Board 8 > Did you like the Star Wars prequel trilogy more or the sequel trilogy?

(+) Yeah! (+)

4,5, and 8 are the only good ones.

So yeah, on the money.

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Paratroopa1 posted...

Palps carries the entirety of 3 on his back, that movie's terrible except for when he's on screen, when it becomes legitimately good

Having rewatched the Prequels not long ago, I would add that it's III and only III in which Ian McDiarmid/Palps is enjoyable. I and II, he's as boring as everyone else!

TLJ is probably the best movie of all of either trilogy, but I have some degree of nostalgia for the prequel stuff because I was a kid then, and I just dont have any emotional attachment to the sequel stuff

so the prequels, I guess

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Been saying this for years. Marcia Lucas wasn't on Episode 3 to reign George in and it shows because it's so bad. That stuff is great, but everything else about the movie is just butt. Episode 3 was a precursor to the PT, the DNA of what Lucas uncaged truly means is visible throughout it.

uh, do you mean 6?

6 is definitely a precursor to the PT. the terrible attempts at appealing to the very youngest viewers that plague the PT are already in 6 with the ewoks.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Been saying this for years. Marcia Lucas wasn't on Episode 3 to reign George in and it shows because it's so bad. That stuff is great, but everything else about the movie is just butt. Episode 3 was a precursor to the PT, the DNA of what Lucas uncaged truly means is visible throughout it.

uh?

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It's an open secret that his wife had a huge impact alongside other members of the production on reigning him in on some of his dumber ideas that have been revealed in the years since the OTs release. This reigning in isn't present for much of episode 3, the divorce being around that time.

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Oh woops yeah I mean 6 lol. Didn't notice that was what you had taken issue with.

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Episode 6 has more than just Palpatine going for it although he is a highlight of that movie too

Torlovsk posted...

Having rewatched the Prequels not long ago, I would add that it's III and only III in which Ian McDiarmid/Palps is enjoyable. I and II, he's as boring as everyone else!

Oh yeah that's also unfortunately pretty true, he doesn't play nearly a big enough role in those movies, the only good thing about it is that it's funny seeing him act so normal knowing what he's like in episode 3

my god though he is one of the best villains in film in episode 3, Ian McDiarmid's performance is legendary

Wow I can't believe I have to think twice here considering how much I loved TFA when it came out.

Even the Star Wars Holiday Special is better than the sequel trilogy.

ranagrande posted...

Even the Star Wars Holiday Special is better than the sequel trilogy.

have you actually seen the holiday special

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ranagrande posted...

Even the Star Wars Holiday Special is better than the sequel trilogy.

tell me you've never seen the Holiday Special without telling me you've never seen the Holiday Special

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I have seen the Holiday Special. Twice.

XIII_rocks posted...

Rise being not great made this a lot closer (before then it wasn't at all), but it's still a comfortable ST victory imo

Pretty much.

The PT is borderline unwatchable as far as filming making, and the memes are not enough to offset that.

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ST wasn't bad it's just cool to hate the new thing

PT is pretty bad though

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The ST is only cool to hate because fans of pre-Disney SW had their own ideas etched in mind for the franchise and hated how Disney yanked it all away from them. The only reason this is even remotely understandable is due to the franchise's Long Runner status, and even then these people act like the franchise is a total stranger to disappointment which completely flies in the face of its mainstream perception.

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I watched all of them for the first time in 2019 other than having seen 1 and 2 as a kid so I dont have any nostalgic biases. Rogue One is better than almost every SW movie imo

KamikazePotato posted...

I've said this before but Star Wars has got to be the worst popular franchise. Nine movies and people only legitimately like three of them.

This statement is wrong then and its wrong now!

For starters, there are much more than three Star Wars films that are liked. The people whining that most are bad are not representative. Go take a look at any actual metrics from critics and audiences - 3,4,5,6,7, and 8 all do quite well. All 80%+ on RT, positive on Metacritic, good IMDB ratings, all got at least an A- Cinemascore, and so on. And this is largely reflected in this topic. The only bad Star Wars films are 1, 2, and 9, that seems fairly uncontroversial. This also isnt accounting for Rogue One and Solo, both of which are well-liked

Second, even if we take a 33% hit rate as true (and it isnt), there are major franchises with worse hit rates. Pirates of the Caribbean has one good film out of five. Transformers has one good film out of six and under your rules it would not even count as its the spinoff. Twilight has one film that is entertaining out of five though Im not sure Id call it unambiguously good. Fifty Shades is a trilogy and theyre all terrible. Ice Age has one good film out of five. All of those are massive franchises and there are definitely more I didnt think of. Thats not even getting into formerly bad franchises that redeemed themselves later like The Fast and the Furious and Planet of the Apes.

So unless youre willing to say Star Wars is worse than Transformers, Fifty Shades, and Ice Age I think your take is writing cheques it cant cash!

