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Damn_Underscore
12/30/21 11:00:53 AM
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At this point, the evidence is overwhelming that his enemies are just going to escape being captured and go on to kill more people. By only capturing them instead of killing them again and again, Batman is partly responsible for this.

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Garioshi
12/30/21 11:01:47 AM
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You mean the state refuses to kill them

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Damn_Underscore
12/30/21 11:02:34 AM
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Garioshi posted...
You mean the state refuses to kill them

He could kill them if he wanted to. What are the authorities going to do about it? Arrest him?

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Kloe_Rinz
12/30/21 11:02:36 AM
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Both the state and Batman are wrong for refusing to execute these people
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ThyCorndog
12/30/21 11:03:17 AM
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He's a billionaire that beats up poor people and neurodivergent people

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Jagr_68
12/30/21 11:06:06 AM
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Contrary to the edgelord interpretations of Batman where he just kills people, he acknowledges that he is not the law like Judge Dredd.

All he does is break limbs and give concussions on the off chance that criminals will learn not to fuck with him but it's really Gotham's shitty justice and rehabilitation system that keeps the cycle going.

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cjsdowg
12/30/21 11:09:52 AM
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Batman not killing people is not the issue. You can't ask someone just to kill people. Him saving the criminals that is an issue.

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Compsognathus
12/30/21 11:10:56 AM
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Capital punishment is morally despicable and the state and Batman are correct in not using it.

That said Blackgate Prison and Arkham Asylum clearly need a complete overhaul as they are completely incapable of holding their (not even particularly powerful) inmates/patients.

Like maybe have the people who run Iron Heights or Stykers come in and consult regarding prison security. They generally do a much better job of keeping much more powerful prisoners imprisoned.

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FortuneCookie
12/30/21 11:11:37 AM
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Batman is like a strawman argument for the death penalty.

"What if someone could escape indefinitely and go on killing. Would you execute them then?"
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Damn_Underscore
12/30/21 11:12:46 AM
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FortuneCookie posted...
Batman is like a strawman argument for the death penalty.

"What if someone could escape indefinitely and go on killing. Would you execute them then?"

Batmans world is not real life, this is so exaggerated in Batmans world that is an actual issue.

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FortuneCookie
12/30/21 11:13:40 AM
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I agree that Batman should make an end of them. I never got the concept of an antihero who won't kill. They're not resolving the problem, they're just delaying it while also behaving like an asshole.

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FortuneCookie
12/30/21 11:14:08 AM
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An antihero is supposed to represent an escape from the rules. I would think the first rule one would want freedom from is the rule that the good guy isn't supposed to take a life.
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Compsognathus
12/30/21 11:16:50 AM
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Batman isn't an anti-hero. He is pretty standard superhero in nearly everyway.

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FortuneCookie
12/30/21 11:18:32 AM
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It depends on who is writing. The Alan Moore / Frank Miller Batman is an antihero. The Christopher Nolan Batman is an antihero.

Anyone who would leave someone to starve or intentionally cripple someone is pretty horrific let alone antiheroic. Not to mention that Nolan's Batman repeatedly takes lives throughout the series while insisting he does not.
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Jx1010
12/30/21 11:18:52 AM
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Look at our justice system, the same as gotham city


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Ryven
12/30/21 11:21:29 AM
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Garioshi posted...
You mean the state refuses to kill them


That's why Batman should move to Texas.

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s0nicfan
12/30/21 11:25:51 AM
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One of the more interesting interpretations of Batman is when the writer plays with the idea that Batman is obsessed with rehabilitation because he needs to believe that he, himself, is not too far gone. That the reason why he keeps capturing the joker instead of killing him is because if the joker can be reformed then maybe he has a chance at peace one day.

What's nice about this interpretation is it also gives him a chance to occasionally empathize with his rogues gallery, like with Harley in the old cartoon:
https://youtu.be/rz1O7SMh_-s

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Jx1010
12/30/21 11:26:19 AM
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Ryven posted...
That's why Batman should move to Texas.
The lone ranger already takes care of texas.
Just like aquaman takes care of the ocean.


