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Antifar 12/29/21 9:19:56 AM #1: |
This fall, a pair of middle school teachers from the Salinas Valley traveled to Palm Springs for the California Teachers Associations annual LGBTQ+ Issues Conference. There, on a Saturday afternoon, Lori Caldeira and Kelly Baraki spoke to a few dozen people about a subject they knew well: the difficulty of running a GSA, or gay-straight alliance, in a socially conservative community. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Two-California-teachers-were-secretly-recorded-16732562.php --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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treewojima 12/29/21 9:28:50 AM #2: |
I don't even know what to say other than "fuck off" to everyone opposed to outreach like this ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gamer167 12/29/21 9:31:25 AM #3: |
Speaking about recruiting students, Baraki said, When we were doing our virtual learning we totally stalked what they were doing on Google, when they werent doing schoolwork. criticizing Caldeira and Baraki for actions they had seen as proper: keeping club members identities confidential from parents and finding a couple of potential members by viewing their online activity in class. Good intentions bad execution. Should have known that was not appropriate, aint your lane bubbas. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendary_zell 12/29/21 9:36:03 AM #4: |
They simply don't think trans people actually exist or are valid. They think it's something blue haired sjw borderline pedophiles recruit you into, that's why they want all mention of it banned. They think if no one hears about it, no one will realize they're trans or LGBT because these are ideas that the aforementioned recruiters put into their heads for reasons. They want people to stay in the closet by force by making sure they don't even know there's a closet or a door out of it. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DowntownMrSmith 12/29/21 9:56:42 AM #6: |
legendary_zell posted... They simply don't think trans people actually exist or are valid. They think it's something blue haired sjw borderline pedophiles recruit you into, that's why they want all mention of it banned. They think if no one hears about it, no one will realize they're trans or LGBT because these are ideas that the aforementioned recruiters put into their heads for reasons. They want people to stay in the closet by force by making sure they don't even know there's a closet or a door out of it. Its perfectly reasonable to keep discussions of these topics out of elementary schools. Even in high school, discussions of these subjects should be allowed, but the school teachers should not push a particular agenda or point of view. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NeoShadowhen 12/29/21 10:00:55 AM #7: |
Seems pretty sketchy. Unless they make their intention very clear from the beginning, this is inappropriate. Maybe if they make it VERY clear from the beginning, like say hey, were going to be looking at everything you do a google search on. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 12/29/21 10:36:42 AM #9: |
NeoShadowhen posted... Seems pretty sketchy. Unless they make their intention very clear from the beginning, this is inappropriate. Maybe if they make it VERY clear from the beginning, like say hey, were going to be looking at everything you do a google search on.For context, this is the next part of the article (which I couldn't paste due to character limits) Caldeira said she did not monitor student activities on her own initiative. With the onset of virtual learning, Buena Vista Middle School began using GoGuardian, a software that is usually installed on school-provided devices and allows teachers to see what students are doing on their computers while they are in class. The software is designed to flag words or behaviors identifying children at risk of harming themselves or others. --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RedLuigi 12/29/21 10:38:45 AM #10: |
NeoShadowhen posted... Seems pretty sketchy. Unless they make their intention very clear from the beginning, this is inappropriate. Maybe if they make it VERY clear from the beginning, like say hey, were going to be looking at everything you do a google search on. This.. or just have a student survey where they ask students what clubs they are interested in joining >_> Honestly though, they should just have the LGBTQ available like any other club and have students sign up like any other student would.. making all these secret clauses for anonymity isnt needed and we shouldnt be teaching kids that they need to hide. --- It's-a-me! Green Mario! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 12/29/21 10:39:37 AM #11: |
NeoShadowhen posted... Seems pretty sketchy. Unless they make their intention very clear from the beginning, this is inappropriate. Maybe if they make it VERY clear from the beginning, like say hey, were going to be looking at everything you do a google search on. im pretty sure its common knowledge they could track what students are doing during school hours just like employers can track what people working from home do(if they make you install the software for it) --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bigblu89 12/29/21 10:40:11 AM #12: |
Conservatives really need to look into the concept of "That's not for me, but you do you". --- It takes zero effort to be a good person. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pistachio12 12/29/21 11:40:03 AM #14: |
thronedfire2 posted... im pretty sure its common knowledge they could track what students are doing during school hours just like employers can track what people working from home do(if they make you install the software for it) Potentially not individual teachers but admin. And like searching a locker, you shouldn't be doing it unless you have a serious concern about something. Having said that, reading the rest of the article does clarify how the teachers got that information and I'm perfectly okay with how things went down on their side. RedLuigi posted... Honestly though, they should just have the LGBTQ available like any other club and have students sign up like any other student would.. making all these secret clauses for anonymity isnt needed and we shouldnt be teaching kids that they need to hide. Except they are specifically talking about how it's hard to run a GSA club in a conservative community as students are not open to joining, especially when in middle school. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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sktgamer_13dude 12/29/21 11:50:17 AM #16: |
DowntownMrSmith posted...
