Poll of the Day > They're rebooting X-Men The Animated Series

(+) Yeah! (+)

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Are they going to retcon the ending or is Professor X not going to be in it?
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Sulugnaz posted...

Other: They'll just make it so he never died.

Staying true to the comics then, lol

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Talk about a comical turn of events?

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Sulugnaz posted...

Other: They'll just make it so he never died.

He didn't die, the aliens had to take him to their home planet (never to return) to keep him alive.
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I mean, it's basically a running joke that comic book character death is temporary.

If I remember (which I may not), the final season went to a different studio or something and was terrible.

It's not like I expect a series continued all these years later with a completely different group of people writing it to be any good though.

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Sulugnaz posted...

Where he would eventually die.

You could say that about literally every character.
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shes pretty good with a Cello!! but beat me to posting this

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Did disney+ ever fix that thing where all their damn shows have the episodes out of order?

ReggieTheReckless posted...

Did disney+ ever fix that thing where all their damn shows have the episodes out of order?

nope now it plays random looney tunes episodes and not even the good ones

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TigerTycoon posted...

I mean, it's basically a running joke that comic book character death is temporary.

Doubly so for Mutants.

There was even a joke in one of the first issues of Xmen Gold where they said "Death is a revolving door" or something like that

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I've been looking for a way to watch that for years (and 90s Spider-Man) but couldn't find DVDs anywhere, or any channels that played it

It feels like they have been trying to hide it for well over a decade and now they come out with a reboot? Seems weird

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Whoaaa its the juggernaught bitch!

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No they are not. This is a continuation not a reboot.

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creativerealms posted...

No they are not. This is a continuation not a reboot.

I mean, it sounds like it could be a soft reboot. Retcon a few minor details from the end, and weave in the new story until it can safely take off in its own direction. You know, like RTD's first era showrunning Doctor Who, and potentially his upcoming second one. <_<

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TigerTycoon posted...

I mean, it's basically a running joke that comic book character death is temporary.

"Mutant Heaven doesn't have pearly gates, it has revolving doors."

--- multiple characters in the actual comics
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

"Mutant Heaven doesn't have pearly gates, it has revolving doors."

--- multiple characters in the actual comics

What about ones that stay dead? Also M Day was stupid. They should have completely retconned it when Joe Quesada was shitcanned.
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Kotenks posted...

Show started in 199-fucking-2. They really will revive anything.

Same as it ever was.

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

"Mutant Heaven doesn't have pearly gates, it has revolving doors."

--- multiple characters in the actual comics

Yeah, I was going to say, even the joke has revolving doors since I read it in Peter David's X-Factor run back in the 80's - issue 75 iirc.

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I just thought of something. If they're continuing the continuity of the X-Men Animated Series, that means, technically, the Spider-Man Animated Series' continuity continues as well.......

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Isn't there a group of mutants that can resurrect any dead mutant in the comics now? Like the X-Men comics just turned off permadeath.
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Good stuff!
Still more than a year off thou :/

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Kotenks posted...

Show started in 199-fucking-2. They really will revive anything.

In its defense, it was a pretty good adaptation. Just hope they don't ruin it by making it woke.

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The_tall_midget posted...

Just hope they don't ruin it by making it woke.

That ship sailed decades ago.

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America_Dude posted...

Here's a hint: The X-Men has literally always been about inclusive diversity.

Yes, and it was done without shoving it down people's throat and shitting on the source material. The type of garbage diversity and inclusivity I am talking about is garbage like the current Batwahman series on the BBC.

Pretty huge difference in how the messages get across. One is a story loyal to the material that sends messages and moral values. The other is a mess that only exists to virtue signal. Most shows, back in the days, were pretty much in that format and I loved most of them.

Do I need to explain slower?

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I hope the continue Pride of the X-Men

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Dmess85 posted...

I hope the continue Pride of the X-Men

Australian Wolverine? No one would accept that.

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The_tall_midget posted...

Yes, and it was done without shoving it down people's throat and shitting on the source material. The type of garbage diversity and inclusivity I am talking about is garbage like the current Batwahman series on the BBC.

Pretty huge difference in how the messages get across. One is a story loyal to the material that sends messages and moral values. The other is a mess that only exists to virtue signal. Most shows, back in the days, were pretty much in that format and I loved most of them.

Do I need to explain slower?

I think you should rewatch the old cartoon and see it's not as "subtle" as you remember. I don't see the difference between the two as clearly as you seem to. Either you agree with the message or you don't.

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Australian Wolverine? No one would accept that.

They accepted Hugh Jackman...

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Uhm... That's the joke.

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Revelation34 posted...

