Poll of the Day > Conservative Kid is OUTRAGED that George Floyd is viewed as JESUS on CAMPUS!!!

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Blayne Clegg, a crybaby junior at Catholic University of America is OUTRAGED after a painting of GEORGE FLOYD depicted as JESUS was hung at the School and calls it "heretical" and "blasphemous" to compare him to jesus and demand it removed!!

He called artist Kelly Latimore's Mama painting disgusting after discovering it a few weeks ago and tells Fox News he has organized a petition to have it removed

It was unveiled at the end of Black History Month in the law building and says that he doesn't spend much time there as an undergrad but said the painting was met with universal negative reaction and no one can "justify" the painting

He said "I haven't found anybody who's been able to give a serious theological justification for this kind of heretical, blasphemous idolatry."

He admits that Jesus has been depicted as many different races but has always been depicted as nothing but Jesus to him and said "There has never, to my knowledge, been any serious, respected Catholic theologian or icon maker who has depicted Jesus Christ as another human being"

The original painting depicts Jesus' mother Mary holding her dead son's body in her lap as the Student Organization CUA Young Americans for Freedom started a petition to have it removed and said no political or social justice cause justifies depicting another in a place of Jesus Christ

The artist hopes that this painting would seek change upon seeing the image

Blayne says no other human should be viewed as Jesus, especially someone who was a CRIMINAL in his eyes. When asked what he thought of people comparing Trump to Jesus, he said NO COMMENT.

Does this painting offend you?

https://i.imgur.com/CyncIWg.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uWHy859.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/X8ok3Ji.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/9bLxeHk.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/y5vQ8QL.jpg
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a white kid named Blayne acting like a racist snowflake

shocking

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And here I thought the right was supposed to be all about that freedom of expression.

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Isn't a huge part of Christianity the idea that Christ is in every person?

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adjl posted...

And here I thought the right was supposed to be all about that freedom of expression.

No no no, it's the freedom of MY expression, you don't have freedom.

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umm... Jesus WAS a criminal

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Lokarin posted...

umm... Jesus WAS a criminal

And killed by agents of the State, too. Not the same State, of course, but yeah, there are obvious parallels that can be drawn.

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It's kinda weird but nothing to get offended over

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Muscles posted...

It's kinda weird but nothing to get offended over

It's actually a fairly common thing to depict other people, especially victims of crimes or defamed people, as being Christ or Christ-like, because of the idea that Christ is in everyone. It's repeatedly stated throughout the New Testament.

Oddly, this conservative kid is actually behaving in a way antithetical to the teachings of Christianity as I understand them, because it suggests he is either refusing to recognize or is incapable of recognizing Christ in George Floyd.

Blayne says no other human should be viewed as Jesus, especially someone who was a CRIMINAL in his eyes.

Not even the Bible agrees with him. The question is whether or not he is so poor at understanding his own religion that he doesn't realize arguing that Christ is not in sinners contradicts the Bible, or if he's not being truthful with his reasoning.
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It's annoying. I am hardly an expert on Christianity but even I know this.

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Its offensive cause it Looks like grandma is feeling up a corpse....

maybe we should go back and look at all religious pictures and see how much pedo looking shit is there then blame ourselves for letting it happen cause the signs were there before those poor Altar boys had to suffer.....

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Gaawa_chan posted...

Isn't a huge part of Christianity the idea that Christ is in every person?

no

dioxxys posted...

no

So God created man in his own image

No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit.
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If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.
And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.

Do note that even if you restrict all of this purely to Christians only, George Floyd was a Christian.

And if his beef is that Floyd is a sinner, then this stupid kid is no Christian. One of the core tenets of Christianity is the salvation of sinners, and, yet again, George Floyd was a Christian. So I don't know what the fuck this dipshit's problem is, but it sure has hell isn't that he's following the Word.

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It is pretty fucking ridiculous, especially considering Floyd's criminal record. Jesus never did time for assault, he never robbed anybody, and never a weapon against a woman.


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Gaawa_chan posted...

So God created man in his own image

No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit.
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If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.
And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.

@Gaawa_chan
First is easy, thats just is alluding to the fact that God's Physical form is similar to the human body.

Third is saying God's most important quality is love and if we want to be like him and follow his ways we need to exude that quality. If someone is hateful then they are being hypocritical and their proclamation that they love God is false. I would say thats a great bible verse to quote to Christians who are being hateful of...lets say gay people, because it would point out that they arent being true to their faith since Love is common reoccurring theme in the bible.

Second is very confusing so try to bear with me. It is talking about God living in us as a reference to when you "surrender yourself to God" you become reborn spiritually and his "holy spirit resides within you" (this is what is supposed to get a Christian into heaven). This came about when God came to the earth as himself(Jesus) in order to sacriface himself for the sins of man (replacing sacrificing the lamb). This is where the "holy trinity" comes from.

