Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic Part 508: The Era of Honor Ends

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so what's going on with all these roster cuts anyway

Tom Bombadil posted...

so what's going on with all these roster cuts anyway

The running theories are either that WWE is trimming expenses to make it look better to sell to someone, or that these specific ones are a power play from someone against Triple H, or both.

it's starting to feel like a TEW file where HHH divorces Steph

What if the Dream signing Khan has been hyping is actually Triple H

Wrestlecrap voting is up for ****er of the Year (think gimmick turkey for asterisks). Nominees are...

Alexa, Lily, and the Fiend
Becky vs Bianca at Summerslam
Babyface Cody Rhodes
NXT 2.0
WWE promotes movies with zombies and eggs
The Queen's Crown tournament
The (Non) Exploding Barbed Wire Death match
Ethan Page vs Karate Man
Toni Storm: Pie Today, Gone Tomorrow
WWE Firings during record profits

It's a close race between NXT and the firings

I feel like the spirit of the award is to vote for the shittiest things that happen ON screen

My top 3

1.) Alexa/Lilly/Fiend
2.) Exploding ring
3.) WWE movie tie-ins

Agreed 100% and I voted for Alexa. A good number of nominees get inducted with articles later anyway, if anything.

****er Winners Since 2000
WCW Champion David Arquette
The InVasion angle
Katie Vick
Al Wilson
2004 Diva Search
JR's Sad Saga in late 2005
Exploitation of Eddie Guerrero
Vince's son Hornswoggle
Mike Adamle
Chavo vs Hornswoggle
Raw vs Impact on Monday Nights in 2010
All things Michael Cole
The Claire Lynch angle in TNA
Heel Dixie Carter in 2013
Bella vs Bella
Vince's Brass Rings comment (tied with Bellas)
Dolph/Lana/Rusev/Summer love angle
Wrestlemania 32
WWE Champion Jinder Mahal
Crown Jewel 2018
Rollins vs The Fiend in Hell in a Cell
Retribution

I feel like I'd have to go non-exploding ring. For as shitty as Alexa/Fiend was, they atleast kept trying to make it work. I kinda hate how they tried to salvage the exploding ring by trying to spin it like it was intentional. Sometimes you have shitty ideas, but I respect atleast owning a shitty idea over trying to run from it in an equally shitty fashion.

StealThisSheen posted...

I feel like I'd have to go non-exploding ring. For as shitty as Alexa/Fiend was, they atleast kept trying to make it work. I kinda hate how they tried to salvage the exploding ring by trying to spin it like it was intentional. Sometimes you have shitty ideas, but I respect atleast owning a shitty idea over trying to run from it in an equally shitty fashion.

but one was intentional, and people sat in the back and thought "this will be good". i don't see how they're even comparable

Steiner posted...

but one was intentional, and people sat in the back and thought "this will be good". i don't see how they're even comparable

Well, like said, shitty ideas are shitty ideas. It's just a difference of opinion. I can see why some would think WWE actually sticking with Alexa/Fiend is worse. To me, AEW's "well ackshually" into a barely less shitty idea squeaks by it, since they honestly could have just sold it straight for like a week and then moved on and people would have forgotten on their own. Like, to me, having a shitty idea and trying 100% to make it work is bad, but having a shitty idea, selling it 100% while only actually putting like 10% actual effort into it, and then immediately changing course and going "We meant for it to be shitty tho honest" is worse.

Basically, I'll laugh at somebody who swings for the fences and strikes out, sure, but I respect it more than somebody who swings for the fences, hits the ball three feet, and then says "Well I actually was bunting."

I mean they did the best they could with it. I personally would have just ignored it and moved on but I guess they felt it was super important that Kenny Omega pantomime 69ing in a ring.

There's also the fact that the design of it was so unearthly awful that there was no way it could have created a believable shot.

But this is a G***er award and I feel Crispy Fiend and Alexa by proxy takes the cake.

i thought toni took the cake

I think the fact that everyone rebounded after the exploding ring pretty nicely makes it not the winner

Like Eddie is probably the second most over face on the roster right now

This is how it's looking right now

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/2/9/AAAjMoAACyOt.jpg

NXT 2.0 got it in the bag, though again, most of these will probably get inductions in 2022 anyway.

LiquidOshawott posted...

