Current Events > Halloween Kills; I hate how the town has to be stupid for MM to work (spoilers)

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Like we all get the joke that people don't make the best choices in movies like this. But time after time people in this movie just do the stupidest stuff. To the point that it is not even funny horror movie stupid. It is just like inexplicably stupid.

It doesn't make your monster look strong, if he only lives because the people chasing keep doing stupid stuff.

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Show me a real life example where people are smart in situations like this. The movie absolutely evokes something of protests & riots.

Is it so much different than the real world right now?

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TC gave no actual examples

everyone move along

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AlCalavicci posted...

TC gave no actual examples

everyone move along

Them chasing the wrong person. Unlike us, they know who what he looks like. They know he is a big man. So clearly the person the mob was going after wasn't him.

There was a female with a gun shooting MM, she let's him kick a car door and she shorts himself.

A number times people have MM down and they let him back up.

A few examples.

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Yeah, you're right. Michael was coasting on pure luck.

Laurie leaving a room in the basement where he could hide. Fire fighters saving him.

The dumbest was definitely that chick shooting herself because he kicked a car door open just right. Fucking wtf lol.

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archedsoul posted...

Yeah, you're right. Michael was coasting on pure luck.

Laurie leaving a room in the basement where he could hide. Fire fighters saving him.

The dumbest was definitely that chick shooting herself because he kicked a car door open just right. Fucking wtf lol.

These 2 things are worth discussing. Just not arguing about. I absolutely see how they can be viewed as ridiculous. Do you not see how they are cool?

The gun cabinet?
sneaking in a ridiculous moment like that?

cjsdowg posted...

Them chasing the wrong person. Unless us, they know who what he looks like. They know he is a big man. So clearly the person the mob was going after wasn't him.

You don't know that. We don't know enough about the culture of Haddonfield in 2018. Is it 100% families that have always lived there and know the Michael Myers story? Are there a lot of people that moved there later? How much about the babysitter killings are talked about amongst the town before he was broken out? How many people have actually seen what Myers looks like? Even if everyone knew, there were a lot of people in the hospital, not everyone got a good look of the guy running. They are following the mob. The mob mentality takes over and can be very powerful.

cjsdowg posted...

There was a female with a gun shooting MM, she let's him kick a car door and she shorts himself.

Eh I don't remember the exact scene but would chalk this up to panic/being frozen with fear

cjsdowg posted...

A number times people have MM down and they let him back up.

People are dumb and think/hope that he's finished

archedsoul posted...

Laurie leaving a room in the basement where he could hide. Fire fighters saving him.

This was kinda dumb but at the same time, I gotta think that she made that room to somehow protect herself in case she was stuck in the room with him or something. idk

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He hid in the gun cabinet.

The mob justice scene was even more laughable than the one in Silver Bullet, and that's saying something

AlCalavicci posted...

People are dumb and think/hope that he's finished

You'll notice that this is the exact thing stated as the reason TC didn't like the movie

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Xethuminra posted...

Show me a real life example where people are smart in situations like this. The movie absolutely evokes something of protests & riots.

Off the top of my head (and Ive forgotten a lot of it):

• Last movie: Lauries a weirdo. Why would she be so scared of some guy who killed 3 people 40 years ago? We have fucking school shootings now. This movie: So we have this bar thats like a Michael Myers support group.
• Michael Myers is gonna come to the hospital to attack Laurie. Also, stay at the hospital. Youll be safe here.
• The girl shooting herself in the face (I actually laughed out loud).
• We need to build a mob! Okay now lets split into little groups.
• Okay, weve split into groups, Ill go into Michaels house alone without alerting anyone from the mob.
• The other mental patient. This one has layers. First of all, I guess none of the Michael Myers support group has ever seen him in the 40 years hes been in the asylum. Second of all, I guess none of them were paying attention when they saw him in the security footage. Third, I guess no one has a smartphone in 2018, because the Is that Michael? scene couldve ended with a 2-second google search.
• Someone broke into our house and left a bloody handprint. Lets not call the cops and instead well split up and wander around the house with knives.
• Michaels down and I have a pitchfork in his back. Lets lure him outside.
• Weve surrounded him. Now lets attack him one-by-one in deliberately non-vital areas. Also, if those of you with guns could try to fire them within 3 feet of Michael, thatd be great.

After watching this movie, I was legitimately wondering if it was supposed to be a parody. Shit was so goofy.

