Poll of the Day > Ronald McDonald House EVICTS Family of 4 y/o with CANCER cause they're UNVAXXED

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BigRhinoX posted...

If the vaccine is preventing people from catching and spreading it. How come the vaccinated are still catching it at crazy rates?

adjl posted...

the vaccine-avoidant strain that's running rampant right now (which is overwhelmingly the primary culprit for breakthrough cases)

Please try to keep up.

BigRhinoX posted...

Why check constantly for something you dont have symptoms of?

Because asymptomatic transmission has been a major problem with Covid since day 1. If case numbers are low enough that individual exposures can be readily identified, it's generally only going to be worthwhile to test if you've been exposed or if you have symptoms, but when case numbers are too high for that (as they currently are in every province), regular asymptomatic testing is extremely valuable for catching cases early and limiting the number of other people they infect.

BigRhinoX posted...

If you look at the numbers in Canada in youd see that a vast, VAST majority of the deaths are people over 80 (the life expectancy)

61% is not a "vast majority." Even then, Canada has generally done a pretty good job of keeping Covid under control, including excellent vaccine uptake. That has improved overall outcomes because hospitals have been more able to treat those that are able to recover from serious cases, which in turn means that most of the deaths are going to happen among those that are too vulnerable to recover. By contrast, 52% of US deaths have been among the 75+ crowd.

Of course, that's without even considering how dumb it is to look at Covid only in terms of deaths. ICU cases are extremely debilitating (my coworker's friend had to learn how to walk again), non-ICU hospitalizations aren't exactly great either, and long Covid has put quite a few young people on disability indefinitely. To say nothing of concerns about infecting older people, since most of us that aren't serial killers don't like killing people just because they're old.

Is Covid an instant death sentence for everyone that looks at it? Of course not. Is it nevertheless a serious enough issue that taking precautions against it is a good idea? Absolutely. It's just a vaccination, dude. No need to be so afraid of it.

BigRhinoX posted...

Im going to assume in your 20s or younger

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7690-how-old-are-you

Given the trends in the age of this site's userbase, that's not a very sensible assumption. That poll is 2.5 years old, but given how its results have been shifting over the years, I expect the mean has pretty much just gone up by 2-2.5 years since then. By and large, the only people still using GameFAQs are the people that have been doing so for well over a decade.

Revelation34 posted...

Never happened.

He's presenting a hypothetical situation that he thinks is analogous. It's... really not, and he worded it extremely poorly such that it took me a moment to realize that's what he was doing, but he's not actually claiming that it happened.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1228632/number-covid-deaths-canada-by-age/

Like I said, Im not telling you that you cant be scared. You can wait for the tv to tell you youre safe again.

BigRhinoX posted...

Like I said, Im not telling you that you cant be scared. You can wait for the tv to tell you youre safe again.

Not everyone is scared. Its about being safe, and being able to keep others safe. And continuing to make money in the case of work.

Though, the same could be said to you. You can be scared of the vaccine thats going to help, but theres no reason to be scared of it

Yes, that is the source of that 61% figure I cited. It doesn't become a vaster majority just because you also googled it; everything I said incorporated that data.

As soon as I read Vancouver I knew everything I needed to know and stopped reading.

BigRhinoX posted...

If the vaxx doesnt stop people from catching or spreading, why is it so important that everyone get it? A majority of the covid cases in Canada are in vaccinated.

Because they say so.

Israel is going in its fifth shot in less than a year and people dont see that as a little dangerous.

Also Id like to know how you got away with a conversation not-in-favour of the vaccines for so long without getting shut down.

LinkPizza posted...

Its free

No it isnt.

BigRhinoX posted...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1228632/number-covid-deaths-canada-by-age/

Like I said, Im not telling you that you cant be scared. You can wait for the tv to tell you youre safe again.

I'm not scared at all. Getting the vaccine is common sense and part of life. Vaccines are the primary reason life expectancy went from 30 to 80 in the last 150 years after not changing much at all for thousands of years. Why are you scared of a simple shot? You've probably already gotten a bunch that people have much worse reactions to than the COVID ones.

zebatov posted...

No it isnt.

You has to pay? In Canada? Im in the US and didnt have to pay

Your country pays. Your taxes pay. You pay. Do you believe that Pfizer is doing this out of the goodness of their hearts? Do you not realize theyve made more this year than any year before? They have more power than ever before. They have the largest criminal fine in American history for pushing drugs off brand.

To the person talking about vaccines rising the life expectancy, were those MRNA vaxxs? Did they have to change the definition of vaccine for any of the others? Were the inventors of the technology warning people of the dangers? Did they say the other vaccines were just 2 dose shots that slowly turned into the CEO CALLING THE FIRST 2 SHOTS INEFFECTIVE and saying they you just need more of it - the same dose, same recipe?

LinkPizza posted...

You has to pay? In Canada? Im in the US and didnt have to pay

You know the government isnt supposed to be your parents, dont you? They arent giving you a free dose of cough medicine to keep their sweet little baby safe. Theyre making money off you. And youre making it way too easy.

JJH777 posted...

I'm not scared at all. Getting the vaccine is common sense and part of life. Vaccines are the primary reason life expectancy went from 30 to 80 in the last 150 years after not changing much at all for thousands of years. Why are you scared of a simple shot? You've probably already gotten a bunch that people have much worse reactions to than the COVID ones.

