Current Events > Howard Stern says hospitals should ban anti-vaxxers: 'Go home and die'

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While anti-vaxers are stupid as shit., it takes a special kind of evil person to tell somebody to go die.

LiqiudusSnake posted...

While anti-vaxers are stupid as shit., it takes a special kind of evil person to tell somebody to go die.

Again, you are condemning innocent people to death when you let the unvaccinated clog up the hospital

People keep saying "I don't want to let people die"

Sorry but people ate dying whether you like it or not. You have to choose do you save the unvaccinated or the vaccinated. I know what I would choose

greenmist01 posted...

I have noticed a few observations from the course of this thread

1) False Dichotomies or/and Fallacy of Composition's are being committed...........why are some posters in this thread making out that every single person who has not been vaccinated, is the raving lunatic kind who are conspiracy believers, deny that covid even exists, and are full on anti-vaxxers. People that are against vaccines, drugs and medicines in general. There's plenty of people out there who just chose not to be vaccinated, simply because they dont feel the drug is safe yet, but concede that covid exists, and respect other peoples choices.

2) Positions of the goalposts are now shifting. During the course of this thread, why have we gone from, having to argue against what Howard Stern said, which was "all those who didnt get vaccinated, should not be treated in hospital, they should just go home and die" to...... "so what about if all the ICU units in hospitals are too over populated with covid sufferers who didnt get vaccinated, but there's many who need to be treated who did?". That was not Howard Sterns stance was it?.

I think people are now posing hypothetical situations across that probably arnt even happening. I think hospitals bacilly work like this.............someone goes to hospital or gets taken to hospital because they need to be treated for something and they get treated for it. Thats the role of a hospital. I dont think there is a selection process at all. I dont think someone goes to hospital with covid, and some judge in the hospital goes "well you didnt get vaccinated, sorry we aint gonna treat you, this should be for those who got vaccinated". Someone else in this thread posed "well there is a selection process that goes on with organ transplants, there arnt enough organs to treat every person who needs a transplant. Obviously the process is, you give it to the person who essentially needs it the most. You give it to the person who wont live to see another 2 calendar months without it, over the person who can live without the transplant, but they just wont be as healthy without the transplant.

I dont think there is a selection process that goes like "Well patient A is a teetotaler, so he will look after the liver transplant better than patient B, who isnt a teetotaler". Or "well patient A is a non smoker, so he will look after his lung transplant better than patient B who is a smoker".

https://youtu.be/RPZtX9rDzGY

greenmist01 posted...

1) False Dichotomies or/and Fallacy of Composition's are being committed...........why are some posters in this thread making out that every single person who has not been vaccinated, is the raving lunatic kind who are conspiracy believers, deny that covid even exists, and are full on anti-vaxxers. People that are against vaccines, drugs and medicines in general. There's plenty of people out there who just chose not to be vaccinated, simply because they dont feel the drug is safe yet, but concede that covid exists, and respect other peoples choices.

Those plenty of people are still lunatics who are getting others killed

this isn't a "What's your favorite color?" opinion

Its black and white. Vaccines are effective, not being vaxxed because you're too stupid or lazy to look at the facts is no better than conspiracy shit.

As someone that hates homeless people, if we can use vaccination status as a justification to reduce the homeless population, i'm all for it!

Zikten posted...

Again, you are condemning innocent people to death when you let the unvaccinated clog up the hospital

People keep saying "I don't want to let people die"

Sorry but people ate dying whether you like it or not. You have to choose do you save the unvaccinated or the vaccinated. I know what I would choose

Just how many vaccinated people have died from covid, because no hospital would accept them?. Im not seeing any citation for these claims.

greenmist01 posted...

Just how many vaccinated people have died from covid, because no hospital would accept them?. Im not seeing any citation for these claims.

I'm not talking about them dying from covid. I mean from other things like heart attacks. They can't be seen because of all the covid people in the hospitals already

UnholyMudcrab posted...

And he still hasn't been dealt with.

Please tell me that your in favour of deplatforming without telling me your in favour of deplatforming

greenmist01 posted...

Just how many vaccinated people have died from covid, because no hospital would accept them?. Im not seeing any citation for these claims.

When a hospital is overflowing with unvaxxed dudes, all services suffer

Not just covid patients

greenmist01 posted...

Please tell me that your in favour of deplatforming without telling me your in favour of deplatforming

dEpLaTfOrMiNg!1!1!!111

UnfairRepresent posted...