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lilORANG
12/30/21 11:30:16 AM
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Does Batman ever bother to testify in court? He'd be an essential witness to most of the crimes he stops. Catching bad guys is only half the battle. You half to prosecute them too.

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CyricZ
12/30/21 11:44:41 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
One of the more interesting interpretations of Batman is when the writer plays with the idea that Batman is obsessed with rehabilitation because he needs to believe that he, himself, is not too far gone. That the reason why he keeps capturing the joker instead of killing him is because if the joker can be reformed then maybe he has a chance at peace one day.

What's nice about this interpretation is it also gives him a chance to occasionally empathize with his rogues gallery, like with Harley in the old cartoon:
BTAS did this far better than almost anything I've ever seen.

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s0nicfan
12/30/21 11:47:12 AM
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CyricZ posted...
BTAS did this far better than almost anything I've ever seen.

BTAS was definitely brilliant in that regard. Hell, turning Mr freeze from a generic cold-based bad guy to the tragic tale of a scientist desperate to raise funding to find a cure for his cryogenically frozen wife completely revolutionized the character.

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FortuneCookie
12/30/21 11:49:24 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
BTAS was definitely brilliant in that regard. Hell, turning Mr freeze from a generic cold-based bad guy to the tragic tale of a scientist desperate to raise funding to find a cure for his cryogenically frozen wife completely revolutionized the character.

And then he hit the iceberg...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/5/8/AAdlC_AACwTu.jpg

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lolife67
12/30/21 11:50:51 AM
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Killing them still wouldn't solve the issue since they'd just come back.
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Jiek_Fafn
12/30/21 11:52:58 AM
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Bruce Wayne has enough money to lobby for changes in the justice system. Instead he chooses not to. Bruce Wayne is worth like $80 billion. He's richer than Lex Luthor.

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FortuneCookie
12/30/21 11:53:43 AM
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lolife67 posted...
Killing them still wouldn't solve the issue since they'd just come back.

Damn.

You're right.

Batman's been around in comics long enough to realize no one stays dead anyway.
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CyricZ
12/30/21 11:54:04 AM
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lolife67 posted...
Killing them still wouldn't solve the issue since they'd just come back.
Y'know what.

You're not wrong.

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Prismsblade
12/30/21 11:57:02 AM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
Batman is partly responsible for this.
Lmao, no, The legal system is. Writers just scapegoat batman or any hero in this regard to avoid answering why the system just doeasnt do so.

In other words, aside from being a excuse for keeping villains alive for future storys it's a lazy tool for adding depth to a hero.

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s0nicfan
12/30/21 11:57:27 AM
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Jiek_Fafn posted...
Bruce Wayne has enough money to lobby for changes in the justice system. Instead he chooses not to. Bruce Wayne is worth like $80 billion. He's richer than Lex Luthor.

Except he does all that. The Wayne foundation is the most charitable organization in DC comics. The whole point of him being Batman is that Gotham is too corrupt to be fixed through traditional means.

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darkprince45
12/30/21 11:59:53 AM
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Jiek_Fafn posted...
Bruce Wayne has enough money to lobby for changes in the justice system. Instead he chooses not to. Bruce Wayne is worth like $80 billion. He's richer than Lex Luthor.


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Jiek_Fafn
12/30/21 12:07:25 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Except he does all that. The Wayne foundation is the most charitable organization in DC comics. The whole point of him being Batman is that Gotham is too corrupt to be fixed through traditional means.
As someone else mentioned, Gotham does not have nearly the same quality of correctional facilities that Metropolis does. Bruce doesn't do shit to fix that.

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cjsdowg
12/30/21 12:09:10 PM
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Jiek_Fafn posted...
As someone else mentioned, Gotham does not have nearly the same quality of correctional facilities that Metropolis does. Bruce doesn't do shit to fix that.

So you want him to go into private prisons ?

