Current Events > So at the end of LotR Return of the King (Spoilers)

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Say Gollum wasn't there

And Frodo was like "FUCK YOU SAM THE RING IS MINE"

Would Sam have the gumption to spartan kick Frodo into the lava?

Touch posted...

Say Gollum wasn't there

And Frodo was like "FUCK YOU SAM THE RING IS MINE"

Would Sam have the gumption to spartan kick Frodo into the lava?

no.

his love for Frodo would have destroyed the world.

TerrifyingRei posted...

no.

his love for Frodo would have destroyed the world.

True

The elf restored frodo ring back?

Hes nothing wothout the ring

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ROBANN_88 posted...

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Sam hits the invisible Frodo with an Izuna Drop into the caldera of Mt Doom

The point of the one ring was that it could never be destroyed intentionally. Every mortal would eventually succumb to its will. The only way to destroy it would be through an accident, such as when Gollum bites frodos finger off and accidentally falls into the lava with the ring.

So no, Sam wouldve either also succumbed to the ring, or his love for Frodo would have prevented him from doing anything.

AdrianBeterson posted...

The point of the one ring was that it could never be destroyed intentionally. Every mortal would eventually succumb to its will. The only way to destroy it would be through an accident, such as when Gollum bites frodos finger off and accidentally falls into the lava with the ring.

So no, Sam wouldve either also succumbed to the ring, or his love for Frodo would have prevented him from doing anything.

Sam did have full immunity to the ring similar to Tom Bomabidill and vegy should they ever put the ring.

DB_Insider posted...

Sam did have full immunity to the ring similar to Tom Bomabidill and vegy should they ever put the ring.

No he didnt. Proof is that Sam also eventually left middle earth and traveled west later on because the short time he held the ring was enough to cause him damage as well.

AdrianBeterson posted...

No he didnt. Proof is that Sam also eventually left middle earth and traveled west later on because the short time he held the ring was enough to cause him damage as well.

Ho was being modest. The damaged could be when he ate too many taters.

No. This was the ultimate role Gollum played in the salvation of Middle-Earth as foreshadowed by Gandalf; not even pure-hearted Frodo could bring himself to destroy the Ring willingly, so it took Gollum's uncontrollable mania over having finally reclaimed the Ring for him to accidentally destroy both it and himself (which was one of the minor changes over the source material that I didn't really care for in the movies: I wish Gollum had just slipped and fallen on his own accord instead of fighting with Frodo).

masterpug53 posted...

No. This was the ultimate role Gollum played in the salvation of Middle-Earth as foreshadowed by Gandalf; not even pure-hearted Frodo could bring himself to destroy the Ring willingly, so it took Gollum's uncontrollable mania over having finally reclaimed the Ring for him to accidentally destroy both it and himself (which was one of the minor changes over the source material that I didn't really care for in the movies: I wish Gollum had just slipped and fallen on his own accord instead of fighting with Frodo).

He's not pure hearted. He lied about his name!

Sam was completely loyal to Frodo.. no chance he could go through with it doing something to hurt Frodo.

What if Frodo threw the ring down towards the lava but it accidentally landed on a rock? lol

DB_Insider posted...

He's not pure hearted. He lied about his name!

That's just the Ring's corruption starting to manifest. Had that been taken out of the equation he'd have bounded around the Prancing Pony with a pint in each hand loudly proclaiming himself to be Frodo F. Baggins.

masterpug53 posted...

That's just the Ring's corruption starting to manifest. Had that been taken out of the equation he'd have bounded around the Prancing Pony with a pint in each hand loudly proclaiming himself to be Frodo F. Baggins.

Should have given the ring to Took

If Elrond wouldnt push Isildur in, I doubt Sam would do it to his best friend

ROBANN_88 posted...

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10/10

Seaman_Prime posted...

If Elrond wouldnt push Isildur in, I doubt Sam would do it to his best friend

CAST IT INTO DA FAIYAHHH!

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But Maybe Sam could have seen that wasnt his friend anymore; and being loyal as he is; kill the being that took his best friend from him.

Lokison posted...

But Maybe Sam could have seen that wasnt his friend anymore; and being loyal as he is; kill the being that took his best friend from him.

Remember what Gandalf said!

Okay what if Sam was like "No Frodo"

And Frodo was like "I FUCKED ROSIE COTTON"

DB_Insider posted...

CAST IT INTO DA FAIYAHHH!

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Seaman_Prime posted...

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ISILDURRRR!!!

Sam was probably more resistant to the effects of the ring than anyone.

masterpug53 posted...

