Current Events > Mercedes beats Tesla to become first level 3 self driving cert

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https://gizmodo.com/mercedes-beats-tesla-to-hands-free-driving-1848197046

...the approval would designate the Mercedez system as capable of Level 3 autonomy which, among other things, means drivers can use the system without keeping their hands on the wheels. Thats significantly different from Teslas more well-known Level 2 systems which still require hands on the steering wheel and the drivers eyes looking towards the road (though theres no shortage of drivers playing it loose with these guidelines already).

Cant wait till all cars are like this so we can take the wheel out of the hands of terrible drivers

I find the idea of being in a self driving car, terrifying.

Man where's my old post saying that Benz, Porsche, Audi, etc. would beat Tesla to actual self driving AND still make cars with good quality control? Musk better transition to building impractical submarines.

Tesla's system wasn't even totally approved for its current use case by their original partner Mobile Eye(https://electrek.co/2016/09/15/tesla-vision-mobileye-tesla-autopilot/), and they fell out so Tesla made their own janky system. Now to disappear before the resident Tesla goon shows up.

MarveI posted...

I find the idea of being in a self driving car, terrifying.

I don't. As someone who drives for their job, I'd love to take naps during those long drives from one stop to another. I could even read more books with that kind of time

MarveI posted...

I find the idea of being in a self driving car, terrifying.

I got my Camaro totaled while parked on the side of the road by some idiot who doesnt know how to drive

Literally used to make yo momma jokes about this as a kid

Bring on the robot cars

Nice

Hopefully other automakers can catch up

KobeSystem posted...

I got my Camaro totaled while parked on the side of the road by some idiot who doesnt know how to drive

Literally used to make yo momma jokes about this as a kid

Bring on the robot cars

What if it drives you off a bridge? What if a hacker got in to teslas system and made hundreds of people crash? What if it hits a kid, and you have to live with that guilt the rest of your life?

MarveI posted...

What if it drives you off a bridge? What if a hacker got in to teslas system and made hundreds of people crash? What if it hits a kid, and you have to live with that guilt the rest of your life?

Mass self driving cars won't be made by Tesla, but by reputable companies who focus on safety. Tesla still can't even make that many cars.

MICHALECOLE posted...

Cant wait till all cars are like this so we can take the wheel out of the hands of terrible drivers

I will always trust the experienced human over the alternative

OpWarpSpeed posted...

I will always trust the experienced human over the alternative

Thats silly. Humans are trash and text while driving and eat while driving and swerve in and out of traffic to save two seconds and tailgate because they think youre not going fast enough and stop and stare at an accident causing massive amounts of traffic

MICHALECOLE posted...

Thats silly. Humans are trash and text while driving and eat while driving and swerve in and out of traffic to save two seconds and tailgate because they think youre not going fast enough and stop and stare at an accident causing massive amounts of traffic

You're describing me behind the wheel. I still trust myself over automation.

MICHALECOLE posted...

Thats silly. Humans are trash and text while driving and eat while driving and swerve in and out of traffic to save two seconds and tailgate because they think youre not going fast enough and stop and stare at an accident causing massive amounts of traffic

Don't forget how there's always an idiot stopped between the freeway and the exit, signaling to get back onto the freeway.

I look forward to self driving cars becoming the norm.

"to be used on parts of Germanys Autobahn network at a max speed of 37 miles per hour."

The last attention seeking whimper from a dead company. This is a worthless mapped gimmick, not AI. I hate Elon too, but don't fall for pogo clickbait.

Jake from State Farm wont have a job in 10 years

And here's Tesla's paid shill.

Krojen posted...

"to be used on parts of Germanys Autobahn network at a max speed of 37 miles per hour."

The last attention seeking whimper from a dead company. This is a worthless mapped gimmick, not AI. I hate Elon too, but don't fall for pogo clickbait.

And Tesla can't even get certified to do that. So what does that say to you?

OpWarpSpeed posted...

You're describing me behind the wheel. I still trust myself over automation.

Lmao

yeah it makes sense somebody who drives like you wouldnt be too smart

Crazyman93 posted...

And here's Tesla's paid shill.

TC makes 100s of these topics and I posted a quote from his article for context.

Now you're taking offense to the reality of this feat by Mercedes. The shilling isn't from me. I can hate Elon without choking down boomer auto clickbait.

Krojen posted...

TC makes 100s of these topics and I posted a quote from his article for context.

Now you're taking offense to the reality of this feat by Mercedes. The shilling isn't from me. I can hate Elon without choking down boomer auto clickbait.

Yeah, they have limited mapped auto drive where you don't need to pay attention. Still the most advanced tech for it. And for all your statements about hating Elon Musk, all you seem to do is show up in these topics to slurp Tesla.

pogo_rabid posted...

