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LightHawKnight
12/02/21 8:19:10 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
Ah so trolling it is then as you refuse to give their source and still ignored the second part of my post.

I mean he is an antivaxxer defender as well.

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TommyG663513
12/02/21 8:20:35 AM
#102:


spikethedevil posted...
Ah so trolling it is then as you refuse to give their source and still ignored the second part of my post.

@spikethedevil

I found an article of theirs that you can go over in the above post. They have tons of articles and podcasts on the subject of Americans views on abortion rights that you can comb through yourself.

It's a ton of work reading through articles and dissecting data. No way around that.

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TommyG663513
12/02/21 8:22:20 AM
#103:


LightHawKnight posted...
I mean he is an antivaxxer defender as well.

LOL

I don't defend them. I say "maybe there is a better way to reduce vaccine hesitancy than with outright hostility, mandates and other various requirements seem mostly fair game at this point for various employers public and private"

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scar the 1
12/02/21 8:37:02 AM
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Pregnancy and giving birth are big health risks. On top of that, giving birth in the US is expensive as all heck.

Abortion is healthcare and should not be restricted. Restricting access to abortion (much like any other form of healthcare) leads to people dying more. That's bad.

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LightHawKnight
12/02/21 8:37:33 AM
#105:


TommyG663513 posted...
LOL

I don't defend them. I say "maybe there is a better way to reduce vaccine hesitancy than with outright hostility, mandates and other various requirements seem mostly fair game at this point for various employers public and private"

Ah the classic antivaxxer defender.

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hockeybub89
12/02/21 1:47:34 PM
#106:


TommyG663513 posted...
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-americans-really-think-about-abortion/

Since people asked for 538 I looked them up and this is an article they just released on various polling data regarding the new Mississippi bill.

Figured I'd quote @hockeybub89 here, because he seems so intent on black and white thinking.

This is just an article that tries to dissect abortion viewpoints of Americans through various polling firms and a variety of questions.

538 has done many articles and podcasts on the very subject of abortion viewpoints that can take the discussion into even more complicated directions with sometimes conflicting data seemingly.

Also, I wasn't talking about legislating a middle ground. I do not think men should have any sort of legal right to whether a woman decides she wants an abortion or not. There is a difference between not having a hyperbolic reaction to a law like this and still very much disagreeing with it and approving this law in any way.
There is no way to have a nuanced reaction to the curbing of women's rights. If you don't accept something, then get fucking angry and raise hell until it's undone.

It's very bad and "many people agree with it" is not a defense.

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SauI_Goodman
12/02/21 1:49:04 PM
#107:


This topic is gonna end just splendid.

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AngelsNAirwav3s
12/02/21 1:56:16 PM
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TommyG663513 posted...
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-americans-really-think-about-abortion/

Since people asked for 538 I looked them up and this is an article they just released on various polling data regarding the new Mississippi bill.

Figured I'd quote @hockeybub89 here, because he seems so intent on black and white thinking.

This is just an article that tries to dissect abortion viewpoints of Americans through various polling firms and a variety of questions.

538 has done many articles and podcasts on the very subject of abortion viewpoints that can take the discussion into even more complicated directions with sometimes conflicting data seemingly.

Also, I wasn't talking about legislating a middle ground. I do not think men should have any sort of legal right to whether a woman decides she wants an abortion or not. There is a difference between not having a hyperbolic reaction to a law like this and still very much disagreeing with it and approving this law in any way.

Wow, 60% of Americans don't support abortion after 13 weeks, and the Mississippi law in question bans abortion even later at 15 weeks? Surprised there is this much controversy

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Sayoria
12/02/21 1:59:50 PM
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You know Ellie, we really are a shitty country.

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ledbowman
12/02/21 2:02:42 PM
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AOC: Joe Biden still remains accused of sexual assault
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IamtheViking
12/02/21 2:26:24 PM
#112:


AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
Wow, 60% of Americans don't support abortion after 13 weeks, and the Mississippi law in question bans abortion even later at 15 weeks? Surprised there is this much controversy

Yeah it basically is a nothingburger really

They're banning abortions that are pretty unlikely to occur for the most part. The Texas law was significantly more restricting.
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IamtheViking
12/02/21 2:28:31 PM
#113:


LightHawKnight posted...
Ah the classic antivaxxer defender.

Absolutely nothing about that is a defense of anti vaxxers

It is a criticism of people like you who feel the only proper way to deal with anti vaxxers is to yell and scream at them.

Thankfully, you are not involved with public health and no public health official would recommend your method.

In fact, public health officials recommend my method of treating people with respect and providing them with helpful information to better enable them to make more informed health decisions. If they still choose to not be vaccinated then that is kind of where it ends.

It is still stupid for them to not be vaccinated, but it ends there.
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IamtheViking
12/02/21 2:30:09 PM
#114:


hockeybub89 posted...
There is no way to have a nuanced reaction to the curbing of women's rights. If you don't accept something, then get fucking angry and raise hell until it's undone.

It's very bad and "many people agree with it" is not a defense.

Abortion isn't women's rights.

Abortion law is abortion law. It is a different thing than women's rights.

The article that was provided went over many nuanced aspects of how US citizens view abortion law and it paints a very complicated picture.

You seem to have not understood a single thing about that article whatsoever.
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CyricZ
12/02/21 2:32:25 PM
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Which banned account is Viking.

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spikethedevil
12/02/21 3:46:55 PM
#116:


CyricZ posted...
Which banned account is Viking.

Guessing the guy who got suspended earlier so just report him for doubling down and move on.

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IamtheViking
12/02/21 3:48:39 PM
#117:


spikethedevil posted...
Guessing the guy who got suspended earlier so just report him for doubling down and move on.

@spikethedevil

What could my posts possibly be reported for?

There is a lot of bad faith ITT

and what started this topic was AOCs comments which were made in entirely bad faith to get a reaction out of people
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Punished_Blinx
12/02/21 4:18:15 PM
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Ban abortions and women will find a significantly less safe way to abort on their own.

You outright cannot dictate what people can and will do with their own bodies.

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What_
12/02/21 4:24:27 PM
#119:


DarthAragorn posted...
Well she's right

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UnfairRepresent
12/02/21 4:26:26 PM
#120:


DarthAragorn posted...
Well she's right


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UnfairRepresent
12/02/21 4:26:56 PM
#121:


Punished_Blinx posted...
You outright cannot dictate what people can and will do with their own bodies.
This guy is also right

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LightHawKnight
12/03/21 8:11:23 AM
#122:


IamtheViking posted...
Absolutely nothing about that is a defense of anti vaxxers

It is a criticism of people like you who feel the only proper way to deal with anti vaxxers is to yell and scream at them.

Thankfully, you are not involved with public health and no public health official would recommend your method.

In fact, public health officials recommend my method of treating people with respect and providing them with helpful information to better enable them to make more informed health decisions. If they still choose to not be vaccinated then that is kind of where it ends.

It is still stupid for them to not be vaccinated, but it ends there.

Look at that antivax defense.

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ArchHero
12/03/21 8:28:38 AM
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AOC's favorite video game console is Nintendo 64 so we don't talk about her.

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IamtheViking
12/03/21 11:25:17 AM
#124:


LightHawKnight posted...
Look at that antivax defense.

If you see that as a defense of antivaxxers then you are exactly the person who is being criticized.
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LightHawKnight
12/03/21 11:52:14 AM
#125:


IamtheViking posted...
If you see that as a defense of antivaxxers then you are exactly the person who is being criticized.

Have fun defending antivaxxers.

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