No. This was the ultimate role Gollum played in the salvation of Middle-Earth as foreshadowed by Gandalf; not even pure-hearted Frodo could bring himself to destroy the Ring willingly, so it took Gollum's uncontrollable mania over having finally reclaimed the Ring for him to accidentally destroy both it and himself (which was one of the minor changes over the source material that I didn't really care for in the movies: I wish Gollum had just slipped and fallen on his own accord instead of fighting with Frodo).

In the books he just slips and falls by happenstance?

masterpug53 posted...

No. This was the ultimate role Gollum played in the salvation of Middle-Earth as foreshadowed by Gandalf; not even pure-hearted Frodo could bring himself to destroy the Ring willingly, so it took Gollum's uncontrollable mania over having finally reclaimed the Ring for him to accidentally destroy both it and himself (which was one of the minor changes over the source material that I didn't really care for in the movies: I wish Gollum had just slipped and fallen on his own accord instead of fighting with Frodo).

It was due to Gollum's scuffle that the ring fell into the lava. If not for Gollum, Frodo would have walked the ring straight into Sauron's hand.

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Yeah he just loses his balance and falls in. I do prefer how it was done in the books, but the way the movie portrayed it works for the movie.

Also in one of Tolkien's letters he does say that Gollum fell in because Eru (aka God) intervened. But I don't think it's clear if that means Eru literally just caused Gollum to fall in the moment or that the whole sequence of the Ring's destruction was always planned to play out like that.

So the ring was basically Sauron's horcrux, right?

saspa posted...

In the books he just slips and falls by happenstance?

The fires below awoke in anger, the red light blazed, and all the cavern was filled with a great glare and heat. Suddenly Sam saw Gollum's long hands draw upwards to his mouth; his white fangs gleamed, and then snapped as they bit. Frodo gave a cry, and there he was, fallen upon his knees at the chasm's edge. But Gollum, dancing like a mad thing, held aloft the ring, a finger still thrust within its circle. It shone now as if verily it was wrought of living fire.

'Precious, precious, precious!' Gollum cried. 'My Precious! O my Precious!' And with that, even as his eyes were lifted up to gloat on his prize, he stepped too far, toppled, wavered for a moment on the brink, and then with a shriek he fell. Out of the depths came his last wail Precious, and he was gone.

In either version the moral remains the same: the greed and mania with which the Ring corrupted its bearers ultimately turned out to be its undoing. I just slightly prefer the version where it's Gollum alone who ultimately - if inadvertently - destroys it. But it's one of those cases where the cliffhanger of Frodo literally hanging off a cliff while the Ring took its time melting made for more dramatic storytelling.

Also, while it's not really relevant to the topic at hand, I thought I'd share my favorite bit of prose from the trilogy which happens a few paragraphs earlier (since it was such a pain to google the actual book excerpt rather than a dozen critical analyses / cliffnotes of said excerpt, thought I'd make it worth my while). This is the from the moment when Frodo puts on the Ring at Mount Doom, and Sauron suddenly realizes just how fucked he is; you couldn't really adapt something like this into the movie, though it's alluded to when Sauron's eye gets that 'oh shit!' look and instantly turns his gaze to the doors at Mount Doom.

And far away, as Frodo put on the Ring and claimed it for his own, even in Sammath Naur the very heart of his realm, the Power in Barad-dr was shaken, and the Tower trembled from its foundations to its proud and bitter crown. The Dark Lord was suddenly aware of him, and his Eye piercing all shadows looked across the plain to the door that he had made; and the magnitude of his own folly was revealed to him in a blinding flash, and all the devices of his enemies were at last laid bare. Then his wrath blazed in consuming flame, but his fear rose like a vast black smoke to choke him. For he knew his deadly peril and the thread upon which his doom now hung.

From all his policies and webs of fear and treachery, from all his stratagems and wars his mind shook free; and throughout his realm a tremor ran, his slaves quailed, and his armies halted, and his captains suddenly steerless, bereft of will, wavered and despaired. For they were forgotten. The whole mind and purpose of the Power that wielded them was now bent with overwhelming force upon the Mountain. At his summons, wheeling with a rending cry, in a last desperate race there flew, faster than the winds, the Nazgl the Ringwraiths, and with a storm of wings they hurtled southwards to Mount Doom.

Touch posted...

Say Gollum wasn't there

And Frodo was like "FUCK YOU SAM THE RING IS MINE"

Would Sam have the gumption to spartan kick Frodo into the lava?

No, I think Sam would just leave his friend and Frodo would get killed some other way, like not make it out of the mountain while he rages or something.

jumi posted...

So the ring was basically Sauron's horcrux, right?

Sauron must have read it in restricted section

Maybe he tackles Frodo in and they die together. They die together as husband and husband