not murder.

See how that doesn't work at all? It doesn't work at all. Nothing about this is meant to be a comprehensive list of things that are and are not illegal.


You're right. A related illegal action that was skipped to instead renounce a different illegal action is completely irrelevant.

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adjl
02/15/22 11:29:44 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
You're right. A related illegal action that was skipped to instead renounce a different illegal action is completely irrelevant.

Mostly, there was no context that might imply that murder wasn't illegal, so there was no need to indicate that it was. Similarly, there was no context that might imply that hacking wasn't illegal, so there was no need to indicate that it was. Conversely, "a fundraiser has been set up for protesters' families" might imply that such donations were legal, so indicating that it is also illegal to donate to the families of people to whom it is illegal to donate is useful information for people that might have believed otherwise (particularly where those supporting this debacle tend not to be the brightest fish in the shed).

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ReturnOfFa
02/15/22 3:11:35 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
It seems hypocritical to mention that's breaking the law but not mention the hacking and doxxing.
Frankly, I think all this does is expose how shitty security is for the average 'right-wing' supported internet platform. People need to be educated on understanding net security, and they're not going to get it from a website that is built as a right-wing reaction to somewhat-liberal social media and fundraising sites. This has happened time and time again.

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ReturnOfFa
02/15/22 3:12:01 PM
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It's still unfortunate people got doxxed. But seriously, if you don't want to get doxxed...don't give your information to shady companies.

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Ogurisama
02/15/22 3:15:13 PM
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/coutts-protest-charges-laid-court-appearance-bail-1.6352482

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MartianManchild
02/15/22 3:16:22 PM
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Calling the truckers terrorists, in my opinion, is rather ignorant. Whether or not you agree with them, they are protestors who feel like they are being discriminated against and want change. They are using what they have available to them to protest just like other protestors have in the past, and as long as they are non-violent, I think its in their every right to protest. Also if they are such a fringe minority then why does it matter if they are vaccinated? You dont need a 100% vaccination rate to reach herd immunity.
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LinkPizza
02/15/22 3:18:51 PM
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You dont need 100%, but you would probably want to get as close as possible. And especially truckers, who are going all over the place, and delivering tons of items (like food) to a bunch of places. I feel like they are one of the jobs that should absolutely require it

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ReturnOfFa
02/15/22 3:24:48 PM
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MartianManchild posted...
Calling the truckers terrorists, in my opinion, is rather ignorant. Whether or not you agree with them, they are protestors who feel like they are being discriminated against and want change. They are using what they have available to them to protest just like other protestors have in the past, and as long as they are non-violent, I think its in their every right to protest. Also if they are such a fringe minority then why does it matter if they are vaccinated? You dont need a 100% vaccination rate to reach herd immunity.
ok terrorist

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Metalsonic66
02/15/22 4:05:19 PM
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"They're not terrorists! They're just using the tools they have available; terrorism!"

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ReturnOfFa
02/15/22 4:54:25 PM
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When did BLM protestors go to schools and call kids slurs?

https://youtu.be/0ymmS0OSAyI

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KodyKeir
02/15/22 5:47:41 PM
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MartianManchild posted...
Calling the truckers terrorists, in my opinion, is rather ignorant.

Armed individuals demanding the overthrow of the government and causing billions in economic damages are not terrorists?

A rose by any other name, that joins a group of white nationalists in an armed occupation of the capital, is still a terrorist.

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ReturnOfFa
02/15/22 5:50:22 PM
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https://globalnews.ca/news/8598933/man-arrested-feces-throwing-toronto-protests/

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papercup
02/15/22 5:50:59 PM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
When did BLM protestors go to schools and call kids slurs?

https://youtu.be/0ymmS0OSAyI


No no, it's okay, because reasons and BLM exists.

