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E_S_M_Z
01/07/22 1:58:36 PM
#101:


BalloonBattle05 posted...
https://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20180125/smoke-1-cigarette-a-day-it-can-still-kill-you

https://www.livescience.com/32886-one-cigarette-cant-hurt-think-again-.html

Which is why people say that anyone who has never smoked before should never start

maybe it shouldnt harm you terribly but its easy enough to get hooked

I've smoked before back in college and didn't find it appealing.
That slice of cake, though...still eating cake to this day...

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E_S_M_Z
01/07/22 2:00:07 PM
#102:


BalloonBattle05 posted...
im saying that while you can make the argument for obese people being disqualified, I just dont see any reason to remove it when they often want to change themselves and not abuse the system

im not against giving smokers and drug addicts free healthcare either, but it seems like they are taking it for granted more and will refuse to change themselves

This seems kind of...bizarre. You say obese people generally don't want to be obese, but the rates keep rising and most obese people don't become normal weight. If your issue is that they want to change and are unable to due to excessive compulsions, social issues etc...uh, why is that different from drug addiction...?

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Error1355
01/07/22 2:04:35 PM
#103:


E_S_M_Z posted...
Great idea.

Also, if you have a second slice of cake at a wedding, you should also be disqualified from free healthcare. Disqualified! Drain on the system!

And meat more than once a week? Disqualified! Drain on the system!

If you get 149 minutes or less of exercise a week? Disqualified! Drain on the system!
Get sick? Disqualified! Drain on the system!

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Shablagoo
01/07/22 2:05:16 PM
#104:


BalloonBattle05 posted...
https://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20180125/smoke-1-cigarette-a-day-it-can-still-kill-you

https://www.livescience.com/32886-one-cigarette-cant-hurt-think-again-.html

Which is why people say that anyone who has never smoked before should never start

maybe it shouldnt harm you terribly but its easy enough to get hooked

https://www.cdc.gov/chronicdisease/resources/publications/factsheets/physical-activity.htm

https://www.sahealth.sa.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/public+content/sa+health+internet/healthy+living/is+your+health+at+risk/the+risks+of+poor+nutrition

https://www.cdc.gov/chronicdisease/resources/publications/factsheets/nutrition.htm

I dont know why you seem to recognize one harmful thing as harmful but not another harmful thing as harmful.

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PMarth2002
01/07/22 2:18:39 PM
#105:


Here's a crazy idea, lives should be prioritized over money...

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UndefeatedGOAT
01/07/22 2:29:11 PM
#106:


BalloonBattle05 posted...


im saying that while you can make the argument for obese people being disqualified, I just dont see any reason to remove it when they often want to change themselves and not abuse the system

im not against giving smokers and drug addicts free healthcare either, but it seems like they are taking it for granted more and will refuse to change themselves


I didnt intend to argue that obese people shouldnt get healthcare I think everyone should

Maybe if we subsidized the farming of healthy foods, instead of corn syrup wed be less fat
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BalloonBattle05
01/07/22 2:47:38 PM
#107:


Shablagoo posted...
https://www.cdc.gov/chronicdisease/resources/publications/factsheets/physical-activity.htm

https://www.sahealth.sa.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/public+content/sa+health+internet/healthy+living/is+your+health+at+risk/the+risks+of+poor+nutrition

https://www.cdc.gov/chronicdisease/resources/publications/factsheets/nutrition.htm

I dont know why you seem to recognize one harmful thing as harmful but not another harmful thing as harmful.

i recognize obesity and smoking as harmful but one is often shamed by the public and it poses issues such as being unable to fit in your clothes. You also only harm yourself. The other can harm others too (from secondhand smoking), isnt shamed as much especially since people often dont know you do it and is more likely done by people who refuse to listen when you tell them their health consequences

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UghWhoCares
01/07/22 2:49:05 PM
#108:


BalloonBattle05 posted...
i recognize obesity and smoking as harmful but one is often shamed by the public and it poses issues such as being unable to fit in your clothes. You also only harm yourself. The other can harm others too (from secondhand smoking), isnt shamed as much especially since people often dont know you do it and is more likely done by people who refuse to listen
This is a weird take that ignores reality

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BalloonBattle05
01/07/22 3:12:01 PM
#109:


E_S_M_Z posted...
This seems kind of...bizarre. You say obese people generally don't want to be obese, but the rates keep rising and most obese people don't become normal weight. If your issue is that they want to change and are unable to due to excessive compulsions, social issues etc...uh, why is that different from drug addiction...?

im saying that people who are obese would often be willing to change themselves more than smokers and drug addicts.