I think the fact that everyone rebounded after the exploding ring pretty nicely makes it not the winner

Like Eddie is probably the second most over face on the roster right now

Undertaker rebounded pretty nicely after he floated to heaven after a casket match, it still probably wins 1994

And at the moment, the first set of awards from 411's writers (now with 100% less Watry opinions)

Biggest Disappointment
1) WWE mass releases
2) RoH hiatus
3) NXT 2.0
4) NXT stars booking treatment on main roster
5) Becky vs Bianca at Summerslam

Best Non Wrestler
1) Paul Heyman
2) Taz
3) Pat McAfee
4) MVP
5) Tony Schiavone

Best Tag Team
1) The Lucha Bros
2) FTR
3) Young Bucks
4) Usos
5) RK-Bro and Briscoes (tie)

Worst Major Show
1) Wrestlemania Backlash
2) Extreme Rules
3) Survivor Series
4) Revolution
5) Fastlane
(The editors mostly acknowledged this year's voting was tough as there wasn't any genuinely horrible shows in their opinion)

Best Major Show
1) All Out
2) Full Gear
3) Wrestlemania 37
4) Double or Nothing
5) Takeover: Vengeance Day

Best Weekly Show
1) Dynamite
2) NXT
3) SmackDown
4) Rampage
5) NXT UK

Weekly Show was the first genuine blowout, as Dynamite was voted #1 by 8 out of 9 writers (NXT UK being the other #1 vote)

ZeroSignal620 posted...

Biggest Disappointment
1) WWE mass releases

yeah i have nothing in common with people at 411 lol

I mean it might be cool for us in the long run but it kinda sucks for the release-ees

Tom Bombadil posted...

I mean it might be cool for us in the long run but it kinda sucks for the release-ees

which would make sense if the voters were released talent

NXT 2.0 the third biggest disappointment, but NXT still the second best weekly show?

Those last 9 months of black and gold NXT must have been pretty great

What would you put above NXT, though?

Curious what would be people's most watched moments/clips/matches of the year.

I say this because I've probably watched the no music Jericho/MJF entrance about once a week since it happened, and the Adam Cole/Bryan Danielson debut just about as much.

Was Eddie Kingston's debut in 2021? Cause if so its that.

Maniac64 posted...

Was Eddie Kingston's debut in 2021? Cause if so its that.

No

Tom Bombadil posted...

What would you put above NXT, though?

NXT UK
Rampage
ROH
Maybe SD, its a toss up

Mega Mana posted...

Curious what would be people's most watched moments/clips/matches of the year.

just punk's debut over and over

I've watched very little wrestling in 2021.

Which leads me to a question I've probably already asked but forgotten, is there an easy way to catch up on AEW?

Jakyl25 posted...

Undertaker rebounded pretty nicely after he floated to heaven after a casket match, it still probably wins 1994

Fair enough, I guess theres also Katie Vick for a more famous example, but everyone involved in those storylines was more established than Eddie and Eddie had a face turn during the post match and they didnt really miss a beat afterwards. I would probably consider the firings (so long as we mention how they were booked beforehand, like Hit Row/Kross/Bearcat) or NXT 2.0 over it just because they have more consequences.

Also, Honestly between Taker/Kane you could probably fill wrestlecrap out with solid entrants, and yet they were pretty much immune because everyone was sold on the characters anyway. Feel like they were exempt from the many years of stupid booking they got

Mega Mana posted...

Curious what would be people's most watched moments/clips/matches of the year.

I say this because I've probably watched the no music Jericho/MJF entrance about once a week since it happened, and the Adam Cole/Bryan Danielson debut just about as much.

Moment is probably just the AEW Halloween Tag twist

StealThisSheen posted...

I've watched very little wrestling in 2021.

Which leads me to a question I've probably already asked but forgotten, is there an easy way to catch up on AEW?

Honestly no

The last few weeks (10?) of Dynamite/Rampage will be on the TNT app (maybe TBS app now for the most recent Dynamite).

After that they cycle to the B/R app which is a mess and in different states of disrepair based on platform

I sincerely hope some sort of AEW archive app is in the cards for 2022

you can use a VPN to appear outside of the US and then subscribe to AEW+ on Fite for $5 a month! <_<

LiquidOshawott posted...

Also, Honestly between Taker/Kane you could probably fill wrestlecrap out with solid entrants

And they definitely have! Just a simple search got the following inductions (excluding the archives because I'm not up for paying for that)...