Dude shut the fuck up. There is nothing wrong with what the teachers did. --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's RIP SMV 2/25/21 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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sktgamer_13dude 12/29/21 11:52:44 AM #17: |
shockthemonkey posted...
How can they control your life if they live it that way though? Its why theyre all rules for thee, but not for me. Like I was rewatching the Q thing on HBO and they got to Epstein and to see the gymnastics people were saying wrt the Clintons and Trump. These people cant be reasoned with. --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's RIP SMV 2/25/21 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_Angel_ 12/29/21 11:55:25 AM #18: |
Antifar posted... For context, this is the next part of the article (which I couldn't paste due to character limits) That part was the only aspect of this that I had a problem with, and that excerpt provides sufficient explanation. The explanation for the use of the term "stalking" was not however. And I find it slightly eyebrow raising that this is supposed to be a "tongue in cheek" remark but it makes sense that they let their filters down in what they thought was a private space. It's very said because things like this UBU club do a lot of good no doubt, and now it's in jeopardy because of the optics of this situation and the resultant reaction. I understand how the parents might feel, but I hope that they hear out those teacher's clarifications instead of doubling down on gay = bad. --- Nostalgia, how I remember things. Remember crowns, remember kings. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZMythos 12/29/21 12:12:04 PM #20: |
I teach in Rural WI. The staff is pretty progressive but the community, not so much. I would absolutely advise any kind of LGBT+ Alliance or something similar, but we were warned by administration that it must be 100% student led to keep any backlash to a minimum. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: *kissu* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Umbreon 12/29/21 12:13:07 PM #21: |
The longer it takes for kids to learn that LGBTQ people exist, the easier it is to convince said kids that those people 'don't belong'. That's why it's always 'too early' to teach kids about them. But a man and a woman marrying? No problem there! Hell, you can even make a game out of it... --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) 12-18-19 and 01-13-21: Times Donald Trump has officially been impeached. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PuppetPalClem 12/29/21 12:16:09 PM #22: |
bigblu89 posted... Conservatives really need to look into the concept of "That's not for me, but you do you".I heard someone say, Thats not my cup of tea, but you enjoy your cup. and I think about that from time to time. --- *bonk* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HylianFox 12/29/21 12:27:15 PM #23: |
Conservatives attacking both teachers and students, so what else is new? --- This is my signature until I can think of a better one. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Machete 12/29/21 12:27:44 PM #24: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] That is the very basis for and point of conservativism --- I do not receive notifications, so using the @ feature will not do anything. I might see your post and respond though if I have already been in the topic. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AzurexNightmare 12/29/21 12:30:39 PM #25: |
legendary_zell posted... They simply don't think trans people actually exist or are valid. They think it's something blue haired sjw borderline pedophiles recruit you into, that's why they want all mention of it banned. They think if no one hears about it, no one will realize they're trans or LGBT because these are ideas that the aforementioned recruiters put into their heads for reasons. They want people to stay in the closet by force by making sure they don't even know there's a closet or a door out of it.What is sjw? Sacajaewae? --- Latest Game Completed 100% Resident Evil VII ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HylianFox 12/29/21 12:31:27 PM #26: |
AzurexNightmare posted... What is sjw? Sacajaewae? Have you not used the internet in the last 10 years or what --- This is my signature until I can think of a better one. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gawain791 12/29/21 12:36:41 PM #27: |
Was gonna post this when I got up this morning but glad someone already did. Disgusting and disheartening that this nonsense isn't limited to conservative states (although conservative areas of CA can give them a run for their money any day) --- The artist formerly known as RebelElite791 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendary_zell 12/29/21 12:54:37 PM #28: |
DowntownMrSmith posted... Its perfectly reasonable to keep discussions of these topics out of elementary schools. Even in high school, discussions of these subjects should be allowed, but the school teachers should not push a particular agenda or point of view. If you can discuss or acknowledge that straight or cis people exist at that age, you can do it for everyone. No one's head is gonna explode from that, other than homophobic parents. Talking about/acknowledging/treating one as forbidden or advanced knowledge is pushing a particular agenda or point of view, as evidenced by the people who are openly anti-lgbt advocating for the same approach you are. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AzurexNightmare 12/29/21 2:19:59 PM #29: |
HylianFox posted... Have you not used the internet in the last 10 years or whatSjw is that Indian right --- Latest Game Completed 100% Resident Evil VII ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarthAragorn 12/29/21 2:20:38 PM #30: |
hate these shitty people the bigoted parents, not the teachers --- MSI MEG X570 Unify | Ryzen 7 5800X | 32GB DDR4-3600 | RTX 3080 Samsung Odyssey G7 32" - 1440p, 240hz, GSync ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 12/29/21 2:27:33 PM #31: |
