Poll of the Day > "Men are meant to be expendable."

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UnMead
12/03/21 9:25:54 AM
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Judgmenl posted...
There is no fighting or going to war anymore.

there doesnt need to be

there are better ways

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Kyuubi4269
12/03/21 9:32:20 AM
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UnMead posted...


so more men need to evolve and stop behaving like cavemen, on that I agree with you

If you were remotely aware of how evolution works, you'd know all behaviours mutate, good and bad, and you need pressures to weed out what doesn't work in society. Cavemen disappear if they're not able to replicate, it's not a personal choice to be better.
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Fam_Fam
12/03/21 9:48:52 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
The least capable perform worst and thus are more often killed. It's one of the few ways in modern society to cull sub-par people.

this is suggesting that whether you die or survive in war is substantially impacted by individual fitness level, which I wholeheartedly disagree with. genetic/physical differences do not have a significant impact in terms of who dies/lives in modern warfare. If you get placed in a battlefield and get shot by a machine gun/blown up, you will die either way.
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LinkPizza
12/03/21 9:52:19 AM
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Fam_Fam posted...
this is suggesting that whether you die or survive in war is substantially impacted by individual fitness level, which I wholeheartedly disagree with. genetic/physical differences do not have a significant impact in terms of who dies/lives in modern warfare.

I cant say I fully agree. I think it can actually impact it. How significantly depends, though. Realistically, having a strong team could help to hold a weaker member up, because the whole team counts. But being a stronger individual can definitely improve your chances. Just not always

Fam_Fam posted...
If you get placed in a battlefield and get shot by a machine gun/blown up, you will die either way.

Take this example you gave. You actually might no die. Some people can taken massive damage, and hold on long enough to get help. Depends on what the bullets hit. Someone whos stringer might be able to hold on longer
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UnMead
12/03/21 9:56:06 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
If you were remotely aware of how evolution works, you'd know all behaviours mutate, good and bad, and you need pressures to weed out what doesn't work in society. Cavemen disappear if they're not able to replicate, it's not a personal choice to be better.

Cavemen are totally able to replicate

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Kyuubi4269
12/03/21 9:57:10 AM
#57:


UnMead posted...


Cavemen are totally able to replicate

Not when their nuts are blown off by an IED. Or they're stuck in prison in their fertile years.
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Revelation34
12/03/21 10:02:48 AM
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UnMead posted...


youre allowed to post whatever stupid shit you think

but its damn annoying that everyone tries to have a twitter war on fucking gamefaqs

im a known loonie but no I dont support the tweet, cause I think its a stupid view meant to pander and inflame, guess which one is more effective in our political climate?

Stop letting yourself be so easily bamboozled. This country is about to start changing for the better in ways that many people are not quite prepared for. You need to make peace with that, because those changes cannot be stopped.


Where the hell do you even get that idea from?
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Gaawa_chan
12/03/21 11:40:36 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
There's a reason why men occupy a wider spread of performance variation; because men are meant to be expendable. The weak are meant to die off which means more higher performing men breed and the average for the species goes up.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
If you were remotely aware of how evolution works, you'd know all behaviours mutate
... Oh god the irony. Where do I begin?

Evolution works off of natural selection- the generational mutations that build up after exposure to cross-generational environmental pressures (we're not talking 1-2 generations, but dozens, if not hundreds or even thousands). It is also not about "weak die strong live" nonsense; it's about suitability to specific environments (aka, the sun beat down on your species in different places in different amounts for thousands of years, so the melanin content between populations changed as populations slowly adapted to it via natural selection).

How well-adapted to a given environment a SPECIES is, not an individual, is the subject of evolution. But putting that aside just for a second? A "weak" individual can easily survive while a "strong" individual can easily die if the weaker one is better suited to the environment, so your "weak die strong live" bullshit doesn't even apply to evolution in general, but your argument gets even worse than that.

Right now the environmental pressures on our species are inconsistent and heavily mitigated, and this is doubly true simply because human generations are very lengthy. Once a species reaches a point where they can significantly manipulate the pressures that would cause natural selection to be a noticeable factor in the spread of genetic variation (agriculture to reduce the pressure of starvation, weapons to reduce predation and starvation, shelter to reduce weather impact, health care to reduce disease impact, etc, etc) all of that goes out the window really fucking fast. As soon as humans began making tools (and civilizations) in earnest? As soon as we could manipulate our environment in our turn?

