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MrToothHasYou 10/27/21 6:18:04 PM #202:	Gobstoppers12 posted... So what you're saying is that certain orientations are wrong and should be changed, and that others are "correct" based on criteria that you, yourself, have chosen... Where the fuck have I heard this argument before........? I swear it's on the very tip of my tongue. Again, the issue is harm. Correct or incorrect or bad are completely meaningless terms in this context. If your contention is that we should not care about what harms people, and that harm reduction is an arbitrary criteria that doesnt matter, then feel free to make that argument. --- An Injury to One is an Injury to All https://iww.org/ <cite>MrToothHasYou posted [p:959449082] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>So what you're saying is that certain orientations are wrong and should be changed, and that others are "correct" based on criteria that you, yourself, have chosen... Where the fuck have I heard this argument before........? I swear it's on the very tip of my tongue.</quote>Again, the issue is harm. Correct or incorrect or bad are completely meaningless terms in this context. If your contention is that we should not care about what harms people, and that harm reduction is an arbitrary criteria that doesnt matter, then feel free to make that argument. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 10/27/21 6:19:14 PM #204:	Gobstoppers12 posted... feel wrong This another one of those things where if I asked you to elaborate you'd post that old chestnut again? --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:959449126] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>feel wrong</quote>This another one of those things where if I asked you to elaborate you'd post that old chestnut again? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smackems 10/27/21 6:19:51 PM #206:	Like who I want you to like, dammit --- Common sense charged before shipping - some dude <cite>Smackems posted [p:959449144] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>Like who I want you to like, dammit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 10/27/21 6:23:40 PM #208:	MrToothHasYou posted... If your contention is that we should not care about what harms people, and that harm reduction is an arbitrary criteria that doesnt matter, then feel free to make that argument Don't you think there is harm in trying to convince people that their sexual preferences are harmful? They're just living their lives and loving who they choose to love. Gosh dang this feels really familiar.... --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:959449274] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>MrToothHasYou posted... </cite> <quote>If your contention is that we should not care about what harms people, and that harm reduction is an arbitrary criteria that doesnt matter, then feel free to make that argument</quote>Don't you think there is harm in trying to convince people that their sexual preferences are harmful? They're just living their lives and loving who they choose to love. Gosh dang this feels really familiar.... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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David1988 10/27/21 6:26:53 PM #210:	fr_e_shavoca_do posted... Correct. And you would still be straight because they're a woman. what if someone doesnt want to be with a transwoman because they dont find penis sexually arousing, is that ok in your book? Theyre arent concerned about whether its straight or gay, they just know they dont find penis arousing, would that still be transphobic in your book? --- "Let's be honest...I'm everybody's type. I just gotta highlight the parts that appeal to her the most" - No_U_L7 <cite>David1988 posted [p:959449389] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>fr_e_shavoca_do posted... </cite> <quote>Correct. And you would still be straight because they're a woman.</quote> what if someone doesnt want to be with a transwoman because they dont find penis sexually arousing, is that ok in your book? Theyre arent concerned about whether its straight or gay, they just know they dont find penis arousing, would that still be transphobic in your book? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackMcCoy 10/27/21 6:27:03 PM #211:	fr_e_shavoca_do posted... Correct. And you would still be straight because they're a woman. You can have your opinions on people who feel differently, but to deny the fact that the general population typically doesn't feel this way, simply seems counterproductive for this exercise --- Forever justice <cite>BlackMcCoy posted [p:959449397] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>fr_e_shavoca_do posted... </cite> <quote>Correct. And you would still be straight because they're a woman.</quote> You can have your opinions on people who feel differently, but to deny the fact that the general population typically doesn't feel this way, simply seems counterproductive for this exercise </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 10/27/21 6:28:22 PM #212:	CyricZ posted... This another one of those things where if I asked you to elaborate you'd post that old chestnut again? No. I can say this one. The thought of having sex with a cis man is really, really disgusting to me. Like, to the point where I can't even imagine a situation where it would be a pleasant or even tolerable interaction. I am wholly averted from the idea, even as a hypothetical. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:959449451] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>This another one of those things where if I asked you to elaborate you'd post that old chestnut again?</quote>No. I can say this one. The thought of having sex with a cis man is really, really disgusting to me. Like, to the point where I can't even imagine a situation where it would be a pleasant or even tolerable interaction. I am wholly averted from the idea, even as a hypothetical. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ColdOne666 10/27/21 6:29:21 PM #213:	Revnir posted... Where do you draw the line, though? Is it rape if you tell the girl you're a millionaire and hide the fact that you're broke? Is it rape if you don't reveal that you have pneumonia? Is it rape if you don't reveal that you're allergic to chocolate? Did you just compare being trans to eating chocolate lol? Wow that's very phobic, shame. --- Aussie Aussie Aussie OI OI OI! <cite>ColdOne666 posted [p:959449475] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>Revnir posted... </cite> <quote>Where do you draw the line, though? Is it rape if you tell the girl you're a millionaire and hide the fact that you're broke? Is it rape if you don't reveal that you have pneumonia? Is it rape if you don't reveal that you're allergic to chocolate?</quote> Did you just compare being trans to eating chocolate lol? Wow that's very phobic, shame. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