treewojima posted... I don't even know what to say other than "fuck off" to everyone opposed to outreach like this --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CapnMuffin 12/29/21 2:34:56 PM #32: |
I have intimate knowledge of social work in schools within a conservative area. Its tough. You have to do right by the kids but the admin and parents are always a force pushing back. In our state we dont need to legally notify parents of what their kids do or dont do unless its about physical harm. Not sure if this is a public school and what the rules are there. All too often a kid is terrified how a parent will react to something. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tenlaar 12/29/21 2:50:47 PM #34: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] I dont find it reasonable for a school to hide the activities of children from their parents if the parents ask about it, especially not with the justification of some parent are bad. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jiek_Fafn 12/29/21 2:58:25 PM #35: |
Sorry kids that aren't equipped to handle this stuff and might need a hand, conservatives sticking their nose in this want you fuck off and die. --- I don't believe in belts. There should be no ranking system for toughness. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Unsugarized_Foo 12/29/21 3:00:33 PM #38: |
bigblu89 posted... Conservatives really need to look into the concept of "That's not for me, but you do you". Thats how you get a modern day libertarian --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HylianFox 12/29/21 3:01:15 PM #39: |
Tenlaar posted... I dont find it reasonable for a school to hide the activities of children from their parents if the parents ask about it, especially not with the justification of some parent are bad. Active Posts: 10 [LFAQs-redacted-quote] It's sad that we live in a world where schools have to account for fuck-up parents, but here we are --- This is my signature until I can think of a better one. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gawain791 12/29/21 3:01:45 PM #40: |
Unsugarized_Foo posted... Thats how you get a modern day libertarianThe vast majority of libertarians are just Republicans who are afraid to identify as such, and do not by any means actually believe or practice what you quoted. --- The artist formerly known as RebelElite791 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZMythos 12/29/21 3:04:56 PM #41: |
Tenlaar posted... I dont find it reasonable for a school to hide the activities of children from their parents if the parents ask about it, especially not with the justification of some parent are bad.There are already a multitude of services that schools/the state offer which can remain confidential. It varies by state, but in general they include reproductive/family planning services, counseling, and mental health services. Teachers are also mandatory reporters of any sign of abuse or neglect towards a child. Thus there is sufficient precedent in retaining/refusing to report information if it may put the child in danger. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: *kissu* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tenlaar 12/29/21 3:05:03 PM #42: |
HylianFox posted... Active Posts: 10I havent been spending time on gamefaqs much lately. Whats your point? [LFAQs-redacted-quote] [LFAQs-redacted-quote] If there is a genuine concern of abuse then that should be reported and handled by other means, not by giving schools the ability to keep the activities of young children from their parents. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarthAragorn 12/29/21 3:06:35 PM #43: |
Schools should have zero responsibility to parents. Schools aren't for them, they're for children. --- MSI MEG X570 Unify | Ryzen 7 5800X | 32GB DDR4-3600 | RTX 3080 Samsung Odyssey G7 32" - 1440p, 240hz, GSync ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dat_Cracka_Jax 12/29/21 3:07:01 PM #44: |
gamer167 posted... Speaking about recruiting students, Baraki said, When we were doing our virtual learning we totally stalked what they were doing on Google, when they werent doing schoolwork.That depends on the school policies laid out in what is okay to do with the monitoring software. If they have no policies or didn't cover the situation that occurred, that's on the school --- http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/8131/flame201010170949481638.jpg http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/5517/cateyes.gif Rams: 7-9 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hsvhighlife 12/29/21 3:08:20 PM #45: |
anyone who thinks it's a teachers place to be this involved with a child on their sexuality clearly doesn't have children. sounds like these 2 teachers were grooming kids --- "Experts on overpopulation blame "Volvo" with their obsession with vehicle safety" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gawain791 12/29/21 3:09:03 PM #46: |
Just mark #45 and don't engage with it. --- The artist formerly known as RebelElite791 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HylianFox 12/29/21 3:09:31 PM #48: |
Gawain791 posted... Just mark #45 and don't engage with it. yeah, I saw him in the other topic --- This is my signature until I can think of a better one. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DrizztLink 12/29/21 3:09:42 PM #49: |
Tenlaar posted... I dont find it reasonable for a school to hide the activities of children from their parents if the parents ask about it, especially not with the justification of some parent are bad.I'm a Graduate level Social Work student, a solid third of my classmates work in school placements, a huge chunk of my professors work in school settings, I could be in a school right now doing internship stuff if I wanted. All of this is to tell you you don't have the FIRST fucking clue what you're talking about. Confidentiality is a cornerstone of school-based therapy, the same as it is literally everywhere. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 12/29/21 3:13:55 PM #51: |
I cant see 45 anyway --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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