Taker
Escape the Undertaker (Netflix)
Goldberg vs Undertaker
Face to Face with the Undertaker (book)
Ortons vs Undertaker feud
Undertaker vs IRS feud
Crush vs Undertaker (in the film Khiladiyon Ka Khiladi)
Undertaker vs DDP feud

Kane
Countdown (film featuring him and Dolph Ziggler)
Journey Into Darkness (book)
Pete Rose and Kane
The Kane, Lita, Matt Hardy, and Snitsky saga that lasted forever (Part 3 of this induction that features Kane vs Edge and Edge vs Matt Hardy was quietly removed a few years back)
Kane vs Edge feud in 2010
Kane vs Rey feud in 2008
The Kane, Ryder, Eve, and Cena angle in 2012
Kane vs Khali vs Henry vs Big Daddy V on ECW in 2007
Kane vs "Kane"
Katie Vick

Also, Crown Jewel 2018 got inducted with heavy emphasis on the main event

Saving from purge

WWE's new tag champ streak stays alive as of last Monday

2010 - DH Smith, Kidd, McIntyre, Otunga, Slater, Gabriel, Santino, Kozlov
2011 - Axel, Bourne
2012 - Epico, R Truth, Bryan
2013 - Reigns, Rollins
2014 - Usos, Sandow
2015 - Cesaro, Big E, Woods, Titus, Young
2016 - Rhyno, Wyatt, Harper, Jordan, Gable, Sheamus
2017 - Anderson, Gallows, Ambrose
2018 - Strowman, Nicholas, Bo Dallas, Akam, Rezar, Roode, Rowan
2019 - Shane McMahon, The Revival, Viking Raiders
2020 - Murphy, Street Profits, Cedric, Nakamura
2021 - Styles, Omos, Riddle, Dominic
2022 - Otis

Observer Hall of Fame inductees for 2021 were announced today. Four new inductees. Poor Mistico one vote short. Sin Cara botches again!

HALL OF FAME BALLOTING RESULTS

Votes needed for induction into the Hall of Fame: U.S. and Canada modern 275; U.S and Canada historical 173; Japan 178; Mexico 75; Rest of the World 110

PERFORMER VOTES PCT 2020
KAZUCHIKA OKADA 271 92% ----
LOS BRAZOS 107 86% 53%
JIM CROCKETT JR. 237 82% 36%
DON OWEN 176 61% 53%
Mistico/Caristico 74 59.7% 33%
Sgt. Slaughter 265 58% 53%
Rollerball Mark Rocco 106 58% 54%
Bobby Davis 160 56% ---
Kota Ibushi 160 54% 38%
Enrique Torres 149 52% 28%
Stanley Weston 135 47% 39%
Johnny Rougeau 134 47% 25%
Akira Taue 136 46% 39%
Larry Matysik 133 46% 46%
Los Hermanos Dinamita 57 46% ----
Ole Anderson ` 130 45% 37%
Johnny Saint 85 45% 52%
George Kidd 78 43% 31%
Rick & Scott Steiner 182 40% 35%
Sputnik Monroe 111 39% 43%
Morris Sigel 111 39% 19%
Big Daddy 72 39% 35%
Tomohiro Ishii 114 38% 39%
Tetsuya Naito 113 38% 38%
Ted Turner 171 37% 42%
Dominic DeNucci 65 36% 31%
Paul Orndorff 161 35% ----
Jackie Pallo 62 34% 32%
C.M. Punk 152 33% 15%
Jim Johnston 151 33% 36%
Sangre Chicana 41 33% 14%
June Byers 92 32% 18%
Junkyard Dog 148 32% 29%
Edge 146 32% 44%
Huracan Ramirez 40 32% 27%
Johnny Wrestling II Walker 90 31% 27%
Mike Tenay 144 31% 30%
Dorrell Dixon 36 29% ----
Grand Wizard 83 29% 34%
Cowboy Bob Ellis 80 28% 19%
Tully Blanchard & Arn Anderson w/Dillon 130 28% 42%
Billy Joyce 52 28% 11%
Randy Orton 125 27% 34%
Reggie Parks 121 26% ----
Tony Schiavone 121 26% 19%
Bobby Bruns 77 26% 22%
La Parka AAA 31 25% ----
Matt & Jeff Hardy 112 24% 24%
Bob Caudle 70 24%` 17%
Pirata Morgan 30 24% 20%
Hayabusa 68 23% 31%
Cima 67 23% 27%
Yoshiaki Fujiwara 67 23% 21%
Octagon 28 23% ----
Bob Armstrong 61 21% 29%
Rocky Johnson 57 20% 28%
Jose Tarres 35 19% ----
Ricki Starr 34 19% 20%
Bill Goldberg 83 18% 28%
George Scott 55 19% 24%
Joe Higuchi 54 18% 20%
Rito Romero 22 18% 17%
Adrian Street 33 18% 19%
Otto Wanz 32 18% 22%
Dave Brown 80 17% 36%
Wild Bull Curry 49 17% 15%
Jerry Brisco 46 16% 18%
Pampero Firpo 46 16% 17%
Meiko Satomura 46 16% 33%
Spyros Arion 29 16% 27%
Blackjack Mulligan 44 15% 10%
Black Gordman & Great Goliath 41 14% 13%
Von Brauners w/Weingeroff 41 14% 15%
Lord James Blears 38 13% 13%
Archie Mongolian Stomper Gouldie 37 13% 15%
Kendo Nagasaki 23 13% 19%
LAnge Blanc 22 12% ----
Killer Karl Kox 22 12% 17%
Trish Stratus 50 11% 10%
Bill Dundee 49 11% ----
Naomichi Marufuji 32 11% ----
Satoshi Kojima & Hiroyoshi Tenzan 31 10% 15%