TL:DR? You're engaging in pseudoscience trying to apply evolution to what you're talking about. You're just wrong. Your fixation on the strong vs the weak is pseudo-scientific bullshit that eugenicists use to justify genocide, especially against people with disabilities (many countries still have eugenics laws based on this pseudoscience to this day targeting disabled people). Evolution deals with populations over generations, not individuals, and no, targeting parts of the population for culling does not facilitate evolution (points at my response to fam_fam below).

Cherry on the top is you running around pretending you actually have a firm grasp on the concept. What a great example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Fam_Fam posted...
this is suggesting that whether you die or survive in war is substantially impacted by individual fitness level, which I wholeheartedly disagree with. genetic/physical differences do not have a significant impact in terms of who dies/lives in modern warfare. If you get placed in a battlefield and get shot by a machine gun/blown up, you will die either way.
It is because we aren't talking about sustained environmental pressures across generations causing those best suited to an environment to survive.

A human's "environment" isn't being on a battlefield in the midst of bullet hail. You can take a perfectly strong individual specimen out of their natural environment and place them in a new one with pressures they did not evolve to deal with and surprise surprise, they will die. And so will pretty much every single other member of the same species you repeat this experiment on.

Turns out that humans didn't evolve over thousands of years to survive taking grenade and bullet rain, and surviving or dying from that has nothing to do with strength or adaptability- just luck.

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UnMead
12/03/21 12:03:52 PM
#60:


Revelation34 posted...
Where the hell do you even get that idea from?

from knowledge patterns and trends my good man

theres a wealth of information available to you, you just have to seek it out

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UnMead
12/03/21 12:05:15 PM
#61:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
Not when their nuts are blown off by an IED. Or they're stuck in prison in their fertile years.

congrats on accidentally pointing out further systemic racism in the US, its an important issue to be certain

r/selfawarewolves

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Revelation34
12/03/21 12:07:03 PM
#62:


UnMead posted...


from knowledge patterns and trends my good man

theres a wealth of information available to you, you just have to seek it out


So not at all then.
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UnMead
12/03/21 12:17:09 PM
#63:


Revelation34 posted...
So not at all then.

not at all what? Youre always looking for arguments but you never seem to have any idea what youre talking about

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adjl
12/03/21 12:19:09 PM
#64:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
The least capable perform worst and thus are more often killed. It's one of the few ways in modern society to cull sub-par people.

So you consider draft dodgers to be the strongest men of all? They are, after all, the least likely to be killed in war, by an enormous margin.

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papercup
12/03/21 12:21:40 PM
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I hope that means he's volunteering to be expended.

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adjl
12/03/21 12:31:24 PM
#66:


papercup posted...
I hope that means he's volunteering to be expended.

I think it translates more as "I'm a terrible parent don't do anything that might make me need to take care of my kids."

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Lokarin
12/03/21 12:44:28 PM
#67:


This is more of Petersonian "We need to model ourselves based on lobsters!"

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CarefreeDude
12/03/21 12:58:12 PM
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We should do the Switzerland model where literally everyone goes through military training

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MeadCore
12/03/21 7:22:58 PM
#70:


CarefreeDude posted...
We should do the Switzerland model where literally everyone goes through military training

no

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LinkPizza
12/03/21 7:29:48 PM
#71:


MeadCore posted...
no

Tbh, that might not be so bad. Military training can seem pretty rough when youre in it. But its really just a joke afterwards. And only 2 months long. And if they wanted to do it for everybody, theyd probably have an easier and shorter course for civilians, with different physical scores
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chelsea_wtf
12/03/21 7:58:03 PM
#72:


LeetCheet posted...
So you wouldn't get mad if someone called women the expendable gender?

if i read something seriously saying women are expendable it might upset me, yeah. when those kind of beliefs are mainstream i try to fight them. when its a deeply unpopular belief held by a frigne group of people i think it's better to ignore it. for example, I don't go read incel forums to find people saying mean things about women. there's plenty of actual mainstream misogyny to go around.

seeking out the most extreme and unpopular version of a belief you disagree with in order to get angry about it can have pretty bad effects on your mental health, i think

theres plenty of ways misandry and patriarchy hurts men. i don't really think this is an example of that

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BEERandWEED
12/03/21 8:15:45 PM
#73:


Is this why men can make a baby any day and women can only make one a few days a month?
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Metalsonic66
12/03/21 8:29:18 PM
#74:


BEERandWEED posted...
women can only make one a few days a month?
lol

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MeadCore
12/03/21 8:44:30 PM
#75:


LinkPizza posted...
Tbh, that might not be so bad. Military training can seem pretty rough when youre in it. But its really just a joke afterwards. And only 2 months long. And if they wanted to do it for everybody, theyd probably have an easier and shorter course for civilians, with different physical scores