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BlackScythe0
02/15/22 10:24:22 PM
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MartianManchild posted...
Calling the truckers terrorists, in my opinion, is rather ignorant. Whether or not you agree with them, they are protestors who feel like they are being discriminated against and want change. They are using what they have available to them to protest just like other protestors have in the past, and as long as they are non-violent, I think its in their every right to protest. Also if they are such a fringe minority then why does it matter if they are vaccinated? You dont need a 100% vaccination rate to reach herd immunity.

They are being called terrorists because they are holding a city hostage and threatening violence. But you knew that.
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adjl
02/15/22 10:35:32 PM
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MartianManchild posted...
Calling the truckers terrorists, in my opinion, is rather ignorant.

Once again, they're being called terrorists because they're committing terrorism, not because of what/why they're protesting. If they weren't committing mass violence (forcibly preventing people from sleeping is violent, whether direct contact is involved or not) and causing significant economic damage in an effort to force political change, they wouldn't be terrorists.

MartianManchild posted...
Also if they are such a fringe minority then why does it matter if they are vaccinated?

Because minimizing the risk of importing new infections is a crucial part of controlling the spread moving forward. We can't control other countries' case rates, but we can control who can bring cases back into Canada from those countries. Those at higher risk (the unvaccinated) must take additional precautions (testing/isolation) to offset that risk. Until recently, the economic disruption of requiring unvaccinated truckers to isolate was considered more damaging than the infection risk they posed, so they were granted a specific exemption from the rules that everyone else had to follow, but they've reached a high enough vaccination rate that having this fringe minority isolate upon returning (not that they can leave in the first place, given that the US won't let them in, so it's really a moot point) is no longer a major problem.

It only takes one inadequately-contained case to trigger an outbreak, especially as other precautions are lifted. If you want to avoid that, you need to keep on top of every possible new case.

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ReturnOfFa
02/16/22 12:38:39 AM
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https://www.facebook.com/jeff.paris2/videos/916094942414039

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Metalsonic66
02/16/22 12:42:28 AM
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Nice

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Ozmose
02/16/22 2:33:57 AM
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adjl posted...
Because minimizing the risk of importing new infections is a crucial part of controlling the spread moving forward. We can't control other countries' case rates, but we can control who can bring cases back into Canada from those countries. Those at higher risk (the unvaccinated) must take additional precautions (testing/isolation) to offset that risk. Until recently, the economic disruption of requiring unvaccinated truckers to isolate was considered more damaging than the infection risk they posed, so they were granted a specific exemption from the rules that everyone else had to follow, but they've reached a high enough vaccination rate that having this fringe minority isolate upon returning (not that they can leave in the first place, given that the US won't let them in, so it's really a moot point) is no longer a major problem.

It only takes one inadequately-contained case to trigger an outbreak, especially as other precautions are lifted. If you want to avoid that, you need to keep on top of every possible new case.
You do realize vaccination does nothing to prevent the spread of infection, right? It just reduces the severity of the illness in the vaccinated person. It has no significant impact on the general public. It does however affect the pharmaceutical companies pocketbook. Hence the billions they're pumping into media to make sure the hapless idiots follow orders, like the good little peasants they are.

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LinkPizza
02/16/22 3:10:59 AM
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Ozmose posted...
You do realize vaccination does nothing to prevent the spread of infection, right?

I keep hearing anti-vaxxers say that. But every time I look online, it says it does lower your risk of catching it...

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Metalsonic66
02/16/22 5:29:10 AM
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Ozmose posted...
You do realize vaccination does nothing to prevent the spread of infection, right?
It doesn't prevent the spread but it absolutely reduces the spread

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MagicalPrincess
02/16/22 6:05:06 AM
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LinkPizza posted...
You dont need 100%, but you would probably want to get as close as possible. And especially truckers, who are going all over the place, and delivering tons of items (like food) to a bunch of places. I feel like they are one of the jobs that should absolutely require it

Nope. Jesus doesn't want them to. Jesus is certainly not behind the shots. Not by a long shot.

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kind9
02/16/22 6:05:24 AM
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Ozmose posted...
You do realize vaccination does nothing to prevent the spread of infection, right?
Do you ever get tired of choosing to be this wrong?

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