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KiwiTerraRizing
12/18/21 12:00:45 PM
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Only those with actual medical reasons to not be vaccinated like being immune suppressed should get treatment.

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hockeybub89
12/18/21 12:03:48 PM
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Or we can fucking force them to get vaccinated. Enforce a strict ban on being in public until they concede.

You can't refuse them and that still doesn't fix the problem of the unvaccinated allowing the virus to live.

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wackyteen
12/18/21 12:05:41 PM
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The downside is if they can't get treated, then they're just going to go out in public and spread it, encouraging it to mutate further because they sure as hell aren't going to isolate unless they physically cannot move

And whoever is taking care of them will get sick and spread it, because it's unlikely that they'd use contact less delivery options

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Foppe
12/18/21 12:07:44 PM
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wackyteen posted...
The downside is if they can't get treated, then they're just going to go out in public and spread it, encouraging it to mutate further because they sure as hell aren't going to isolate unless they physically cannot move

And whoever is taking care of them will get sick and spread it, because it's unlikely that they'd use contact less delivery options
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hockeybub89
12/18/21 12:10:55 PM
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wackyteen posted...
encouraging it to mutate further because they sure as hell aren't going to isolate unless they physically cannot move
I wouldn't be surprised if we see people get sick more, even not counting COVID. The general public has decided to no longer pretend to give a fuck. They are untethered from petty morality and social niceties.

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Gobstoppers12
12/18/21 12:12:12 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Or we can fucking force them to get vaccinated. Enforce a strict ban on being in public until they concede.
Bruh?

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Number090684
12/18/21 12:14:17 PM
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We can't have unvaccined people refused medical treatment because then we'd have even more people dying in the streets than just the homeless and that's not how a humane democracy should work. I hate antivaxers who make up bullshit reasons not to get vaccinated but we can't literally force them against their will to do it.
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Crescente
12/18/21 12:20:29 PM
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Why not just shoot them off into space? They don't care about anyone else and killing people.
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KiwiTerraRizing
12/18/21 12:22:45 PM
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Number090684 posted...
We can't have unvaccined people refused medical treatment because then we'd have even more people dying in the streets than just the homeless and that's not how a humane democracy should work. I hate antivaxers who make up bullshit reasons not to get vaccinated but we can't literally force them against their will to do it.

Not forcing anyone, just putting in place consequences

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hockeybub89
12/18/21 12:25:18 PM
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Number090684 posted...
We can't have unvaccined people refused medical treatment because then we'd have even more people dying in the streets than just the homeless and that's not how a humane democracy should work. I hate antivaxers who make up bullshit reasons not to get vaccinated but we can't literally force them against their will to do it.
We directly or indirectly force citizens to do things every day and have for our entire existence. Children are literally forced to vaccinated all the time.

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Quicksilver
12/18/21 12:25:25 PM
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Don't worry soon hospitals will be over flowing and we literally won't be able to treat them.

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hockeybub89
12/18/21 12:26:41 PM
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Quicksilver posted...
Don't worry soon hospitals will be over flowing and we literally won't be able to treat them.
And Fox News will be screaming about how Fauci's hospitals are instituting death panels.

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Ving_Rhames
12/18/21 12:26:48 PM
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Let them treat themselves, they clearly know better than medical professionals.

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CyricZ
12/18/21 12:28:47 PM
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I would suggest to TC that this decision not be made by anyone outside of the healthcare community,

Because the community won't.

Because that's not what they're for.

Anyway, the OSHA mandate is on the right track for what I feel needs to be done. If people don't want to be vaccinated, fine. They just don't get to participate in society. Other people don't have to accommodate them for not caring if they're virulent or at risk of contracting the virus.

I'm against people being held down and forcibly injected. I'm FOR people being excluded because of their own negligence and arrogance.

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hockeybub89
12/18/21 12:29:04 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Bruh?
People don't know what's good for them and we need to protect the public from those who intend to do them harm. We have never had a right to spread disease to each other, no matter how hard people try to politicize common sense and science.

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Gobstoppers12
12/18/21 12:33:38 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
People don't know what's good for them
Bruh?

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wackyteen
12/18/21 12:34:35 PM
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Crescente posted...
Why not just shoot them off into space? They don't care about anyone else and killing people.
That's murder and generally frowned upon

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hockeybub89
12/18/21 12:35:08 PM
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Allowing people to spread disease unimpeded is no different than allowing people to commit random acts of violence or piss in strangers' mouths. You don't have that "freedom" and never will, regardless of whether or not bad actors want to politicize it right now. There is no logical consistency to ignoring this specific public health issue.

