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Houston
01/05/22 8:02:08 PM
#1:


Do you agree with this?


"In a stunning reversal of traditional law enforcement procedures, Bragg sent a memo stressing "diversion and alternatives to incarceration" in prosecutions. The exceptions to the no-jail time offenses include murder, some sex offenses and white-collar corruption crimes. Several serious crimes, like armed robbery, are being reduced to misdemeanors."

"In the case of murder, Bragg says his office will limit sentences to 20 years. He is refusing to seek the state-mandated "life without parole" for murderers, who would include terrorists, cop killers and even serial killers."

"Armed robbers who use guns or other deadly weapons to stick up stores and other businesses will be prosecuted only for petty larceny, a misdemeanor, provided no victims were seriously injured and theres no genuine risk of physical harm to anyone."

In Braggs Manhattan, you can resist arrest, deal drugs, obstruct arrests, and even carry a gun and get away with it, DEA president Paul DiGiacomo said in a prepared statement."

"The head of the NYPDs largest union, the Police Benevolent Association, also expressed serious concerns about the message these types of policies send to both police officers and criminals on the street.
Police officers dont want to be sent out to enforce laws that the district attorneys wont prosecute, PBA president Patrick Lynch said.
And there are already too many people who believe that they can commit crimes, resist arrest, interfere with police officers and face zero consequences.

https://nypost.com/2022/01/04/manhattan-da-alvin-bragg-to-stop-seeking-prison-in-some-cases/

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/manhattan-da-ending-prison-sentences-for-most-crimes-was-backed-by-jerry-nadler-other-prominent-democrats


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Skinwalker_Rnch
01/05/22 8:04:50 PM
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uwnim
01/05/22 8:05:49 PM
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20 years is a pretty fucking long time, tbh.


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Omnislasher
01/05/22 8:06:41 PM
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if it bothers you then i'm for it, tc, yes
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Fony
01/05/22 8:07:36 PM
#5:


Lmfao. I could understand of social cohesion was good and we had a robust mental health treatment and criminal rehabilitation system.

As things are now, lol.

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ThePrinceFish
01/05/22 8:08:54 PM
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He campaigned on this and won election. He didn't trick anyone. He was open about how he would act in office.

Now let's watch.

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F1areaGaman
01/05/22 8:08:56 PM
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People need to leave the cities.

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pikachupwnage
01/05/22 8:09:08 PM
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This would make sense if we bothered trying to reform our criminal Justice system.

As it stands lmfao let the brazen crime sprees commence.

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Iodine
01/05/22 8:09:40 PM
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uwnim posted...
20 years is a pretty fucking long time, tbh.


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Irony
01/05/22 8:10:08 PM
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Hopefully judges ignore him

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PatrickMahomes
01/05/22 8:10:10 PM
#11:


At what point in the past few years did we as a country just up and decide that we're okay with crime?

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Doom_Art
01/05/22 8:11:11 PM
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I love how angry this makes conservatives

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ZMythos
01/05/22 8:11:32 PM
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I hope more crime happens until we fix the actual causes of crime.

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Tyranthraxus
01/05/22 8:12:16 PM
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Houston posted...
and even carry a gun and get away with it,
Gasp not federally guaranteed rights!

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Flauros
01/05/22 8:15:46 PM
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uwnim posted...
20 years is a pretty fucking long time, tbh.
The eternity of death for their victims is longer

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Antifar
01/05/22 8:17:55 PM
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20 years is about what Derek Chauvin got. It's more than the average murderer in the UK:
https://fullfact.org/crime/how-long-do-murderers-serve-prison/

It's not some radical notion.

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Houston
01/05/22 8:19:10 PM
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Flauros posted...
The eternity of death for their victims is longer

And for their families, too. Imagine someone killing your loved one and getting out in 20 years or even less (since the article said it would be a LIMIT... not necessarily a guarantee of 20).

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Blue_Inigo
01/05/22 8:20:33 PM
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OK cool. The prison industry is just slavery

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ZMythos
01/05/22 8:22:07 PM
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Flauros posted...
The eternity of death for their victims is longer
OK? And?

Houston posted...
And for their families, too. Imagine someone killing your loved one and getting out in 20 years or even less (since the article said it would be a LIMIT... not necessarily a guarantee of 20).
Good thing I'm not in charge of sentencing then, since it sounds like my grieving state of mind would cause me to think and behave irrationally

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Houston
01/05/22 8:25:09 PM
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ZMythos posted...
OK? And?

Good thing I'm not in charge of sentencing then, since it sounds like my grieving state of mind would cause me to think and behave irrationally

How do you see it that someone who takes someone's life should be released in 20 years or less?

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ZMythos
01/05/22 8:41:29 PM
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Houston posted...
How do you see it that someone who takes someone's life should be released in 20 years or less?
I think that's perfectly fine. 20 years is a long time. Hopefully that person feels remorseful for what they did. The best justice is when someone admits they were wrong and tries to make amends for their wrongdoing.

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Intro2Logic
01/05/22 8:41:32 PM
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The US has some of the harshest sentencing laws in the western world, and every suburbanite over 50 still views their local downtown as a Mad Max hellscape where they will be murdered on sight. There is no evidence that these policies have had the intended effect, unless the intent was to produce the world's largest prison population.