Less than 10% of all votes from a region and dropped from next years ballot: Hollywood Blonds (Buddy Roberts & Jerry Brown w/Sir Oliver Humperdink), Buddy Colt, Fabulous Ones (Stan Lane & Steve Keirn), Nikki Bella, Charlotte Flair, Kamala, Rick Martel, Jon Moxley, Seth Rollins, Ultimate Warrior, Kyoko Inoue, Katsuyori Shibata, Takashi Sugiura, Psycho Clown, John DaSilva, Roger Delaporte & Andre Bollet, Takaaki Kidani, Stephanie McMahon

Dropped from next years ballot due to the 15 year/50 percent rule: Johnny Mr. Wrestling II Walker

Will be dropped next year if not getting at least 50 percent: Sgt. Slaughter, Enrique Torres, Rocky Johnson

Added to next years ballot: Argentina Rocca & Miguel Perez, Ricky Steamboat & Jay Youngblood, Akira Taue & Toshiaki Kawada, Jack & Jerry Brisco, Roman Reigns, Becky Lynch, Roy Welch, Shingo Takagi, Rossy Ogawa

only 92% for Okada? the fuck?

DoomTheGyarados posted...

only 92% for Okada? the fuck?

The craziest thing is hes the third highest ever, behind Kenta Kobashi at 98% and Jushin Liger at 95%

Makes the baseball crew seem lenient.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

only 92% for Okada? the fuck?

Steve Yohe didn't vote for him because "he might pull a Benoit one day, we don't know."

I'm not making this up. People will come up with any justification.

NBIceman posted...

Steve Yohe didn't vote for him because "he might pull a Benoit one day, we don't know."

I'm not making this up. People will come up with any justification.

Fucking... what.

LiquidOshawott posted...

The craziest thing is hes the third highest ever, behind Kenta Kobashi at 98% and Jushin Liger at 95%

Makes the baseball crew seem lenient.

In case anyone gets REALLY confused, voting only started in 98

When Dave started the HoF in 96 he just personally inducted everyone he felt should be in by that point, and then in 97 picked up some stragglers people reminded him of that he forgot

Why is Charlotte Flair even on there already?

For some more context, here are the top ten vote getters for each category of voter

HISTORIANS
1. Kazuchika Okada
2. Los Brazos
3. George Kidd
4. Enrique Torres
5. Jim Crockett Jr.
6. Don Owen
7. Bobby Davis
8. Rollerball Mark Rocco
9. Los Hermanos Dinamita
10. Sgt. Slaughter

REPORTERS
1. Kazuchika Okada
2. Los Brazos
3. Jim Crockett Jr.
4. Don Owen
5. Mistico/Caristico
6. Big Daddy
7. Kota Ibushi
8. Sgt. Slaughter
9. Stanley Weston
10. Bobby Davis

ACTIVE WRESTLERS/INDUSTRY PROFESSIONALS
1. Kazuchika Okada
2. Los Brazos
3. Johnny Saint
4. Mistico/Caristico
5. Ole Anderson
6. Huracan Ramirez
7. Rollerball Mark Rocco
8. Jim Crockett Jr.
9. Don Owen
10. Cima

RETIRED WRESTLERS/INDUSTRY PROFESSIONALS
1. Kazuchika Okada
2. James Melby
3. Don Owen
4. Bobby Davis
5. Edge
6. Kota Ibushi
7. Randy Orton
8. Los Brazos
Los Hermanos Dinamita
10. Jim Crockett Jr.