David1988 10/27/21 6:31:04 PM #214:	Gobstoppers12 posted... No. I can say this one. The thought of having sex with a cis man is really, really disgusting to me. Like, to the point where I can't even imagine a situation where it would be a pleasant or even tolerable interaction. I am wholly averted from the idea, even as a hypothetical. you have a phobia of cis men bro? --- "Let's be honest...I'm everybody's type. I just gotta highlight the parts that appeal to her the most" - No_U_L7 <cite>David1988 posted [p:959449535] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>No. I can say this one. The thought of having sex with a cis man is really, really disgusting to me. Like, to the point where I can't even imagine a situation where it would be a pleasant or even tolerable interaction. I am wholly averted from the idea, even as a hypothetical.</quote> you have a phobia of cis men bro? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ColdOne666 10/27/21 6:32:12 PM #215:	MrToothHasYou posted... If you have a preference of only liking cis women, thats rooted in transphobia. Saying insane things over and over doesn't make them true. Some guys just want to marry a woman and have kids. It's not phobic, just biology. --- Aussie Aussie Aussie OI OI OI! <cite>ColdOne666 posted [p:959449562] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>MrToothHasYou posted... </cite> If you have a preference of only liking cis women, thats rooted in transphobia. Saying insane things over and over doesn't make them true. Some guys just want to marry a woman and have kids. It's not phobic, just biology. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 10/27/21 6:33:08 PM #216:	David1988 posted... you have a phobia of cis men bro? Nah. I just don't want to have sex with one. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:959449594] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>David1988 posted... </cite> <quote>you have a phobia of cis men bro?</quote>Nah. I just don't want to have sex with one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smackems 10/27/21 6:33:40 PM #217:	Lotta phobic ist phobia in here --- Common sense charged before shipping - some dude <cite>Smackems posted [p:959449609] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>Lotta phobic ist phobia in here </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
deoxxys 10/27/21 6:43:56 PM #218:	Im super straight --- twylite sprinkle http://tinyurl.com/jeqyas3 https://tinyurl.com/mgvx7h2 <cite>deoxxys posted [p:959449929] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>Im super straight </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ekie 10/27/21 6:44:48 PM #219:	shockthemonkey posted... Having an aversion to trans people is the definition of transphobia but sssshh dont say that too loud So if a gay man doesn't want to have sex with a woman does that make him heterophobic in make-believe land? --- ALL HAIL LORD DUNCAN! https://imgur.com/vsYREtU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZc3uq56JKU <cite>ekie posted [p:959449954] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted... </cite> <quote>Having an aversion to trans people is the definition of transphobia but sssshh dont say that too loud</quote> So if a gay man doesn't want to have sex with a woman does that make him heterophobic in make-believe land? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smackems 10/27/21 6:47:53 PM #220:	deoxxys posted... Im super straight SUPA STRATE c --- Common sense charged before shipping - some dude <cite>Smackems posted [p:959450062] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>deoxxys posted... </cite> <quote>Im super straight</quote>SUPA STRATE c </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 10/27/21 6:49:38 PM #221:	David1988 posted... what if someone doesnt want to be with a transwoman because they dont find penis sexually arousing Is it transphobic to have a genital preference? I would argue that it is not, using the sort of logic that would be used in legal circles. Namely, this rule can theoretically be applied neutrally across cisgender and transgender people. Thus, the rule of, I am not attracted to people with a vagina or, I am not attracted to people with a penis can be equally applied to both cisgender women and transgender men. The legal realm also provides insight into whether something is inherently transphobic in and of itself. There is a legal concept called the but for test, where but for a certain fact or action, something would not have happened. It is also referred to as the sine qua non rule, which means "without which there is not." In civil rights cases, this is a crucial test to see if individuals are being discriminated against. For example, if a woman was fired for wearing pants to work instead of a dress, and her male co-workers wore similar pants, but for the fact that she was a woman, she would not have been fired, and this constitutes a clear case of sex discrimination. Applying this concept using previous case law is illustrative. After Diane Schroer was offered a job at the Library of Congress, she came out to HR as transgender, and the job offer was withdrawn. The withdrawal was not based on her fitness for the job, but purely because she was transgender. But for the fact that she was transgender, the Library of Congress would not have withdrawn the offer, and this was clearly a case of discrimination based on transphobia. Similarly, imagine a date thats going well. Theres mutual physical attraction and definite chemistry. Then you find out theyre transgender via conversation, and end the date right then and there. But for the fact that the other person was transgender, this would have been a really good date, and you probably would have seen them again. This is discrimination against the transgender person for being transgender. Obviously, this isnt illegal, nor should it be. But, from a logical standpoint, yes, this is discriminatory and transphobic. Similarly, the belief that all transgender people are unattractive to you, and that you could not have chemistry with them, or you religiously object to transgender people, and even when presented evidence to the contrary, is an expression of transphobia. Smackems posted... SUPA STRATE c Is this a SUPERHOT reference because thats what kept playing in my head when the term super straight first started getting bandied about lol --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:959450124] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>David1988 