Im against it

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LinkPizza
12/03/21 8:46:07 PM
#76:


MeadCore posted...
Im against it

And that's fine. Not everybody will agree with everything...
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dioxxys
12/03/21 8:55:54 PM
#77:


Could probably be better off with less men, less competition in the dating scene then and then women couldnt be as picky. Might end up with a matriarchy, but thats okay, I never had any power in society to begin with being poor and having no connections XD
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LinkPizza
12/03/21 8:57:06 PM
#78:


dioxxys posted...
Could probably be better off with less men, less competition in the dating scene then and then women couldnt be as picky. Might end up with a matriarchy, but thats okay, I never had any power in society to begin with being poor and having no connections XD

I mean, maybe. Or they all just pick the strongest men, and use them for mating and child rearing, leaving others to just never have sex or a family... I guess it depends on what they choose to do...
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BEERandWEED
12/03/21 9:04:15 PM
#79:


Metalsonic66 posted...
lol
What's so funny? Science claims there are only 6 days a month women can conceive.

God can make it happen anytime of course.
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MeadCore
12/03/21 9:06:20 PM
#80:


BEERandWEED posted...
What's so funny? Science claims there are only 6 days a month women can conceive.

God can make it happen anytime of course.

then why bother trying to make a scientific point? Lol

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ReturnOfFa
12/03/21 9:07:23 PM
#81:


Men are Meant to be Gay.

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Metalsonic66
12/03/21 9:07:45 PM
#82:


BEERandWEED posted...
Science claims there are only 6 days a month women can conceive.
lol

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BEERandWEED
12/03/21 9:25:26 PM
#83:


Metalsonic66 posted...
lol
I also laugh at science.
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MeadCore
12/03/21 9:26:05 PM
#84:


BEERandWEED posted...
I also laugh at science.

believe me, it laughs at you

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Metalsonic66
12/03/21 9:26:36 PM
#85:


BEERandWEED posted...
I also laugh at science.
Might want to get more familiar with it first

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BEERandWEED
12/03/21 9:35:02 PM
#86:


Metalsonic66 posted...
Might want to get more familiar with it first
I'm well versed. God is still greater.
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Metalsonic66
12/03/21 9:36:17 PM
#87:


BEERandWEED posted...
I'm well versed
lol

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dioxxys
12/03/21 9:40:58 PM
#88:


lmao this alt
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BEERandWEED
12/03/21 9:42:18 PM
#89:


dioxxys posted...
lmao this alt
Metalsonic66 is an alt? Figures.
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Metalsonic66
12/03/21 9:45:31 PM
#90:


Yeah I'm actually PO who is actually helly who is actually keyblade who is actually Sunny

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BEERandWEED
12/03/21 9:47:34 PM
#91:


Metalsonic66 posted...
Yeah I'm actually PO who is actually helly who is actually keyblade who is actually Sunny
If sunny is actually you why do others keep claiming I'm sunny? Am I you also? I don't feel like you. I'm not loling.
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Metalsonic66
12/03/21 9:48:14 PM
#92:


We are all Sunny.

We are Legion.

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MeadCore
12/03/21 10:05:09 PM
#94:


Kotenks posted...
He should have said, "white men are expendable" and then people would have clapped.

give me a fucking break

thus shit is so pathetic


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BEERandWEED
12/03/21 10:10:09 PM
#95:


Metalsonic66 posted...
We are all Sunny.

We are Legion.
I don't wanna be sunny. I wanna be me.
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Metalsonic66
12/03/21 10:11:55 PM
#96:


Too late, assimilation is inevitable

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MeadCore
12/03/21 10:16:09 PM
#97:


BEERandWEED posted...
I don't wanna be sunny. I wanna be me.

next time do a better job

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BEERandWEED
12/03/21 10:18:34 PM
#98:


Metalsonic66 posted...
Too late, assimilation is inevitable
God's strength flows through me. I can do it.
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MeadCore
12/03/21 10:20:28 PM
#99:


BEERandWEED posted...
God's strength flows through me. I can do it.

why would any god give you strength? You dont seem very good

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Metalsonic66
12/03/21 10:20:49 PM
#100:


God is also a Sunny alt

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joemodda
12/03/21 10:42:31 PM
#101:


On the contrary, I await the day Elon announces robo-GF's with the personality of our anime waifus. We'll see which gender is the expendable one then!

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MeadCore
12/03/21 10:46:51 PM
#102:


joemodda posted...
On the contrary, I await the day Elon announces robo-GF's with the personality of our anime waifus. We'll see which gender is the expendable one then!

turns out its both!

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