Poll of the Day > I'm tired of this anti-vaxx BS!

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https://www.ibtimes.com/10857-fully-vaccinated-americans-have-died-covid-19-30000-hospitalized-3326930

KEY POINTS
People aged 65 and older made up 85% of all breakthrough COVID-19 deaths
Hospitalizations among the fully vaccinated increased by 79% over two weeks
Unvaccinated residents are still more likely to test positive or die of COVID-19

Do you actually read the links you post, or do you just google headlines that sound like they agree with you?

HornedLion said it prevents death.

Who said prevention has to be absolute?

Not that I'm seeing anywhere. Prevention efforts aim for absolute success, certainly, but failing doesn't mean you weren't trying to prevent it.

Like a bulletproof vest. You can take it off

Prevent is a synonym for stop.

at work they have a video on loop saying if you catch the virus, you only have temporary immunity. then it acts like the vaccine gives permanent immunity, and you can't catch the virus if you get the vaccine....

And trying to stop something does not guarantee success.

Only if you don't know what the word stop means.

Only if you don't know what the word stop means.

The definition of prevent is "to keep something from happening" that doesn't mean it has a 100% success rate. You know your argument is fucking bunk when you devolve into a semantics argument.

Do you know what "try" means?

Only if you don't know what the word stop means.

The vaccine works at preventing you from dying from the virus, which is better than any other alternative.

The vaccine works at preventing you from dying from the virus, which is better than any other alternative.

VideoboysaysCube posted... And here's the other side of the argument that everyone ignores...

Covid doesn't kill indiscriminately. Certain demographics are considerably more prone. The vaccine however is designed as a one-size-fits-all solution, which is never ideal when it comes to medical treatments. There are certain demographics that face higher risks with the vaccine than others. The odds are low, but there's still risk assessment.

Just consider last year these vaccines were supposed to prevent infection. Now they merely mitigate the side effects.

To make a simple point, illnesses derived from obesity is still the leading cause of death in this country. But there are zero measures in place to prevent obesity. Ask yourself why.

In my experience, testing positive for covid without any symptoms pre-vaccination, and almost going to the hospital twice because of the vaccine, the vaccine was worse.

Stop prolonging my life against my wishes. It's up to me if the alternative is better.

Basing any risk analyses on n=1, however, is generally a terrible idea. Unfortunately, humans overwhelmingly tend to bias their understanding of risks according to what they've personally experienced, so it can be really hard to convince people to believe in abstract statistical data over the tiny, non-representative sample they've observed. I try to be sympathetic to that, but it can get awfully difficult.

Because obesity isn't contagious, mostly. Not that "there are zero measures to prevent obesity" is a remotely factual statement. There are extensive anti-obesity measures being taken, including regulations on serving sizes (which have often been shot down by people that gobbled up industry propaganda like it was a 2-for-1 special on deep fried butter), pretty extensive health promotion campaigns, efforts to improve school lunches (remember when all the kids got mad at Michelle Obama because they wanted more cheeseburgers?), the mere existence of gym class... If you don't think anything's being done to combat the obesity epidemic, you haven't been paying attention.

VideoboysaysCube posted... What I mean by zero measures is that there's no laws preventing you from refilling your soda cup more than once. Regardless of what they serve at school lunches, you can still go home and stuff your face full of Twinkies. The point is these people ultimately still have a choice of how to live their lives, despite the amount of harm they're doing to themselves.

Also, obesity can be contagious in the sense that children of obese parents are incredibly likely to pick up their same habits.

Also, this is just speculation on my part, but if people in this country had better eating habits and actually used face masks consistently, we would never have suffered the amount of losses that we did. Take a country like Japan for example, where obesity is rare and everybody wears a mask. Their case to death ratio is .006%, whereas the U.S. is .01%.

So basically, this country has issues, and Covid is just exposing some of them. Trying to mandate this particularly vaccine isn't going to fix the underlying issue.

What it really does is set a dangerous precedent moving forward. You have people supporting the denial of medical treatment for unvaccinated patients. What if somewhere down the line your health insurance decides not to cover something that they believe you could have prevented?