You may hear Christians say they want to be "more god-like", that just means they want to exude traits referred to as the "fruits of the spirit" (love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control). However to portray yourself as or claim to be God or Jesus is extremely sacrilegious so yes this painting is offensive to most Christians.

Edit: My knowledge is based off Protestantism, I dont know the significance of the Halos around their head and if that likens them to God or not since thats purely a Catholic thing :/

It's... right on the borderline IMO. It's not like various people haven't been depicted as Jesus/Christ-like before but it's usually as either a joke or a result of some serious effort on the part of the person to be moral/positive/etc. Like, I could see a picture of Jesus chatting with Ghandi as fine and even something like having Ghandi die on the cross as being... fine... but this... At best it was Floyd's death which kicked this off and the man was both unremarkable and pretty a-moral in life and BLM has done things of questionable-at-best morality. I can certainly see why a Christian would be offended by it and I'm on the borderline myself. Personally I wouldn't demand they take it down (freedom of speech and all that), but the question asked is 'Does this painting offend you?' and I'd say... it's straddling the line dangerously close.

An idol to idiot worshipers

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https://youtu.be/CameSDK-2m8

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Zeus posted...

It is pretty fucking ridiculous, especially considering Floyd's criminal record. Jesus never did time for assault, he never robbed anybody, and never a weapon against a woman.

I mean, Jesus' criminal record resulted in him literally being publicly executed, so...

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This is a catholic university right? Its a stupid image, but I wouldnt say offensive exactly. However its certainly not appropriate to put up in a place where people are genuinely catholic, at least not until floyd is inevitably recognized as a new saint lol

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adjl posted...

I mean, Jesus' criminal record resulted in him literally being publicly executed, so...

You know why? Because he claimed to be the Son of God and many didn't believe him so it was considered blasphemous : / This is where Christianity split of from Judaism.

Well also he vandalized merchant wares because they were selling stuff and ripping people off in the temple of God.

dioxxys posted...

You know why? Because he claimed to be the Son of God and many didn't believe him so it was considered blasphemous : / This is where Christianity split of from Judaism.

Well also he vandalized merchant wares because they were selling stuff and ripping people off in the temple of God.

And also got somebody to go steal a donkey for him to ride. And also cursed somebody's fig tree because he couldn't find any fruit on it when he tried to steal some. And that's just the stuff the people that liked him decided to write down.

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adjl posted...

I mean, Jesus' criminal record resulted in him literally being publicly executed, so...

Not really. He was executed largely for going against the temples and rabbi's order. Pilate even openly stated he was washing his hands of Jesus's blood showing that this was a matter which would not be resolved by the, then-in-charge, romans. Officially he broke no 'laws' beyond stuff like hearsay and it was more of vengeful priests and rabbi's who were having their power base threatened that wanted him done away with.

That is a far cry from what Floyd did by even the most favorable accounts. It's both stupid and ignorant to claim that they're even remotely comparable. Like I said before, this depiction teeters on the edge of 'offensive' even though I do not believe it should be removed (but that is because I believe in freedom of speech which would cover something like this). Relocated, maybe, but not censored.

adjl posted...

I mean, Jesus' criminal record resulted in him literally being publicly executed, so...

Jesus was executed for civil disobedience, and surrendered peacefully -- discouraging his followers from fighting -- whereas the Floyd case started with him resisting arrest (well, after he'd tried to pass a counterfeit bill, which Jesus also never did). Jesus was effectively executed for protesting. And, again, Jesus didn't assault women, he didn't break into peoples' homes to rob them at gunpoint (or swordpoint or bowpoint), since guns weren't around) iirc in front of their child, he wasn't abusing drugs let alone abusing them up until the end of his life.

And Jesus wasn't found with enough painkillers to warrant a drug trafficking charge yet let go.

I know you hate Christianity, Christians, and most religions, but jfc, adjl...

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Zeus posted...

esus was executed for civil disobedience, and surrendered peacefully -- discouraging his followers from fighting -- whereas the Floyd case started with him resisting arrest (well, after he'd tried to pass a counterfeit bill, which Jesus also never did). Jesus was effectively executed for protesting. And, again, Jesus didn't assault women, he didn't break into peoples' homes to rob them at gunpoint (or swordpoint or bowpoint), since guns weren't around) iirc in front of their child, he wasn't abusing drugs let alone abusing them up until the end of his life.

And Jesus wasn't found with enough painkillers to warrant a drug trafficking charge yet let go.

And yet - according to contemporary laws - Jesus deserved to be executed, whereas Floyd did not. How odd.

Zeus posted...

I know you hate Christianity, Christians, and most religions

You keep saying this, but I really don't know what gives you that impression.

Unbridled9 posted...