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Lightning Strikes posted...

So unless youre willing to say Star Wars is worse than Transformers, Fifty Shades, and Ice Age

yes

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I don't think Transformers, Fifty Shades and Ice Age can even be considered in the same league as Star Wars. It's a bit of a goalpost move but, like, they're not in the popular consciousness to any valuable extent, they had no lasting impact power, and even at their peak I don't think most of their fans would even insist that they're particularly good or impactful series. Like, you're putting an animated kids' movie next to Star Wars. There's definitely a middle ground you could make meaningful comparisons to

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Also, lol at Fast and the Furious being a formerly bad series that got redeemed. Screw you dude, 1 and 3 are still top tier movies in that franchise.


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Fifty Shades is a step below in terms of size (and a different demographic) but it was still huge (I mainly included it as an example of a series making hundreds of millions per film despite none of them being good), but the other two are still billion or near billion dollar franchises. Transformers in particular is competing in a similar space and was probably bigger than Star Wars for a while. Its hard to say that Star Wars is the worst popular series when Transformers is its contemporary. I also think that its not that Star Wars is mostly disliked, but rather that its reach is such, along with its relevance to online communities, that those who are more likely to complain about a sci-fi series are both more present and have their voices amplified more than with other franchises. But most people like most of those films.

Edit: F&F 1 and 3 are okay. But theyre no 5-7.

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I am just gonna repeat myself that I enjoyed The Last Jedi. While it certainly wasn't anything revolutionary film-wise, it at least was willing to experiment with new ideas in response to the feedback from TFA, which fans didn't like because it felt too redundant of the prior movies.

In other words: Repeat yourself, get hated on. Try something different, get hated on. There's literally no "winning" situation. TLJ was a new approach to telling a similar story and I was entertained by it in the moment and was thinking about it for a while, honestly. RoS, while entertaining in the moment, had very little stick with me because of how rushed it was (by Disney, no less).

So the "nobody hates Star Wars more than Star Wars" mantra is very true. Why can't we just enjoy movies for what they are in the moment, unless they're utter fucking garbage? They're meant to entertain us while they last.
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Lightning Strikes posted...

Fifty Shades is a step below in terms of size (and a different demographic) but it was still huge (I mainly included it as an example of a series making hundreds of millions per film despite none of them being good), but the other two are still billion or near billion dollar franchises. Transformers in particular is competing in a similar space and was probably bigger than Star Wars for a while. Its hard to say that Star Wars is the worst popular series when Transformers is its contemporary. I also think that its not that Star Wars is mostly disliked, but rather that its reach is such, along with its relevance to online communities, that those who are more likely to complain about a sci-fi series are both more present and have their voices amplified more than with other franchises. But most people like most of those films.

Edit: F&F 1 and 3 are okay. But theyre no 5-7.

star wars is a billion or near a billion dollars per movie. I get that there's not much on its level, but you can make an allowance for how popular it is and scale perceptions a bit. And Transformers was nowhere near as popular as Star Wars, even in its prime and SW's nadir.

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Lightning Strikes posted...

The only bad Star Wars films are 1, 2, and 9, that seems fairly uncontroversial.

RotS is bad. i'll gladly die on this hill.

people overrate the hell out of that movie. just because it's much better than the first two prequels doesn't mean it's actually good.

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Oh thats what I was saying - Transformers 3 and 4 both made over a billion dollars. Both higher than any of the prequels (and the originals though really not due to inflation), and higher than Rise of Skywalker. Star Wars regained A LOT of its popularity due to the sequels, the prequels werent as big as the originals aside from The Phantom Menace. Transformers was a HUGE franchise, but 4 and 5 killed it. On which note it will be interesting to see how future Star Wars movies do after 9.

On Revenge of the Sith my stance remains that that is a film that works on an operatic, emotional level rather than a logical one. It is a film you feel rather than think about, and not just in terms of the spectacle but also the emotion of the film. That wont be everybodys bag, and it is definitely flawed. Still, it really works for me in that sense.

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I'm of the thought that TLJ created whiplash among fans of TFA due to being so different from it and that caused people who hate both movies to say "see! We told you so!", and that's without taking into account actual bigots who felt more emboldened than ever to pick on the ST (maybe because of it being the first SW movie to come out during Trump's presidency?).

The problem is that The Force Awakens is a string of action sequences with clear reverence for the original trilogy while The Last Jedi evokes scenes from the original trilogy with the specific purpose of turning them inside out. In other words, the latter film intentionally sets out to corrupt The Empire Strikes Back in a similar fashion to, say, Metroid Fusion for Super Metroid or Wind Waker for Ocarina of Time. So maybe TLJ would have worked better if it wasn't the EIGTH film in a franchise.

Also I think a big reason people didn't like how TFA was a seeming retread was because it undid the original trilogy, and TLJ just went even further with that.

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