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Skype
01/07/22 3:19:17 PM
#110:


ECW_Originals12 posted...
aaaaaaaaannnnnndd crickets

Just fix it bro.

Crickets because people like that dweeb only want "solutions" that benefit themselves and themselves only.

Offer anything else? He'll just dismiss it and make some vague statement about how things "don't work that way." or reduce you down to an internet person to devalue what you're saying.

It's simply not worth engaging.

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E_S_M_Z
01/07/22 4:03:04 PM
#111:


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im saying that people who are obese would often be willing to change themselves more than smokers and drug addicts.

...Maybe?
Loads of smokers would like to quit though, same with drug addicts. Rehab is a thing.

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BalloonBattle05
01/07/22 4:05:21 PM
#112:


UghWhoCares posted...
This is a weird take that ignores reality

for sure there are overweight people who want to abuse the system, and there are any smokers or drug addicts who dont, but given the amount of education there is on smoking especially in the usa, i wager that smokers and drug addicts are often more ignorant of their choices.

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UghWhoCares
01/07/22 4:40:59 PM
#113:


BalloonBattle05 posted...
i wager

your guesses are pointless

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BalloonBattle05
01/07/22 4:48:02 PM
#114:


E_S_M_Z posted...
...Maybe?
Loads of smokers would like to quit though, same with drug addicts. Rehab is a thing

for sure they sincerely would like to quit but some dont seem to put in any effort.

not that all obese people are putting in effort in losing weight but smoking and drug abuse just seems too idiotic.

also, given the amount of panhandlers (especially aggressive ones) who go out smoking after, I wager more people are smoking as a form of partying

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E_S_M_Z
01/07/22 4:51:20 PM
#115:


BalloonBattle05 posted...
for sure they sincerely would like to quit but some dont seem to put in any effort.

not that all obese people are putting in effort in losing weight but smoking and drug abuse just seems too idiotic.

also, given the amount of panhandlers (especially aggressive ones) who go out smoking after, I wager more people are smoking as a form of partying

This just seems like "I don't like these people, they shouldn't have access to healthcare".

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BalloonBattle05
01/07/22 5:34:08 PM
#116:


E_S_M_Z posted...
This just seems like "I don't like these people, they shouldn't have access to healthcare".

more of they are abusing the system and taking it for granted, which is why they should be disqualified

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greyfox747
01/07/22 5:39:10 PM
#117:


It seems pretty dumb to accuse people of abusing the medical system by getting medical treatment

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BalloonBattle05
01/07/22 5:45:15 PM
#118:


greyfox747 posted...
It seems pretty dumb to accuse people of abusing the medical system by getting medical treatment

i wager they enjoy smoking or drug abuse and refuse to stop knowing that their life will be saved regardless

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DrizztLink
01/07/22 5:54:55 PM
#119:


E_S_M_Z posted...
...Maybe?
Loads of smokers would like to quit though, same with drug addicts. Rehab is a thing.
Good luck going to rehab without insurance.

Which is part of TC's idiotic take he ignores.

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BalloonBattle05
01/07/22 6:20:21 PM
#120:


DrizztLink posted...
Good luck going to rehab without insurance.