And Tesla can't even get certified to do that. So what does that say to you?

It says that applying to be certified for these meaningless levels of autonomy is a waste of time and only done by a company starved for headlines.

Tesla doesn't care about certification to drive only 30 mph on tiny mapped strip of road. If Tesla did, you'd be rightfully crying about it being a gimmick.

Crazyman93 posted...

Yeah, they have limited mapped auto drive where you don't need to pay attention. Still the most advanced tech for it. And for all your statements about hating Elon Musk, all you seem to do is show up in these topics to slurp Tesla.

There's nothing advanced about reinventing rails. You're falling into Elon fanboy logic.

Look in any topic about Elon and I'm shitting on him. I just don't need to slurp legacy auto or not understand Tesla's position to hate him.

None of them are anywhere close to being truly road ready. Their ability to operate in ideal conditions does not give me confidence that you could take one down a poorly maintained road, or in heavy rain, or when snow is partially obscuring a sensor, or when there's glare from weird angles there are just too many conditions that you can expect in regular operations that these autonomy systems are just in no way ready for. And that doesn't even get into how badly performance drops if a single sensor starts malfunctioning as the cars get older.

Krojen posted...

TC makes 100s of these topics

Please post your screenshots of my hundreds of topics, or use an webpage archive site to show these topics, i'd love to see who's going on my account and making them.

Failing that, i'm not sure why you're trying to "discredit" me in some sort of way outside as running some sort of defense of a car company. Please help me to understand why you would do this. Do you own a lot of tesla stock or something?

I cant wait for the day where these self driving cars all run into people and other cars due to a loss of connection to the server, they are hacked, or they just do not work right.

RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

I cant wait for the day where these self driving cars all run into people and other cars due to a loss of connection to the server, they are hacked, or they just do not work right.

How is that any different than what happens in Alabama/Mississippi/Florida/Georgia at least once per winter

pogo_rabid posted...

And Tesla can't even get certified to do that. So what does that say to you?

Why would they try to get certified for that limited scenario?

s0nicfan posted...

None of them are anywhere close to being truly road ready. Their ability to operate in ideal conditions does not give me confidence that you could take one down a poorly maintained road, or in heavy rain, or when snow is partially obscuring a sensor, or when there's glare from weird angles there are just too many conditions that you can expect in regular operations that these autonomy systems are just in no way ready for. And that doesn't even get into how badly performance drops if a single sensor starts malfunctioning as the cars get older.

Agreed, this is where I'm at.

Mapping a handful of tiny specific sections of road and relying on it to be kept pristine with a ton of crappy LiDAR sensors is a gimmicky dead end. Legacy automakers aren't tech/AI companies so they're forced to pretend they're working on self driving.

Mercedes panic mapped a road to drive 30mph on because Giga Berlin just opened in their backyard sucking up all the talent. We're not anywhere close to something I'd trust.

Tesla and Apple are the only ones even trying to solve this by going pure vision based AI. No gimmicks, no bs sensors and mapped rails. But I don't see it being solved for a very long time.

why does everyone always act like people won't adapt to new technology.

"oh my god i'm so scared of self driving cars" is equivalent to people being afraid of riding a motorized vehicle when they were first invented. "give people control of wheels? well they'll just drive themselves off of a bridge!"

bring on the automation, as soon as possible, please.

pogo_rabid posted...

Please post your screenshots of my hundreds of topics, or use an webpage archive site to show these topics, i'd love to see who's going on my account and making them.

Failing that, i'm not sure why you're trying to "discredit" me in some sort of way outside as running some sort of defense of a car company. Please help me to understand why you would do this. Do you own a lot of tesla stock or something?

You best start believin' in "legacy automaker destroys Tesla" tabloid pogo topics. You're in one.

All this clickbaity misinformation funnels rightful Elon hate into love for legacy companies that for decades destroyed the planet, US infrastructure, and lead poisoned entire generations. With all the valid reasons to hate Tesla, the constant basis being some flimsy lie propping up a stale legacy automaker is annoying.

I do own Tesla stock. I bought it for $30 a share in 2019 while you guys laughed and said Tesla would go bankrupt because of panel gaps and CNBC said so. I understood the position of power Tesla was building for a decade in spite of my hatred for Elon.

Honda beat Mercedes
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35729591/honda-legend-level-3-autonomy-leases-japan/

The dude that shorted Tesla stock is laughing his ass off

In Super Mario Kart the computer could drive itself through the map. Nintendo could destroy Tesla and Mercedes.

OpWarpSpeed posted...

I will always trust the experienced human over the alternative

The problem is that most human drivers suck more ass nowadays thanks to smartphones.
They are more distracted than ever before and I honestly believer self driven cars will be the safer alternative.