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GeneralKenobi85
12/30/21 12:13:32 PM
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CyricZ posted...
BTAS did this far better than almost anything I've ever seen.
One thing that really impressed me a lot with BTAS is how it shows Bruce get so beat down by the job over time. Earlier in the series Bruce Wayne and Batman are distinctly different, which I think is reflected mainly in how Conroy gives them two different voices. You really feel like Bruce Wayne as he is portrayed is the true Bruce Wayne and he's just taking on the Batman persona because he thinks he needs to. There's still a sense of optimism, but later in the series that fades away. They ditch the old Bruce Wayne voice and just give him Batman's voice all the time.

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FortuneCookie
12/30/21 12:16:59 PM
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One thing I always appreciated about the Animated Series was that it was no respecter of persons when it came to a villain's status.

The Penguin was one of Batman's most famous foes. The dude was an absolute jobber. The Joker is Batman's most iconic foe. Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy could take him in a fight. Clock King is an unknown and he nearly had Batman's number.

Everything played out according to what would logically happen -- minus anyone dying, of course -- given their respective abilities. It wasn't like the unknowns were fodder and the icons were Batman's greatest challenges.
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Jiek_Fafn
12/30/21 12:17:55 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
So you want him to go into private prisons ?
Yes
He needs to take some responsibility. Not as Batman, but as a supposedly benevolent billionaire. His real life equivalents are going to out space. He's sitting in a shithole town and not effectively cleaning it up.

Lex Luthor doesn't put up with that kind of shit. Metropolis is much safer for it. Most villains there are only interested in fighting Superman, which Lex is always trying to save us from having to deal with.

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Xethuminra
12/30/21 12:20:07 PM
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This is Batman's internal struggle, and the crux of the stories with Azrael & Nightwing....

Not to mention Prof Strange's opinion
Or Ra's al Ghul's opinion
Or the Joker's opinion
Or Bane's opinion
Or Commissioner Gordon's opinion for that matter

Batman doesn't kill street thugs. He has been known to break his rule when he sees fit (as in BvS)
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Mistere Man
12/30/21 12:23:08 PM
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Ok I was going to say I am surprised some cop hasnt just offed the Joker after Bats turned them over for revenge or something, but then I saw this post.

lolife67 posted...
Killing them still wouldn't solve the issue since they'd just come back.

Damn magic amulets and crap!

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Pepys Monster
12/30/21 12:23:08 PM
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If Batman killed people, he would have to go to trial and explain it was self defense, and hope the judge rules in his favor. That's not worth it.

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Trumble
12/30/21 12:26:25 PM
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lolife67 posted...
Killing them still wouldn't solve the issue since they'd just come back.

...mind = blown.

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Xethuminra
12/30/21 12:27:17 PM
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Mistere Man posted...
Ok I was going to say I am surprised some cop hasnt just offed the Joker after Bats turned them over for revenge or something, but then I saw this post.

Damn magic amulets and crap!
Actually......

That's almost always how the Joker manages to escape. Dark Knight even made a reference.

They try to kill him or torture him and he gets away in the chaos & carnage
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Xethuminra
12/30/21 12:35:43 PM
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The original Batman was basically just a cop in tights who swings in on a rope to save the damsel in distress, like most pulp heroes, and was marketed to a younger audience

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s0nicfan
12/30/21 12:41:44 PM
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Wherethisfeom posted...
I forgot which version it was but I know there was an analysis of some Batmans where Batman was the actual "true character" while it was Bruce Wayne that was the persona.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/8/9/AABJX0AACwUN.jpg


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Juhanor
12/30/21 12:44:59 PM
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Xethuminra
12/30/21 12:48:54 PM
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*Rehensible?
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Funkydog
12/30/21 12:59:49 PM
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It is also baffling how the police haven't legit feared for their life or "had an accident" with one of them, given how utterly corrupt many are.

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Shotgunnova
12/30/21 1:05:36 PM
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Batman: I don't kill my enemies.
Oswald Cobblepot: Maybe that's why you got so many?

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