Current Events > a reminder of what brie larson said that pissed people off

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https://twitter.com/OFFTHATTABLE/status/1453759943232868354?s=20

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Not sure why anyone would support a racist or sexist

This was about A wrinkle in time right? I don't get how being a woman of color would make that movie good.

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Literally the perfect Avenger.

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Yeah everyone knows that what she said was stupid

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It's almost like middle-aged white dudes are afraid that their stranglehold over the entire Western world might be loosening.

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I hate her for her role on Community.

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TommyG663513 posted...

Yeah everyone knows that what she said was stupid

oh how is what she said stupid

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That bitch! How dare she!?

/s

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Reminder that incels still are reeeeing over it 3 years later

M_Live posted...

I never even knew why people hated her to begin with tbh

have you seen how flat her ass is?

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There is a real lack of context here. How long have those men been employed as critics, how many apply that are men, women, colored etc?

.And then you'll have men white men booted out if their jobs for no reason to be replaced by people of color for representation, and he successfully files a suit for 10 million.

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So if you gave A Wrinkle in Time a negative review, you are racist, got it.

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AceMos posted...

oh how is what she said stupid

White men don't hate diversity. In fact, these same critics she criticized have given great reviews to TONS of different diverse films. A Wrinkle in Time just wasn't one of those.

These guys are film critics. They tend to lean pretty hard to the left. They're generally gonna be pro diversity.

Also, films are made for everyone. Telling a white guy that a film wasn't made for him is just wrong

The best thing you could say about Brie Larson's words is that they were well intentioned, but delivered in a very clumsy way.


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TommyG663513 posted...

White men don't hate diversity. In fact, these same critics she criticized have given great reviews to TONS of different diverse films. A Wrinkle in Time just wasn't one of those.

These guys are film critics. They tend to lean pretty hard to the left. They're generally gonna be pro diversity.

Also, films are made for everyone. Telling a white guy that a film wasn't made for him is just wrong

The best thing you could say about Brie Larson's words is that they were well intentioned, but delivered in a very clumsy way.

congrats you missed her point entirely


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AceMos posted...

congrats you missed her point entirely

Sweet. Care to explain what it was?

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Wow, never heard of this person but what she's saying is inherently racist. Grouping all "women of color" is ignoring that that extremely broad group is diverse and that being a person of color presumes you'll like anything that features a person of color and whatever culture goes along with it?

I mean, is there a huge demographic of black women that love Indian movies in Hindi?
Are there swaths of Chinese immigrant women dying to see Halle Berry's new MMA movie?
Are Syrian and Afghan women fighting tooth and nail to ensure Cuties stays up on Netflix?
Is Undone the most popular Prime show among Hispanic women?

Personally, I wouldn't take a whole lot of pride in grouping all poc and woc together as if they are one monolithic thing. They are people with different interests, different values, different priorities in life, different personalities and sense of humor.

There's some valuable message in saying more diversity is important, but not like this. Not like this.

PS
If you haven't watched Undone on Prime, fucking do it. Great show.

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I listened to it again and it's about critics. Ok, um, well, all the power to woc and poc who wish to study film and make an attempt at reviewing film in a critical and fair manner.

I looked up Cuties and I see lots of women's names.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/cuties

*shrugs

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ok lets break this down to its most basic level

how many of you say "cringe" when a teen character speaks like a gen Z and call something bad for that

ok

now how many of you loved the 87 ninja turtles

now tell me the difference in dialog

there is none


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AceMos posted...

ok lets break this down to its most basic level

how many of you say "cringe" when a teen character speaks like a gen Z and call something bad for that

ok

now how many of you loved the 87 ninja turtles

now tell me the difference in dialog

there is none

TF point are you even trying to make?

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TommyG663513 posted...

TF point are you even trying to make?

its not hard to grasp people whine about things that dont fit how they grew up

a strait white man is not going to relate to a movie talking about racism

now thats not to say a strait white man cant enjoy said movie

but if that man is a reviewer and uses his life experience to down play the movies message

well there is a problem


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this is really no different than how the oscars are deiced but a bunch of old fossils disconnected from everything (remember when the racist trash that is the green book one best picture)


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Feels like there might be a point here somewhere, but the way she makes it rests it all validity.

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AceMos posted...

its not hard to grasp people whine about things that dont fit how they grew up

a strait white man is not going to relate to a movie talking about racism

now thats not to say a strait white man cant enjoy said movie

but if that man is a reviewer and uses his life experience to down play the movies message

well there is a problem

Now that's just dumb.
Let's look at current popular media.
How many people can relate to being a Billionaire superhero?
How many can relate to being a powerful (almost godlike) space alien?
How many people can relate to being hit by gamma rays and can grow massively strong?
How many people can relate to being an Spy?