When a hospital is overflowing with unvaxxed dudes, all services suffer

Not just covid patients

But why are unvaxxed people singled out here?.

Like i said in an earlier post, there are too many people out there filling up NHS hospital beds because they willfully choose to live an unhealthy lifestyle, like their heavy smokers, or they are morbidly obese from eating way too many calories a day and getting no exercise. But why dont we see thread after thread after thread in the politics board condemning these people aswell?. I guess its because being unvaccinated is less socially acceptable than those.

I think covid and the vaccinations coming along is setting up a new dangerous precedent that people like Howard Sterns and a handful of people from Gamefaq's politics board are supporting. Person A cannot be given hospital treatment for B, cause they didnt do C. Where does the line get drawn?. Should we refuse to treat prostitutes and sex workers for an STD because they chose that risky lifestyle?. I guarantee you, that none of those typical far leftie totalitarians in the politics board on here would ever be in favour of that one!!!!

The post above me is such a weird take, ngl.

greenmist01 posted...

But why are unvaxxed people singled out here?.

Because 10-40 minutes of their time would mean they would stop putting themselves and others in hospital's

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If you're vaxxed and you socially distanced and wore a mask and still got covid, thats very unfortunate and they tried their best and they shouldn't get punished in terms of medical treatment. the voluntarily unvaxxed still go last which is incredibly generous and more than they deserve

greenmist01 posted...

I think covid and the vaccinations coming along is setting up a new dangerous precedent that people like Howard Sterns and a handful of people from Gamefaq's politics board are supporting.

It really isn't. The only reason you think it is is because you're setting up a false equivalence.

For one thing, as many people pointed out in this thread already, obesity and skiing accidents are not contagious.

Philip027 posted...

For one thing, as many people pointed out in this thread already, obesity and skiing accidents are not contagious.

So what...........that does not grant a free pass to be like that just because covid is. Lets be honest, covid is not spanish flu or the plague. Like someone else said in this thread already........consider anti vaxxers as stupid morons, foolish imbeciles, but how does believing that an unvaxxed deserves the death penalty for their choice make you better person than them?.

greenmist01 posted...

that an unvaxxed deserves the death penalty

Who's saying this lol

Scorsese2002 posted...

https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/howard-stern-hospitals-ban-unvaccinated-people-1235157846/

Howard Stern said on the Jan. 19 episode of his Sirius XM radio show The Howard Stern Show that hospitals across the U.S. should not admit patients who are unvaccinated against COVID (via Uproxx). Stern has often used his radio show to speak out against anti-vaxxers, but he was more blunt than ever when he told listeners this week, If it was up to me, anyone unvaccinated would not be admitted to a hospital. At this point, they have been given plenty of opportunity to get the vaccine.

[People] have been told you will die if you get the vaccine. Some of you will live, but most of you will die. [These people] dont trust our government. They think that theres some conspiracy to turn them into a magnet or something like this, Stern said. They think they are going to become magnetized if they take the vaccine. Ive taken this vaccine three times, and the worst side effect is for a day, I had a little bit of a headache.

No ones sitting there conspiring against you, Stern continued, Americans dont want to create a vaccine thats going to turn you into a robot or magnetize you. Theres enough Americans now have taken it. Look at us as a sampling where nothing has happened to us. Its time for you to get it. Now, if you dont get it, in my America, all hospitals would be closed to you. Youre going to go home and die. That is what you should get. Absolutely.

Stern went viral last September after he called anti-vaxxers imbeciles and to go fuck yourself. The radio host said at the time, When are we gonna stop putting up with the idiots in this country and just say its mandatory to get vaccinated? Fuck em. Fuck their freedom. I want my freedom to live. I want to get out of the house already. I want to go next door and play chess. I want to go take some pictures.

Just last week, Stern slammed tennis player Novak Djokovic for being unvaccinated and called him a fucking asshole. The host added, They should throw him right the fuck out of tennis.

Based.

Fuck em

greenmist01 posted...

So what...........that does not grant a free pass to be like that just because covid is. Lets be honest, covid is not spanish flu or the plague. Like someone else said in this thread already........consider anti vaxxers as stupid morons, foolish imbeciles, but how does believing that an unvaxxed deserves the death penalty for their choice make you better person than them?.

Because I'm not out there contributing to a pandemic that's been going on two years now and making nearly all of our lives more inconvenient and dangerous in some way or another, and they are?

Boy, that was easy.

Doom_Art posted...