Which is part of TC's idiotic take he ignores.

you cannot go to rehab without healthcare? Im not against helping you with rehab but if you just want to abuse the system there in no point in keeping you alive

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UghWhoCares
01/07/22 6:34:07 PM
#121:


Oh now were at the drug addicts deserve to die part of the topic

Sure seems like a shitty argument to me

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thronedfire2
01/07/22 6:35:43 PM
#122:


BalloonBattle05 posted...
you cannot go to rehab without healthcare? Im not against helping you with rehab but if you just want to abuse the system there in no point in keeping you alive

obviously not? You know rehab is actual medical care right? They dont just stuff a bunch of drug addicts in a building and say hey guys dont do drugs mmkay

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BalloonBattle05
01/07/22 7:21:41 PM
#123:


UghWhoCares posted...
Oh now were at the drug addicts deserve to die part of the topic

Sure seems like a shitty argument to me

they shouldnt be forced to die as they would probably become criminals, but they dont deserve healthcare especially if they would never want to change themselves

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Robot2600
01/07/22 7:45:30 PM
#125:


Why aren't meat-eaters disqualified from free healthcare?

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BalloonBattle05
01/07/22 8:56:22 PM
#127:


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less they want to stay an addict and more they dont want to improve their health or they enjoy smoking/drug abuse

Robot2600 posted...
Why aren't meat-eaters disqualified from free healthcare?

because you cannot die having never smoked, but you can die from starvation.

Meat might not be the best choice but anyone starving would eat ANYTHING

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Kloe_Rinz
01/08/22 3:38:09 AM
#128:


So does TC think Trump was a great president and is generally a right leaning religious conservative? Thats the vibe I get from him. His care factor for other people is close to zero
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BalloonBattle05
01/08/22 9:19:41 AM
#129:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
So does TC think Trump was a great president and is generally a right leaning religious conservative? Thats the vibe I get from him. His care factor for other people is close to zero

are you saying that donald trump doesnt give a fuck about other people?

If you think i want all smokers and drug addicts to die, or I dont care about other people, Im all for helping people get off their addictions but I have a feeling that they would just want to manipulate us into making them think they will quit smoking or their addictions when they have no intentions to.

And after reading stories on reddit where aggressive panhandlers who are smoking rob people, it makes me wonder why should we even be paying taxes to keep these people alive

Not that we should force them to die as they would probably murder in response, but we shouldnt be kind to them either.

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UghWhoCares
01/08/22 9:27:55 AM
#130:


youre still going with the same inane rambles huh

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Kloe_Rinz
01/08/22 9:28:28 AM
#131:


BalloonBattle05 posted...
are you saying that donald trump doesnt give a fuck about other people?
i'm saying that you don't
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BalloonBattle05
01/08/22 9:38:42 AM
#132:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
i'm saying that you don't

because i want people to die?

Im against forcing them to die, but if you will just never improve your health and you refuse to change yourself because you enjoy smoking or drugs then why should we even bother helping you?

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thronedfire2
01/08/22 9:49:22 AM
#133:


TC is obliviously just low key trolling and arguing in bad faith at this point

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E_S_M_Z
01/08/22 10:13:03 AM
#134:


BalloonBattle05 posted...
because i want people to die?

Yes


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BalloonBattle05
01/08/22 10:54:35 AM
#135:


E_S_M_Z posted...
Yes

where did i say i hate smokers and drug addicts. I want them to die?

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UghWhoCares
01/08/22 11:06:24 AM
#136:


BalloonBattle05 posted...
where did i say i hate smokers and drug addicts. I want them to die?
Bud youve been arguing in favor of them dying that all topic

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E_S_M_Z
01/08/22 11:14:01 AM
#137:


BalloonBattle05 posted...
where did i say i hate smokers and drug addicts. I want them to die?

Probably the part where you advocated denying life saving medical intervention to them and reiterate in literally every post how much you don't like them

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CanuckCowboy
01/08/22 11:40:13 AM
#139:


BalloonBattle05 posted...


and even then im against forcing them to die or shooting them with a gun

Look at fuckin mother Theresa over here.

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Shablagoo
01/08/22 11:43:15 AM
#140:


Why isnt TC disqualified from posting on GFAQs? Hes clearly demonstrated that he has no intention of making any posts that dont contain trolling, hes merely here trying to manipulate us into thinking that he does.

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