Oh ok, context makes a lot more sense now than when I looked it up out of curiosity's sake.

Still, there has to be some other really big names that should be at 100%

Maniac64 posted...

Why is Charlotte Flair even on there already?

She reached the eligibility threshold of being 35 years old and being an active wrestler in 10 different years

People who fall off can always be put back on the ballot later if theres a push for it, see Orndorff this year

VeryInsane posted...

Oh ok, context makes a lot more sense now than when I looked it up out of curiosity's sake.

Still, there has to be some other really big names that should be at 100%

The top vote getters by percentage of all time:

Kenta Kobashi. 98%. 2002
Jushin Liger. 95%. 1999
Kazuchika Okada. 92%. 2021
The Rock. 86%. 2007
Kazushi Sakuraba. 86%. 2004
Los Brazos. 86%. 2021
Jim Crockett Jr. 82%. 2021
Bryan Danielson. 80%. 2016
Mick McManus. 78%. 2012
Shinya Hashimoto. 78%. 2000
Manami Toyota. 78%. 2002
Steve Austin. 77%. 2000
Brock Lesnar. 76%. 2015
Rey Mysterio. 75%. 2010

imagine sitting there with your wrestling observer newsletter in the year 2000 penning your vote which explains why steve austin is not a hall of famer

Dave at the time scolding the voters

If anything, Austin, in his first year eligible, is only shocking because he didn't draw the highest percentage of those making it since he figured to be the strongest candidate not only on the ballot, but the strongest candidate since we started doing balloting. If anything, it was a surprise that Austin's percentage didn't challenge the record 95% put on the board last year by Jushin Liger, but apparently the longevity at the top factor worked against him, because more than any other wrestler, Austin is the one who was the key in the WWF's turnaround in three years from being a company losing millions every year, to a company that is more profitable in one year than perhaps any other wrestling company has been in its entire history. No wrestler in history ever sold merchandise like Austin or drew the money he did, and even if he wasn't a strong performer in the ring, a category he doesn't fit into at all, those are credentials pretty hard to argue with.

Jakyl25 posted...

Kenta Kobashi. 98%. 2002
Jushin Liger. 95%. 1999
Kazuchika Okada. 92%. 2021
The Rock. 86%. 2007
Kazushi Sakuraba. 86%. 2004
Los Brazos. 86%. 2021
Jim Crockett Jr. 82%. 2021
Bryan Danielson. 80%. 2016
Mick McManus. 78%. 2012
Shinya Hashimoto. 78%. 2000
Manami Toyota. 78%. 2002
Steve Austin. 77%. 2000
Brock Lesnar. 76%. 2015
Rey Mysterio. 75%. 2010

were all of these their first year on the ballot? and if so, what's the highest percentage of a non-first year?

No they are not all first timers. Los Brazos, Crockett Jr, Danielson, McManus, Hashimoto, Lesnar, and Rey on that list were not. So to answer your question, it was Los Brazos this year.

First Ballot HoFers
Kurt Angle
Medico Asesino
Steve Austin
Dos Caras
John Cena
Gedo
Akira Hokuto
Kenta Kobashi
Jushin Liger
Takashi Matsunaga
Shinsuke Nakamura
Manami Toyota
Kazuchika Okada
The Rock
Jim Ross
Kazushi Sakuraba

I hope you are all watching Peacemaker to see peak John Cena

Today is Roman Reigns' 504th day as the reigning Universal Champion, tying the run from Brock Lesnar in 2017-2018

Tomorrow, Reigns' run will be the longest world title reign under the WWE banner since Hogan's four year run in the 1980s

ZeroSignal620 posted...

Today is Roman Reigns' 504th day as the reigning Universal Champion, tying the run from Brock Lesnar in 2017-2018

Tomorrow, Reigns' run will be the longest world title reign under the WWE banner since Hogan's four year run in the 1980s

The most unbelievable thing about this is that I honestly can't think of anyone who should reasonably take it from him. That's how beaten down the roster is.