Who's saying this lol

Ermm, Howard Sterns?

If you are believing that critically ill covid suffers who chose not to be vaccinated should not be given hospital treatment, but instead should just remain at home and die as a result, what else should it be thought of as?.

Philip027 posted...

Because I'm not out there contributing to a pandemic that's been going on two years now and making nearly all of our lives more inconvenient and dangerous in some way or another, and they are?

Boy, that was easy.

I still dont see it as a rational stance under the circumstances.

Im gonna call a spade for a spade here. You demand that other people get vaccinated so you can feel more protected from a pathogen that has a 1% chance of killing you anyway. If you wanna consider that as selfish, fair enough, i wont gatekeep that. But to think that these people deserve the death penalty for not complying to that.......i just cant reconcile that.

joe40001 posted...

I am opposed to wishing death on people.

So you will call out anybody that wishes death on people?

Right, while the iron is hot, im gonna go on soap box here. Somebody else made this point here, and i think its a very good one.

Another thing i have noticed since the vaccinations have come along is, certain words are having their definitions changed lately, to suit this new worldly narrative. And one particular word that has is the word "coercion".

It is not coercion to tell people that if they do not choose to receive the covid vaccination, that they will be denied from flying, attending large public events (music gigs, sporting events), enter resturants or even keeping their job. Choices in life have consequences.

Whats really going on here is, is that stipulations are being put onto things, but they are being disguised as natural inherent consequences of a persons choice. Lets just for a second swim out of this muddied water and really analyze things (with this clever analogy).............

If i said to you "what jumper would you like to wear?, the red one or the blue one?" and you said "the blue one", but then i said to you "but if you dont choose the red one, you will be less warmer, as the red one is made of thicker material". That is an inherent consequence of your choice. But if however i said "if you dont choose the red one, i will punch you in the face 3 times", that is NOT an inherent consequence of your choice, that is just a stipulation i have put in place.

Saying to someone "if you do not choose to take the vaccination, you will be less protected from the virus", that is an inherent consequence of your choice. Saying "if you do not choose to take the vaccine, you cannot fly, you cannot attend large public events, you cannot apply for most jobs, you cannot visit any shops", that is a stipulation put in place and not an inherent consequence of your choice.

Red jumpers aren't contagious and dangerous to other people's health lol

greenmist01 posted...

I still dont see it as a rational stance under the circumstances.

Im gonna call a spade for a spade here. You demand that other people get vaccinated so you can feel more protected from a pathogen that has a 1% chance of killing you anyway. If you wanna consider that as selfish, fair enough, i wont gatekeep that. But to think that these people deserve the death penalty for not complying to that.......i just cant reconcile that.

Err... where are you getting that COVID has a 1% chance of killing you?

DrizztLink posted...

They can in the event of a public health emergency wherein resources are much scarcer and spread across far more patients.

idaho. italy. oregon

these states had to choose who lives/dies because of how overflowing the hospitals are right now.
not enough beds. too many patients.

Ruvan22 posted...

Err... where are you getting that COVID has a 1% chance of killing you?

Yeah, it varies quite a bit depending on the country/region but it's a fair bit higher than that

And even if it was at 1%, that would still make it a virus that kills several times more than the seasonal flu and can spread far more easily.

Covid is still the third leading cause of death in the US. Your right to be a petulant baby about the jab doesn't override my grandma's right to not be infected.

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid19-and-other-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-us/

And I'm missing like half the posts on this page lol. Probably a bunch of antivaxxers I've already spanked on this subject.

Rexdragon125 posted...

And I'm missing like half the posts on this page lol. Probably a bunch of antivaxxers I've already spanked on this subject.

Just one, actually.

He blocked me too

Doom_Art posted...

Red jumpers aren't contagious and dangerous to other people's health lol

Imagine walking by someone with a red jumper, they cough and all of a sudden your shirt turns into a red jumper as well.

greenmist01 posted...

Im gonna call a spade for a spade here. You demand that other people get vaccinated so you can feel more protected from a pathogen that has a 1% chance of killing you anyway.

Haha, no, I'm jabbed. Nice assumption there.

But I'm still having to deal with things like business closings, travel restrictions, curfews, and other fun stuff that don't care if you're vaccinated or not. I also have medical conditions, and there's a real fear of mine that if I end up needing hospitalization for any of it, I'm going to be put on a backburner because of covidiots flooding the place.