It is a parody. Was that not obvious to you? The sequels and ripoffs are the subject matters of this movie, largely. Can you not dig in? Partake, I say. Partake. Dine with us. Feast! A glorious feast! This is a celebration. Halloween Kills is the best film all year. Do not be sad. Rejoice! For the End is near.

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Kami_no_Kami posted...

Last movie: Lauries a weirdo. Why would she be so scared of some guy who killed 3 people 40 years ago? We have fucking school shootings now. This movie: So we have this bar thats like a Michael Myers support group.

For real. The entire town suddenly acts like Michael is swinging by, terrorizing everyone, and picking off a handful of people every single Halloween.

Additionally, it went from "Laurie is a weirdo because she's gone on for 40 years about how this guy is the personification of evil" to "Michael Myers is the evilest evil that ever eviled, you're darn tootin'."


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UnholyMudcrab posted...

For real. The entire town suddenly acts like Michael is swinging by, terrorizing everyone, and picking off a handful of people every single Halloween.

Additionally, it went from "Laurie is a weirdo because she's gone on for 40 years about how this guy is the personification of evil" to "Michael Myers is the evilest evil that ever eviled, you're darn tootin'."

The previous victims riled up the town during their therapy reunion when they heard Michael was back

AlCalavicci posted...

You don't know that. We don't know enough about the culture of Haddonfield in 2018. Is it 100% families that have always lived there and know the Michael Myers story? Are there a lot of people that moved there later? How much about the babysitter killings are talked about amongst the town before he was broken out? How many people have actually seen what Myers looks like? Even if everyone knew, there were a lot of people in the hospital, not everyone got a good look of the guy running. They are following the mob. The mob mentality takes over and can be very powerful.

Wasn't his face fully visible to them on the news? I think it was on at the bar, blurred out for the audience. I get your point about the mob mentality, but still

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Dude. He killed a group of firefighters. In a small town. Hes dead.

The only dumb-ish part was the town beat down not shooting Michael in the head or dismembering his arms and legs. Then again, this isn't the same Michael Myers from the countless sequels. He had one killing spree in the 70s and now he's back in 2018. The town people weren't expecting Michael to get so soon with increased brutality.

I still hope the next film will take place in the same night. That way we can see how the town really tries to put Mike down.

But they did try to shoot him in the head

and I dont think theyve seen the movies....

doesnt that sort of stuff happen every day?

Lastly. And mostly importantly. They filmed it to seem like the town because of several crowd shots but the riot is separate from the lynch mob.

The movie is godawful. Thats the only explanation needed.

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A real life lynch mob would have several people armed with rifles and shotguns. They would have had him filled with bullets, stabbed, hogtied and hanged with brutal efficiency.

This mob all took turns going after him with sticks and the 1 retired security guard that had a gun got close enough to get got.

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Flauros posted...

A real life lynch mob would have several people armed with rifles and shotguns. They would have had him filled with bullets, stabbed, hogtied and hanged with brutal efficiency.

This mob all took turns going after him with sticks and the 1 retired security guard that had a gun got close enough to get got.

They did arm themselves with shotguns & rifles. Half of them left to keep their hands clean before the execution. They beat him to death. Its probably based on real stories. That happens all the time. Angry group ties someone up and beats them up after chasing them down with melee weapons? A lot of time those people just get left their to die. Thats horrible. Thats reality. Just stop.

Some soldiers singlehandedly kill entire companies of enemy troops. What story is worth telling on screen? And what would happen with Michael vs Haddonfield?

Kills was great. Haddonfield has always been dumb. Why pick on this movie? Bad look.

One mob member shot Michael like six times. The police officer Brackett tried to finish the job with a headshot but got his neck sliced.

I watched it this week. The mob was pretty stupid (they did have MMs face in the news) but I thought they did a decent job beating him down enough to believe he wouldnt fight back as hard as he did.

Is it true that the director is saying Michael isnt a supernatural being, just really tough and evil?

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party_animal07 posted...

Is it true that the director is saying Michael isnt a supernatural being, just really tough and evil?

He has to. The notion that Michael is actually a monster is supposed to be word of mouth. A real halloween legend.

The movie is a love letter to the seriess best admirer: A Nightmare On Elm st. It follows the formula almost to the letter, with a brawler twist at the end using FvJ & justifies the lynch mob as a reverse intro before leading to the twist ending. The set up for Allysons revenge story was so well paced too. The movie is amazing. Big Jon & Little John can hang out smack dab in the middle of my horror movies any day. Frickin a.

Xethuminra posted...