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Tyranthraxus
01/05/22 8:43:00 PM
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Intro2Logic posted...
The US has some of the harshest sentencing laws in the western world, and every suburbanite over 50 still views their local downtown as a Mad Max hellscape where they will be murdered on sight. There is no evidence that these policies have had the intended effect, unless the intent was to produce the world's largest prison population.

Guys he figured it out get the secret service on the line fast and start warming up the plane to Guantanamo

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Butterfiles
01/05/22 8:43:52 PM
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The ten countries with the highest incarceration rates (per 100K) are:
  1. United States (639)
  2. El Salvador (566)
  3. Turkmenistan (552)
  4. Thailand (549)
  5. Palau (522)
  6. Rwanda (511)
  7. Cuba (510)
  8. Maldives (499)
  9. Bahamas (442)
  10. Grenada (429)



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Rayman2943
01/05/22 8:44:20 PM
#26:


20 years for murder? No.
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Flauros
01/05/22 8:45:02 PM
#27:


ZMythos posted...
I think that's perfectly fine. 20 years is a long time. Hopefully that person feels remorseful for what they did. The best justice is when someone admits they were wrong and tries to make amends for their wrongdoing.
Imagine being OK with serial killers and mass shooters and terrorists getting 20 years tops.



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LightHawKnight
01/05/22 8:53:50 PM
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pikachupwnage posted...
This would make sense if we bothered trying to reform our criminal Justice system.

As it stands lmfao let the brazen crime sprees commence.


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Cokewave
01/05/22 8:55:51 PM
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20 years for a murder? sure
Misdemeanor for armed robbery? The fuck?

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voldothegr8
01/05/22 8:58:17 PM
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ZMythos posted...

I think that's perfectly fine. 20 years is a long time. Hopefully that person feels remorseful for what they did. The best justice is when someone admits they were wrong and tries to make amends for their wrongdoing.

On the flip side of that coin, what about when they get out and just keep on killing?

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Rayman2943
01/05/22 9:00:24 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
I love how angry this makes conservatives
Stop. Armed robbery shouldn't be a misdemeanor
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Norman_Smiley
01/05/22 9:01:02 PM
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how is that legal? Like by NY state statute, armed robbery is a felony. Is prosecutorial leeway that big?

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Houston
01/05/22 9:03:07 PM
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ZMythos posted...
I think that's perfectly fine. 20 years is a long time. Hopefully that person feels remorseful for what they did. The best justice is when someone admits they were wrong and tries to make amends for their wrongdoing.

Making amends or admitting guilt doesn't seem like a prerequisite to obtain a 20 year or less sentence for murder, though.

I don't think it's justice for the victim or their families. Taking someone's life in a non-defense situation is a pretty big deal. I don't feel comfortable knowing people who murdered someone in cold blood would be let free again, particularly so soon.

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Skinwalker_Rnch
01/05/22 9:05:18 PM
#37:


metallica846 posted...
IMO whats really happening here is the DA wants to lower its felony convictions to make themselves look better while at the same time not labeling people as felons for the rest of their lives.


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ModLogic
01/05/22 9:05:27 PM
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more like New York Shity
lol MIRITE?

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voldothegr8
01/05/22 9:06:16 PM
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metallica846 posted...

Whataboutism is so dangerous.

https://www.grunge.com/609064/paroled-killers-who-murdered-again/

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01/05/22 9:06:44 PM
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hockeybub89
01/05/22 9:09:28 PM
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What's wrong with 20 years for murder? I'm sorry conservatives think prison is a vacation and that even petty thieves should be given life sentences.

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Intro2Logic
01/05/22 9:10:47 PM
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Houston posted...
I don't feel comfortable knowing people who murdered someone in cold blood would be let free again, particularly so soon.
Those are your feelings; the facts are that countries with shorter prison sentences than ours also tend to have lower rates of recidivism. Per this review (https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/715100) of studies that have been done on the matter, "custodial sanctions have a null or criminogenic effect on reoffending when compared with noncustodial sanctions such as probation. Although a small number of factors moderate effect size estimates (e.g., research design, type of reoffending measure), we find no conditions under which custody reduces reoffending."

Should we base policies on the facts, or your feelings?

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lilORANG
01/05/22 9:17:49 PM
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I generally support this sort of policy, but there does need to be a line drawn at some point even for the non-violent offenders. If they refuse to stop creating victims in the community after multiple chances, the only thing to do is separate them from the community. And armed robbery is an A or B felony in many jurisdictions specifically because it's insanely dangerous. Dropping that to a misdemeanor is insane.

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jumi
01/05/22 9:19:39 PM
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Might as well try it. The opposite wasn't working.

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voldothegr8
01/05/22 9:20:21 PM
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jumi posted...
Might as well try it. The opposite wasn't working.

Or maybe it was and shit is about to get a whole lot worse

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Houston
01/05/22 9:20:54 PM
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Well, many say that crime has been falling over the years. But we have seen quite a bit of an uptick recently.

From the article:

"A Manhattan police supervisor said: The identical platform has not worked out in San Francisco, Chicago, Philadelphia and Baltimore.

I would have to agree. I don't think providing next to nothing sentences or even no jail time for violent crimes is such a great idea.

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DarthAragorn
01/05/22 9:23:16 PM
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Oh man if the police say harsher sentences are good then it must be true

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hockeybub89
01/05/22 9:24:25 PM
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"Greatest country in the world" but our answer to the biggest prison population in the world is "We don't throw enough people in prison for long enough".

Can we be great if we always insinuate that we have the dumbest, fattest, and most violent/evil population on the planet?

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