It's been two years of all this, and I'm tired of it. I'm especially tired of being expected to care about people that clearly don't care about anyone else.

Also, just so we're clear, thinking people who decide to forego professional medical advice of getting the vaccine should have to live with their choice instead of clogging up the healthcare system =/= thinking they should get the "death penalty", as you keep putting it. This is not a death penalty; nobody's executing these people. They're dying of their own poor choices.

evilpresident posted...

Imagine walking by someone with a red jumper, they cough and all of a sudden your shirt turns into a red jumper as well.

tbh I wouldn't mind that actually

red clothes really make my eyes pop

greenmist01 posted...

Right, while the iron is hot, im gonna go on soap box here. Somebody else made this point here, and i think its a very good one.

Another thing i have noticed since the vaccinations have come along is, certain words are having their definitions changed lately, to suit this new worldly narrative. And one particular word that has is the word "coercion".

It is not coercion to tell people that if they do not choose to receive the covid vaccination, that they will be denied from flying, attending large public events (music gigs, sporting events), enter resturants or even keeping their job. Choices in life have consequences.

Whats really going on here is, is that stipulations are being put onto things, but they are being disguised as natural inherent consequences of a persons choice. Lets just for a second swim out of this muddied water and really analyze things (with this clever analogy).............

If i said to you "what jumper would you like to wear?, the red one or the blue one?" and you said "the blue one", but then i said to you "but if you dont choose the red one, you will be less warmer, as the red one is made of thicker material". That is an inherent consequence of your choice. But if however i said "if you dont choose the red one, i will punch you in the face 3 times", that is NOT an inherent consequence of your choice, that is just a stipulation i have put in place.

Saying to someone "if you do not choose to take the vaccination, you will be less protected from the virus", that is an inherent consequence of your choice. Saying "if you do not choose to take the vaccine, you cannot fly, you cannot attend large public events, you cannot apply for most jobs, you cannot visit any shops", that is a stipulation put in place and not an inherent consequence of your choice.

I'm going to take your post with the exact amount of seriousness it deserves. None. Shut the fuck up. By the end of this surge there will be 900,000 people dead. There is a price to participate in society and to receive the protections it provides. All of civilization has fucking stipulations and coercion. If you aren't willing to live up to your end of the societal contract, then said contract doesn't cover you. Get sick and die, you have that right. What you don't have is the right to be a plague bearer and spread that shit around or take up the resources that should to those willing to abide the societal contract.

Philip027 posted...

Also, just so we're clear, thinking people who decide to forego professional medical advice of getting the vaccine should have to live with their choice instead of clogging up the healthcare system =/= thinking they should get the "death penalty", as you keep putting it. This is not a death penalty; nobody's executing these people. They're dying of their own poor choices.

Hmmmm thats like saying that if i took a walk in the countryside, and while i was doing that, i saw you trying to climb over a fence, but as you did, you slipped and you landed on a spike that went right into your torso, and made you critically bleed, but i had a phone on me, but instead of calling you an ambulance to help you, i just ignored you and carried on walking by, that i had nothing to do with your death if you bleed and die?, ok.

I don't often criticize the mods for not doing their jobs, but this greenmist still having an active account after kicking off their string of bullshit with flagrant Covid misinformation is not an okay situation.

masterpug53 posted...

I don't often criticize the mods for not doing their jobs, but this greenmist still having an active account after kicking off their string of bullshit with flagrant Covid misinformation is not an okay situation.

Yeah it's fucking ridiculous because this is why the pandemic is still going strong.

greenmist01 posted...

Hmmmm thats like saying that if i took a walk in the countryside, and while i was doing that, i saw you trying to climb over a fence, but as you did, you slipped and you landed on a spike that went right into your torso, and made you critically bleed, but i had a phone on me, but instead of calling you an ambulance to help you, i just ignored you and carried on walking by, that i had nothing to do with your death if you bleed and die?

i mean it's nothing like that at all what

I mean all I have to say at this point is that you can try to reason with these morons who say that unvaxxed people deserve the lion's share of treatment in opposition to a known shock jock - just one who isn't a senseless Trumper maniac at every fucking turn - but you're not going to get through to them.