They beat him to death. Its probably based on real stories. That happens all the time. Angry group ties someone up and beats them up after chasing them down with melee weapons? A lot of time those people just get left their to die. Thats horrible. Thats reality. Just stop.

Some soldiers singlehandedly kill entire companies of enemy troops. What story is worth telling on screen? And what would happen with Michael vs Haddonfield?

How many lynchings have you seen that just end with them beating the subject and leaving them there? Most ive seen record of make sure they are dead and gone. Thats reality. The mob in this movie acted like a bunch of unprepared idiots, especially since they knew that he wiped out patrols armed with guns before. They even had Karen who saw him get shot in the face with a hunting rifle and trapped him in a house fire and then She just got done curb stomping him and stabbing him in the back and he just got up like it was nothing. They should have known exactly how tough he was. They handled it like morons.

Then you have the problem of, how are they going to kill him? With all the shit he survived in this movie alone, nothing outside of blowing him to bits will work. Even then, who knows? He could hobble around on stumpy legs with one arm and half a face and wipe out a mob.

The story they are telling is that michael is unkillable.

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This wasnt a lynching. Ive never seen a lynching. Ive read about a lot of murders tho. What youre arguing doesnt warrant a source. Its basic math. And we shouldnt be talking about real murder like this. It wasnt entirely realistic and thats a good thing. Lots of murder is exactly as I described. So, to clarify & answer..... Countless. Kids are notorious for doing exactly what I said. Infamously so.

How are they gonna kill him? That isnt the problem. Its the catch. Im calling out your gimmick of being a contrarian. Start posing it as a hypothetical. All that* behavior proves is the effect you can have on the conversation. Time to see what the discussion looks like without it? Because this cant be how you really feel. Clearly you enjoyed the movie. Whether the movie is good isnt really up for debate. Youre not even making a strawman. Its a straight-up scarecrow. Im not a bird.

Xethuminra posted...

He has to.

No he doesn't.

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Xethuminra posted...

Whether the movie is good isnt really up for debate.

You have to be trolling at this point.

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au_gold posted...

You have to be trolling at this point.

Impossibru

You call me contrarian and accuse me of strawmen but you go on these irrelevant rambling tangents. Its like Unfair mixed with kg88222 with a bit of Josiah mixed in.

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dave_is_slick posted...

No he doesn't.

Youre right. Hes not supernatural then, but...

What is a man?

The movie peaked relatively early with the firefighter scene

The mob at the hospital was pointless

The flashback scenes to 1978 looked amazing and authentic but ultimately didn't add much to the plot, just like how this movie didn't add much to the series as whole other than an impressive and bloody body count

Little John and Big John were my favorite characters in the movie

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I thought the movie was entertaining as fuck.

I love the scene where he stabs the wife through the throat with the broken light he's just going to town on her dead husband, stabbing him with the kitchen knifes as she is forced to watch and slowly bleed out and die.

There's something sinister in that scene and Michael's movements look so uncanny like he's possessed and can't properly control his body.

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Also I think it's easy to criticize everyone's choices in this movie because we understand as the audience that Michael Myers is an absolute unit and facing him is guaranteed desth.
Whereas from the characters perspective it's just some psycho who escaped from the psychiatric ward and is murdering people again.
Maybe I'm just an idiot but if I heard someone break into my house I'd grab something to defend myself and go investigate rather than running.

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Let's be honest, movie was stupid as shit. Inexcusably stupid as shit, with some of the plot points and dialogue feeling like something you might have written in high school.

And I loved it, lmao.

Come on. Big John, Little John. Bringing back recurring characters and actually having guts in how they're used. I think Michael killed more people than he has in the entire rest of the series combined in this movie, lol, and all of the kills were first rate. It was chaotic and wonderful.

Buuuut it's definitely a bit jarring considering how the last movie had a "We're going to be a restrained, high quality horror affair, just like the classic" vibe to it.

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E_S_M_Z posted...

Buuuut it's definitely a bit jarring considering how the last movie had a "We're going to be a restrained, high quality horror affair, just like the classic" vibe to it.

I think that is a part that is a bit off putting to me. Like if his was Jason (lol), I would be okay with people acting stupid. I mean that is what they do .

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I took the movie to be social commentary on recent events.

AlCalavicci posted...

cjsdowg posted...
There was a female with a gun shooting MM, she let's him kick a car door and she shorts himself.

Eh I don't remember the exact scene but would chalk this up to panic/being frozen with fear

Seems more slasher-y to me, like a generic kill from Jason. Just different from what I pictured when David Gordon Green said he wasn't going to be super natural in this trilogy.

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