What about ones that stay dead?

No one stays dead.

NO ONE.

If you think someone is "staying dead", that just means they're taking longer than usual to come back.

Another running joke among comic fans was that "No one stays dead in comics other than Uncle Ben, Jason Todd, and Bucky." ...and two of those have since come back as well.

The X-Men (and related titles) were just more blatant about it. Going all the way back to the 60s when Professor X died at one point, only for it to be revealed years later that he secretly faked his own death, for reasons. But Jean Grey/Phoenix is the big one that sort of started the snowball rolling.



MyMainAccount posted...

Yeah, I was going to say, even the joke has revolving doors since I read it in Peter David's X-Factor run back in the 80's - issue 75 iirc.

Yeah, I remember that. If not that specific issue, then definitely that overall storyline (and I believe Professor X was the one who said it).

And it was an old joke then - I remember Storm saying it at least once even before that. And in both cases it was sort of meant as a sly nod to the jokes that the fanbase were already telling.



GanonsSpirit posted...

Isn't there a group of mutants that can resurrect any dead mutant in the comics now? Like the X-Men comics just turned off permadeath.

Yes. It's just one of the things that make the current books so terrible.

But yeah, they basically hit the reset button and brought pretty much every dead mutant (well, every dead major character) back with the House of X storyline. Because magic cloning shit! And retcons! Whee, retcons!



America_Dude posted...

Here's a hint: The X-Men has literally always been about inclusive diversity.

Ehh, they werent always about it.

That was mostly a thread that Chris Claremont started working into the books in the late 70s, which is where the Professor X/Magneto as analogues for MLK and Malcolm X started started showing up. Or the blatant comparisons to Jews. Or the Mutant Registration Act. Or "fighting to save people who hate and fear you" as a motif. And it didn't really become a metaphor for homosexuality until the early 2000s when the movie used it that way (unsurprisingly, when you consider the director was gay... though it can make it a bit squickier when you realize now that he's apparently also a bit of a pedophile).

Stan Lee just liked the idea of "X-Men as civil rights metaphor" once it was established, so he started taking retroactive credit for it in interviews (because Stan has always had a terrible memory, and likes to tell interesting stories more than remembering the actual truth). But it's pretty obvious the earlier stories weren't really all that deep (which might explain why they also weren't that popular - X-Men was basically cancelled for like 5 years in the early 70s, and only really became Marvel's most popular franchise after it was revived).

But yeah, most of what makes the X-Men actually interesting, and that people like about them, tends to revolve around the idea of "we're different and people hate us for it". Whether you see it as a metaphor for being a teenager and not fitting in, or as a metaphor for being black, or gay, or whatever. It resonates because most people feel different at some point in their lives. So it's easy to relate.
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Dmess85 posted...

I hope the continue Pride of the X-Men

I prefer this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83WxHcDWGSE
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

No one stays dead.

NO ONE.

If you think someone is "staying dead", that just means they're taking longer than usual to come back.

Another running joke among comic fans was that "No one stays dead in comics other than Uncle Ben, Jason Todd, and Bucky." ...and two of those have since come back as well.

The X-Men (and related titles) were just more blatant about it. Going all the way back to the 60s when Professor X died at one point, only for it to be revealed years later that he secretly faked his own death, for reasons. But Jean Grey/Phoenix is the big one that sort of started the snowball rolling.

What's your opinion on the stuff I spoilered?
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Revelation34 posted...

What's your opinion on the stuff I spoilered?

M-Day was stupid, but it was pretty much necessary because of previous X-writers (especially Morrison) upping the scale of the world so much so fast that it basically became untenable as part of the Marvel universe.

Basically, when there are tens of millions of mutants in the world, it kind of turns the entire setting into an adjunct of the X-Men titles. It kind of screws with the whole dynamic of the world.

That sort of evolving narrative would be awesome if the X-Men were in their own little pocket universe, where dramatic changes to the world can happen and don't screw with other books too badly, but in a shared universe with the Avengers and Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four and Daredevil and other stuff, it was like a giant festering tumor that wouldn't stop growing.

So yeah, when you've got mutant slums and entire mutant nations and nearly every country would have to start creating metahuman police forces, you need to deal with that problem somehow. "No more mutants" cleaned the slate and reset the status quo (which is good), though it led to a lot of stupid things later (pretty much everything from Schism onward).

I actually enjoyed a lot of the 2000s storylines (House of M, M-Day, the Messiah stuff, etc). 2011 is basically where both Marvel and DC shit the bed as far as I'm concerned, led me to drop pretty much every title I was reading, and it's been a non-stop downhill race to the bottom ever since.
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