Ultimately you have one shock jock saying "get vaccinated and stop clogging up the hospitals for the people who can't choose the severity of their illness", and despite him otherwise being an opportunistic pig, that's certainly a take I can get behind. These stupid motherfuckers rallied behind some fuckfaces who told them the vaccine magnetises their blood by sticking spoons to their skin. We've seen dumb fucks burning down 5G towers because they thought 5th generation wireless internet was spreading the virus. And you can go "that's in bad faith and poor taste, no-one was legitimately stupid enough to think that wireless internet was a vector of disease", but conspiracy theorists don't get the benefit of the doubt - especially after the fact that people went out and began demolishing 5G towers as a supposed strike against COVID. Those dickheads fucking exist in the world we live in. That happened.

Guess what, because myself and others got the vaccine and associated boosters, we have less of a chance of dying of COVID. It's not a guarantee, which I'd very much like it to be, but it's less of a chance of having my lungs fill with mucus until I suffocate. The virus still puts me at more risk of heart attack, stroke and brain bleed, but compared to an unvaxxed person, I have less of a chance of COVID-induced heart attack, stroke or brain bleed. If you want to believe the vaccine turns you into a magnet, and you want to die in agony and deny a pregnant person or a heart attack victim the medical care they need because you were too much of a dumb fuck to protect yourself? Fuck you, and any "freedom" you spend time shilling about is selfish and pointless. Go and join a commune for dumb fucks who don't want to be turned into magnets. Don't fucking gum up the medical system for people who want/need to participate in society.

"ohhhh hand-wring hand-wring Howard Stern said I should die!" - no, he said if you're enough of a dumb fuck to refuse treatment and clog up hospitals for people who need it through your own selfishness and arrogance, you might as well die. We all know it's for selfish and stupid reasons. We know it's because these dumb fucks think it'll turn them into a magnet. We've seen the videos where people paint this awful kidnap fantasy where their children are abducted because abductors hid their abductions using COVID masks. We've seen people burning down 5G towers. Even a dumbass fucking shock jock knows when to say when enough's enough - Howard Stern isn't a fucking leftist hero or whatever the fuck these deluded morons seem to think, he's an opinionated dickhead who says provocative shit because it's funny and he thinks it cuts to the heart of the matter whether he's right or wrong.

You want prime healthcare without getting a tube shoved down your throat and going brain-dead? Get vaccinated, motherfucker. And shut the fuck up about other people not respecting you or your choices, because if you're going to fall for 4th grade-level magic tricks that convince you a vaccine is going to turn you into a magnet, you should barely fucking be trusted to choose what you have for lunch. People have heart attacks, people have babies - they're not selfish for requiring urgent care. You, as an individual who could have mitigated the harm of a PANDEMIC-LEVEL VIRUS WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH FOR TWO ENTIRE-ASS YEARS, are selfish for refusing to protect yourself. Fuck what you think, fuck what you think are your rights but are really power moves to make people bend to your idiocy. Howard Stern is right in this scenario. If you won't saveguard yourself against a virus that can and will kill you - stop fucking things up for the rest of us, you selfish fuckface.

Lol mallard

yemmy posted...

Lol mallard

I mean whether anyone reads that abomination of a post is irrelevant. I feel better for having ranted, and it'll be washed away in a couple day's time. CE's good for that, it's like a dumping ground.

greenmist01 posted...

Where does the line get drawn?

Not where. By whom: Triage assessment specialists. Here's what they're thinking about.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/watchdog/2021/08/19/if-north-texas-runs-out-of-icu-hospital-beds-doctors-can-consider-a-patients-vaccination-status/

1. COVID-19 vaccination decreases severe infection and death. Vaccine status therefore may be considered when making triage decisions as part of the physicians assessment of each individuals likelihood of survival.
2. When vaccination status is considered, accommodations may be needed when the reason for non-vaccination is beyond the patients control such as but not limited to caretaker refusal to have a disabled dependent vaccinated, recent COVID-19 infection, or medical contraindication.
3. Many are understandably angry and frustrated with the unvaccinated, but triage must remain grounded upon likelihood of survival. Health care professionals should continue to honor duties of care and compassion.
Fine concludes, I encourage the medical professionals on the task force to share these ideas within their respective organization ethics committees, triage committees and/or any physicians who might be involved in triage decisions.

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I think hospitals bacilly work like this.............someone goes to hospital or gets taken to hospital because they need to be treated for something and they get treated for it. Thats the role of a hospital. I dont think there is a selection process at all.

You think this because you are uninformed as to how hospitals operate when they are at capacity.

Tucker Carlson came for Howard over this. Monday is gonna be fun!!!!

https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-howard-stern-coward-covid-coronavirus-1671495?amp=1

Greenmist continues with the room temperature IQ takes huh