Officially he broke no 'laws' beyond stuff like hearsay and it was more of vengeful priests and rabbi's who were having their power base threatened that wanted him done away with.

In a sense, that has sort of happened with Floyd. There are many who are glad that he's dead, who see that as what should have happened and a reflection of how the power balance ought to be. Those who think he shouldn't have been killed, on the other hand, are challenging and threatening the power that police hold by seeking greater accountability and distribution of responsibilities.

Of course, that movement existed before Floyd and was not in any way driven or inspired by him in life. He just happened to be the last straw in a long-standing problem, meaning that analogy is more than a little contrived. Nevertheless, you can draw some parallels between the overall situations. If you get away from the outrage over "the mural is saying Floyd is Jesus!" and instead think about it in terms of "Floyd's death was like Jesus' in that it has brought great things to the world, and we should honour and uphold those things so that his mother's sorrow was not in vain," it makes enough sense.

Unbridled9 posted...

It's both stupid and ignorant to claim that they're even remotely comparable.

In general, I'd agree, but I have to fall back on the comment I usually fall back on: If you don't want somebody to be turned into a martyr, don't martyr them. Martyrdom has a habit of convincing people to look past whatever bad things you can say about a person and instead treat them as a champion of whatever cause they ended up dying for (however inadvertently). Floyd has become a symbol of the BLM movement, like it or not. That's going to be his legacy, regardless of whether or not he was a good person in life.

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adjl posted...

And yet - according to contemporary laws - Jesus deserved to be executed, whereas Floyd did not. How odd.

I'd like to say it was odd to see you use unjust laws to support a fallacious argument, but unfortunately that's become something of a norm.


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Zeus posted...

I'd like to say it was odd to see you use unjust laws to support a fallacious argument, but unfortunately that's become something of a norm.

If we're going with the basis of "he's a criminal, therefore nobody should be looking up to him," Jesus was in fact a worse criminal than Floyd by the only metric of criminality available: adherence to laws. If we're judging by metrics other than criminality (legalistic morality being terribly lazy and all), then the comparison has to become more nuanced and can't rely on criticizing Floyd simply for doing illegal things.

Of course, I've already said the individuals aren't really comparable and the analogy is more situational than personal, so that's all largely a moot point.

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In a sense, that has sort of happened with Floyd.

Not only is this not true but I wouldn't blame anyone who put you on ignore for that statement just now.

At it's most favorable interpretation Floyd was an innocent man killed by police brutality/negligence due to racism. This is the MOST favorable interpretation and glosses over things like his prior criminal record, drug use, and the like. It also neglects basically everything Jesus was doing that lead up to his arrest. Jesus preached redemption, a personal relationship with God, and that the religious orders at the time did not hold a monopoly upon religious matters. To Christians he is also believed to be the son of God who was divinely sent to die to provide a pathway for us to be redeemed and be with God.

If you get away from the outrage over "the mural is saying Floyd is Jesus!" and instead think about it in terms of "Floyd's death was like Jesus' in that it has brought great things to the world, and we should honour and uphold those things so that his mother's sorrow was not in vain," it makes enough sense.

Even if one could argue that this was true, it doesn't change the fact that it is being highly offensive to people of a personal religious belief, treading on what is basically sacred ground for little more than political reasons, and making a false (and highly offensive) association. Even if you think that it isn't offensive because of the reason you just stated that doesn't change that it IS potentially highly offensive to a certain religious belief and a failure to acknowledge that ruins any point you may potentially have about it. I'm not saying the people don't have a right to make pictures like this, that it should be censored, or the like. Just that it is walking a very thin line of being offensive or not (and many will) and probably shouldn't be located in a school.

If you don't want somebody to be turned into a martyr, don't martyr them.

There are many people who are martyrs for a multitude of reasons. Just being one doesn't mean people should make images of them being equivalent to Jesus. This doesn't mean their sacrifice/martyrdom wasn't important, significant, heroic, or the like. Just that it shouldn't be treated like it means they are the same as Jesus. Peter himself asked to be crucified upside down because he didn't feel he was worthy enough to be crucified the same was as Jesus was and this was the man who, by all accounts, was his best friend. It's why the upside down cross is on the Pope's chair (and it's sacred to Catholics).

It's important to remember that there are other things people value beyond 'equality'. This does not mean that they are bad people or even against equality (they may even champion it) but matters of faith and the sacred, for good or ill, need to be handled different than those of something like racial justice. If you think Floyd's martyrdom has brought about great change and what-not, I won't fight you, since that's not my point. My point is that comparing him to Jesus is an extremely fine line that will offend quite a lot of Christians and needs to be understood and acknowledged as such. This boy has every right to be offended over this and I don't believe for a second he's in the wrong. At most he's over-reacting but it's a VERY understandable over-reaction at that.