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Gobstoppers12
12/18/21 12:36:48 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Allowing people to spread disease unimpeded is no different than allowing people to commit random acts of violence or piss in strangers' mouths
B R U H ?

I think you might need to gather your thoughts and start this discussion again, because...lol

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Lairen
12/18/21 12:36:54 PM
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Theres been drunk drivers wrecking into innocent people since the dawn of cars but weve always treated them.

Its weird how this is the cut off.

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__aCEr__
12/18/21 12:40:17 PM
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Get the shot or go live in the mountains. Discovery Channel would probably make a show about that.

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hockeybub89
12/18/21 12:41:06 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
B R U H ?

I think you might need to gather your thoughts and start this discussion again, because...lol
What seems to be the problem. I'm saying we've never had the freedom to spread disease and inflict bodily harm, regardless of how politicized that has become in the last 2 years. How long until freedom fighters tell us they have a right to swing their body parts wherever they want and that you can stay home or duck if you don't want to catch hands?

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MrFingers07
12/18/21 12:53:19 PM
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I'm still taking all the proper precautions by vaccinating, wearing kn95 masks and social distancing but honestly at this point it's futile. Even if you manage to vaccinate everyone on the planet the virus will still thrive and still mutate. Even if we slow the spread in humans, there's still way too many animals that are infected and can possibly spread a mutated version of the virus still. I'll still recommend the vaccine to at least minimize the chances of the virus killing you or infecting long term damage but we're not going to stop the pandemic anytime soon.

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Unsugarized_Foo
12/18/21 12:58:23 PM
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Fuck Africa as usual, I guess

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ScazarMeltex
12/18/21 12:58:47 PM
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Number090684 posted...
We can't have unvaccined people refused medical treatment because then we'd have even more people dying in the streets than just the homeless and that's not how a humane democracy should work. I hate antivaxers who make up bullshit reasons not to get vaccinated but we can't literally force them against their will to do it.
Why should an unvaccinated person be allowed to take up a hospital bed from a person who is vaccinated but needs treatment for something else? If your ICU is full of unvaccinated COVID patients and you or someone you love get in a car accident, have a heart attack, stroke, get shot or stabbed, or anything necessitating an ICU bed, tough shit, you/they probably die. Which is bullshit.

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Solid Sonic
12/18/21 12:59:55 PM
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Maybe I should just stay home and try to fight through COVID on my own. No sense in wasting the time of the medical industry.

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Trumble
12/18/21 1:05:07 PM
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Short of some new vaccine that's far better than the current ones, nothing is going to stop it at this point. That ship has long since sailed - early-mid 2020 was the last time there was any possibility of that. This virus is going to be around probably forever. There's precedent in other human coronaviruses, and HCoV-OC43 in particular is an interesting one to compare to, that have become endemic, to suggest that over time, it will become mostly harmless, but that's going to be at least 5-10 years away at best, possibly longer.

In the meantime? Don't panic over something you can't control anyway; get vaccinated so that you've got a better chance if you get sick as well as a lower risk of contracting or spreading it; acknowledge that's not a zero risk so wear your mask when it's sensible to do so... but I'd say it's about time to get on with life beyond that.

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Flannel_Ninja
12/18/21 1:05:59 PM
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I agree with this wholly. I respect a person's choice when it comes to making medical decisions with their own body, but there needs to some give and take here. If you still choose not to get vaccinated, then why do you feel you're also entitled to emergency care that you 1.) can't afford, and 2.) puts further strain and exposure on medical staff?

If you're living in the U.S., the hospital systems of many states are already on the verge of collapse, and our country has dealt with existing doctor shortages for decades. What capabilities our country has to combat this pandemic needs to be reserved for people who have any actual chance of survival. If you're not taking a vaccine or observing any basic precautions like masking, then you're high risk for reinfection and eventually death. Nobody should risk their lives trying to save you.

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hockeybub89
12/18/21 1:10:15 PM
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They have to be treated, but it is odd to go to the hospital after saying you know better than the doctors.

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Prismsblade
12/18/21 1:25:36 PM
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If TC knew the morality rate of covid they would know why this wouldn't work. Or even matter for the most part. But then again I'm starting to think most others don't either.......