Why are people scared of a government shot for your safety that, if any scientist or doctor that disagrees with the given narrative loses their job? No reason. Sounds totally on board. Politicians are superheroes with the hearts and souls of every day strangers in mind. Theyd never be into something for money, power or security for themselves or their families.

I forgot that when covid hit, all governments and politicians and elites (as they now call themselves) changed their stripes.

BigRhinoX posted...

You know the government isnt supposed to be your parents, dont you? They arent giving you a free dose of cough medicine to keep their sweet little baby safe. Theyre making money off you. And youre making it way too easy.

The government owns Pfizer?

BigRhinoX posted...

Your country pays. Your taxes pay. You pay. Do you believe that Pfizer is doing this out of the goodness of their hearts? Do you not realize theyve made more this year than any year before?

BigRhinoX posted...

You know the government isnt supposed to be your parents, dont you? They arent giving you a free dose of cough medicine to keep their sweet little baby safe. Theyre making money off you. And youre making it way too easy.

Maybe I should make myself clear. Im talking about literally lying out of pocket. My taxes pay for lots of things, but Im not talking about taxes. Im talking about I walk into place, get the shot, and never have to use my own money out of my wallet or bank account Didnt realize I would need to explain that But I guess I do

BigRhinoX posted...

Why are people scared of a government shot for your safety that, if any scientist or doctor that disagrees with the given narrative loses their job? No reason. Sounds totally on board. Politicians are superheroes with the hearts and souls of every day strangers in mind. Theyd never be into something for money, power or security for themselves or their families.

I forgot that when covid hit, all governments and politicians and elites (as they now call themselves) changed their stripes.

Over 90% of US doctors are vaccinated according to the American Medical Association which is not government controlled or operated. The vocal minority you are talking about is not worth listening to.

The data is clear that vaccines are highly effective and the conspiracy that would be required for CDC data to be fake is completely impossible. It would have to involve tens of thousands of people who are all agreeing to keep their mouths shut and provide fake data. The data is also reinforced by local agencies reporting similar numbers. I live in a county that voted for Trump by 67% and never followed COVID precautions and our hospitals still say that the unvaccinated make up the vast majority of COVID patients over 85%.

LinkPizza posted...

You has to pay? In Canada? Im in the US and didnt have to pay

Depends where you are in Canada. Around here (NS), PCR and rapid tests are both free, though they've recently started limiting how many rapid tests people can take due to supply concerns (there are still plenty for everyone to test twice a week). In Ontario, a pack of 5 rapid tests is $40, which is more of a problem.

BigRhinoX posted...

Your country pays. Your taxes pay. You pay.

But they've already paid, so you might as well take advantage of it. No, fighting the greatest public health crisis in a century is not free. There will be a need for tax increases in the years to come to offset the deficit this whole mess has incurred. That's just the nature of the beast. Actively resisting efforts to bring it under control under the pretense of saving money, however, makes absolutely no sense. That just prolongs it and makes it even more expensive, especially when you have to start looking at expanding hospital capacities to handle the consequences of letting Covid spread unrestrained.

BigRhinoX posted...

To the person talking about vaccines rising the life expectancy, were those MRNA vaxxs?

Why are you so insistent that mRNA vaccines are not vaccines, or otherwise should not be counted?

BigRhinoX posted...

Did they say the other vaccines were just 2 dose shots that slowly turned into the CEO CALLING THE FIRST 2 SHOTS INEFFECTIVE and saying they you just need more of it - the same dose, same recipe?

Once again, the disease has changed significantly since the vaccines were first developed. Alpha didn't even exist then, let alone Delta or Omicron. Of course the existing vaccines are going to be of limited use in battling a variant that has specifically evolved to dodge existing immunity. They remain, however, our best option for reducing infection rates (as little as they do against Omicron) and for reducing the severity of infections (which they still do, even for Omicron), and it remains a fact that booster doses help with that. Once again, Omicron is not the only variant still floating around, as much as it is dominating now, and vaccines will continue to help against Delta once Omicron burns itself out (giving virtually no useful immunity against Delta in the process, given the variation in antigens).

Needing boosters to maintain immunity is not unusual. This is more frequent than usual, certainly, but there's also never been a vaccine against a coronavirus before. Some challenges are to be expected. Needing periodic boosters to keep that immunity up does not challenge the legitimacy of the vaccines any more than needing to eat repeatedly challenges that legitimacy of food.

BigRhinoX posted...

Why are people scared of a government shot for your safety that, if any scientist or doctor that disagrees with the given narrative loses their job?

Should a doctor that promotes treating meningitis with garlic and horseradish instead of antibiotics keep their job? Medical professionals that actively endanger the public generally don't remain medical professionals for very long. That's less to do with "disagreeing with the narrative" and more to do with "promoting bad science in a way that will kill people."

Not to mention so many people like you are fond of complaining about dissenting voices being silenced, but they never seem to share any actual examples of it happening on a significant scale. I wonder why that might be...

Revelation34 posted...

The government owns Pfizer?

Its seeming like the other way around. But Pfizer isnt supposed to be your parents either, and theyre definitely not giving away free doses. Theyve made more this year than ever before.

This is what happens when you think you're on a high horse but it's actually a stoned horse

I wonder how many politicians bought stock in these corporations before the they implemented the lockdowns, and vaxpass.