That's just the dumbest argument you could make.

If you make a good film, you get good reviews (overwhelmingly), you may still see some that just simply didn't connect with the film but the race of the characters or critics doesn't matter at all.

With what she said, she literally tried to exclude not just white people, but white men.
So not only were here comments racist, they were sexist. And her movie sucked ass.

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I say this every time this topic comes up: I don't see anything objectionable with what she said.

Hell, Roger Ebert is one of my idols, and even he'd probably agree with her.

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AceMos posted...

its not hard to grasp people whine about things that dont fit how they grew up

a strait white man is not going to relate to a movie talking about racism

now thats not to say a strait white man cant enjoy said movie

but if that man is a reviewer and uses his life experience to down play the movies message

well there is a problem

Are these white men by and large giving diverse films bad reviews?

No they are not and Brie Larson used the one example of a diverse film that was reviewed poorly.

This kind of hinges on the idea that these white men are giving these films bad reviews when they are not.

Also, the academy did become significantly more diverse in life of the #oscarssowhite stuff years ago.

You used Green Book winning as an example of the Oscars supporting a racist movie yet that was bookended with Moonlight and Parasite both winning Oscars for BP. Weird how you ignore those two and cherry pick Green Book which tbf yeah that movie sucked.

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Hayame Zero posted...

I say this every time this topic comes up: I don't see anything objectionable with what she said.

cause there was nothing objectionable with what she said
the people who claim there is are full of shit and were looking for an excuse to hate her

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yusiko posted...

cause there was nothing objectionable with what she said
the people who claim there is are full of shit and were looking for an excuse to hate her

Uh what?

Brie Larson is making some weird implication that old white dudes won't promote diverse films or that they'll get better reviews with more diverse film critics.

Keep in mind that anyone with an interest in film is almost always left leaning and supports these things. There are countless diverse films that have received great reviews and won awards.

This idea that the demographics of critics is somehow a hindrance to diverse films is not at all based in reality.

She kept bringing up A Wrinkle in Time as if that movie should have been reviewed much better and that film just wasn't very good. Not every diverse film is good. In fact, that film is one of the biggest exceptions to diverse films generally receiving favorable reviews.


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bump

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TommyG663513 posted...

Sweet. Care to explain what it was?

She wants the opinions of women of color and didn't really get any because they composed only 2% of the people who reviewed it.

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She is beautiful so im willing to overlook what she said, but I dont know what she said tbh

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TommyG663513 posted...

Yeah everyone knows that what she said was stupid

what did she say?

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skermac posted...

what did she say?

Nothing. Incels on the internet just want to be mad that a female lead is going to have the most important roles in phase 4 of their comics for children pg13 movie adaptations.

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What's the issue with what she's saying

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Delta_Force posted...

Now that's just dumb.
Let's look at current popular media.
How many people can relate to being a Billionaire superhero?
How many can relate to being a powerful (almost godlike) space alien?
How many people can relate to being hit by gamma rays and can grow massively strong?
How many people can relate to being an Spy?

That's just the dumbest argument you could make.

There's a reason why so black many people who otherwise had no interest in comic book movies went and saw Black Panther. It wasn't because they identified with being a Superhero. It's because representation matters

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

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Garioshi posted...

What's the issue with what she's saying

More than anything, reactionery white dudes don't like being told, and they feel like they're being told.

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MiIkMan posted...

PS
If you haven't watched Undone on Prime, f***ing do it. Great show.

Yeah I 2nd this, I loved it. Season 2 has been confirmed too (no release date yet though).

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Remember when Disney bought a bunch of tickets to Captain Marvel to fool people into thinking it was a success?
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*person points out statistics*

*white men get angry*

inb4whitemenbringupcrimestatistics

Mr Hangman posted...

Then there's the even deeper fundamental error that if people in some position of influence or power are abusing it in some prejudicial or biased way, that making that group more diverse will fix it. Police departments don't seem to have any trouble finding black cops to enforce racist laws.

Apples to oranges. Police operate under a specific set of procedures and laws that are inherently racist and anybody who doesn't operate under that framework is either removed from the system or shunned within it.

Film criticism by nature is more about personal experience and tastes.

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Phantom_Nook posted...

Remember when Disney bought a bunch of tickets to Captain Marvel to fool people into thinking it was a success?

that never happened

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AceMos posted...

that never happened

Right, but all the incels screamed that it was true.
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I see a lot of people ITT making arguments for why what she said was problematic and the response is typically

"Lol incels"

Women of color can give their opinions on films and they don't have to be critics to do it. Being a film critic also isn't this super important thing so quite frankly who cares what the racial identity of them are.

A bigger question is "why do people care what critics think?"


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ka bumpo

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