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wackyteen
12/18/21 2:49:25 PM
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Prismsblade posted...
If TC knew the morality rate of covid they would know why this wouldn't work. Or even matter for the most part. But then again I'm starting to think most others don't either.......
Didn't know there was a moral rate for covid

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Panthera
12/18/21 2:56:21 PM
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We should just kill all the unvaccinated people. Then kill all the vaccinated people too for good measure. Should guarantee no more deaths from covid pretty quick.

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sktgamer_13dude
12/18/21 2:59:28 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Bruh?

Shut the fuck up.

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sktgamer_13dude
12/18/21 3:00:39 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

<u>B R U H ?</u>

I think you might need to gather your thoughts and start this discussion again, because...lol

Yes, we know you dont think the pandemic is real.

Go push your totally asking questions BS nonsense somewhere else. Everyone knows your schtick.

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Vultis_Zales
12/18/21 3:08:37 PM
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As someone who is immune suppressed i can straight up tell you i was happy to get vaccinated after all its easier to get the vaccine than to get another transplant

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shiby with it
12/18/21 3:13:26 PM
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Fascist

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R_Jackal
12/18/21 3:15:22 PM
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Not treating the unvaccinated leads to more mutations(see the current scientific theory behind Omicron likely evolving in a sole immunocompromised person). So... this is actually the worst option for us.
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Phantom36
12/18/21 3:15:43 PM
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There is no way to "stop the pandemic."

Covid is here forever. Either get vaxed or don't, either stay home or don't, at this point everything is at each individual's own risk. I 99% agree with the Colorado governor's take on it.

Let's move onto the next chapter of humanity already.

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Gobstoppers12
12/18/21 3:18:59 PM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
Yes, we know you dont think the pandemic is real.
Why are you saying shit I didn't say?

The pandemic is real. Covid has a reasonable likelihood of causing death or other long-term, severely damaging consequences. I am vaccinated and I have gotten my booster, and I encourage everybody I know to do the same.

My hangup is this whole notion of tying people down and forcing them to get vaccinated. Some of the rhetoric being thrown around is pretty strongly dictatorial.

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tony1221
12/18/21 3:22:22 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Or we can fucking force them to get vaccinated. Enforce a strict ban on being in public until they concede.

You can't refuse them and that still doesn't fix the problem of the unvaccinated allowing the virus to live.
You can't and shouldn't force anybody to do anything. This country was supposedly founded on "freedom"
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Perascamin
12/18/21 3:25:00 PM
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It's crazy how both the left and the right support fascism so long as it suits their agenda

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R_Jackal
12/18/21 3:32:22 PM
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Perascamin posted...
It's crazy how both the left and the right support fascism so long as it suits their agenda
Welcome to the internet era. Anyone that doesn't support your viewpoint may as well be sentenced to death.(Note: Joking.)
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Strider102
12/18/21 3:39:22 PM
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Just charge them as bioterrorists knowingly and willingly spreading a pathogen which also leads to mutations leading to more people getting infected.

1 year in prison maximum

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Gobstoppers12
12/18/21 3:41:37 PM
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Strider102 posted...
Just charge them as bioterrorists
See, I know you're joking, but some people actually feel this way about it.

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R_Jackal
12/18/21 3:41:54 PM
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Strider102 posted...
Just charge them as bioterrorists knowingly and willingly spreading a pathogen which also leads to mutations leading to more people getting infected.

1 year in prison maximum
This also sounds good until you realize that this basically turns prisons into a plague villages, and when/if they get it we will likely be exposed to something much worse realistically.
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hockeybub89
12/18/21 3:44:55 PM
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tony1221 posted...
You can't and shouldn't force anybody to do anything. This country was supposedly founded on "freedom"
You have never had the freedom to hurt people. You've always been "forced" to not assault people, for example.

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hockeybub89
12/18/21 3:46:50 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Why are you saying shit I didn't say?

The pandemic is real. Covid has a reasonable likelihood of causing death or other long-term, severely damaging consequences. I am vaccinated and I have gotten my booster, and I encourage everybody I know to do the same.

My hangup is this whole notion of tying people down and forcing them to get vaccinated. Some of the rhetoric being thrown around is pretty strongly dictatorial.
What are your opinions on how the government forces children to get vaccinated and forces people to not deliberately injure innocents?

Maybe we should abolish the concepts of government and law. Just too much of a slippery slope towards totalitarianism when you allow rules to exist.

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Bleuets
12/18/21 3:54:23 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
You have never had the freedom to hurt people. You've always been "forced" to not assault people, for example.

Yeah well hockeybub, me walking around buying groceries for my family isn't quite the same thing as going around assaulting people... Sorry not sorry
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