posted... </cite> <quote>what if someone doesnt want to be with a transwoman because they dont find penis sexually arousing</quote> Is it transphobic to have a genital preference? I would argue that it is not, using the sort of logic that would be used in legal circles. Namely, this rule can theoretically be applied neutrally across cisgender and transgender people. Thus, the rule of, I am not attracted to people with a vagina or, I am not attracted to people with a penis can be equally applied to both cisgender women and transgender men. The legal realm also provides insight into whether something is inherently transphobic in and of itself. There is a legal concept called the but for test, where but for a certain fact or action, something would not have happened. It is also referred to as the sine qua non rule, which means "without which there is not." In civil rights cases, this is a crucial test to see if individuals are being discriminated against. For example, if a woman was fired for wearing pants to work instead of a dress, and her male co-workers wore similar pants, but for the fact that she was a woman, she would not have been fired, and this constitutes a clear case of sex discrimination. Applying this concept using previous case law is illustrative. After Diane Schroer was offered a job at the Library of Congress, she came out to HR as transgender, and the job offer was withdrawn. The withdrawal was not based on her fitness for the job, but purely because she was transgender. But for the fact that she was transgender, the Library of Congress would not have withdrawn the offer, and this was clearly a case of discrimination based on transphobia. Similarly, imagine a date thats going well. Theres mutual physical attraction and definite chemistry. Then you find out theyre transgender via conversation, and end the date right then and there. But for the fact that the other person was transgender, this would have been a really good date, and you probably would have seen them again. This is discrimination against the transgender person for being transgender. Obviously, this isnt illegal, nor should it be. But, from a logical standpoint, yes, this is discriminatory and transphobic. Similarly, the belief that all transgender people are unattractive to you, and that you could not have chemistry with them, or you religiously object to transgender people, and even when presented evidence to the contrary, is an expression of transphobia. Smackems posted... </cite> <quote>SUPA STRATE c</quote> Is this a SUPERHOT reference because thats what kept playing in my head when the term super straight first started getting bandied about lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ekie 10/27/21 6:53:00 PM #222:	CyricZ posted... I honestly cannot answer this question conclusively, but given what I know of current GCS capabilities, I'd probably have a tough time distinguishing. And please tell us what the point of GCS is? Why is it needed if there's absolutely no difference? --- ALL HAIL LORD DUNCAN! https://imgur.com/vsYREtU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZc3uq56JKU <cite>ekie posted [p:959450226] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>I honestly cannot answer this question conclusively, but given what I know of current GCS capabilities, I'd probably have a tough time distinguishing.</quote> And please tell us what the point of GCS is? Why is it needed if there's absolutely no difference? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
One_Day_Remains 10/27/21 6:54:01 PM #223:	ekie posted... So if a gay man doesn't want to have sex with a woman does that make him heterophobic This retort gets stupider and stupider the more it gets used --- Ten sounds sound like bloated constipated arena rock - GhettoFlip <cite>One_Day_Remains posted [p:959450261] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>ekie posted...</cite> <quote>So if a gay man doesn't want to have sex with a woman does that make him heterophobic</quote> This retort gets stupider and stupider the more it gets used</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Arcanine2009 10/27/21 6:55:59 PM #224:	MrToothHasYou posted... Sorry but Im not gonna sugarcoat it for people. If you have a preference of only liking white women, thats rooted in racism. If you have a preference of only liking cis women, thats rooted in transphobia. So is it heterophobic if a lesbian woman refuses to date straight men, or homophobic if a straight man refuses to date other men? --- Less is more. Everything you want, isn't everything you need. <cite>Arcanine2009 posted [p:959450317] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>MrToothHasYou posted... </cite> <quote>Sorry but Im not gonna sugarcoat it for people. If you have a preference of only liking white women, thats rooted in racism. If you have a preference of only liking cis women, thats rooted in transphobia.</quote>So is it heterophobic if a lesbian woman refuses to date straight men, or homophobic if a straight man refuses to date other men? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
One_Day_Remains 10/27/21 6:58:17 PM #225:	Not wanting to date transgender people because you "feel" they're off based on who they were born as isn't a sexual orientation. So you can toss those dumb false equivalences out the window. --- Ten sounds sound like bloated constipated arena rock - GhettoFlip <cite>One_Day_Remains posted [p:959450394] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>Not wanting to date transgender people because you "feel" they're off based on who they were born as isn't a sexual orientation. So you can toss those dumb false equivalences out the window.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 10/27/21 7:01:08 PM #227:	ekie posted... And please tell us what the point of GCS is? Why is it needed if there's absolutely no difference? Uh, is this a trick question? People get GCS to appear as they envision themselves, which can be important for their mental health. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:959450480] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>ekie posted... </cite> <quote>And please tell us what the point of GCS is? Why is it needed if there's absolutely no difference?</quote>Uh, is this a trick question? People get GCS to appear as they envision themselves, which can be important for their mental health. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smackems 10/27/21 7:01:45 PM #228:	Why are people so upset about who other people wanna fuck --- Common sense charged before shipping - some dude <cite>Smackems posted [p:959450507] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>Why are people so upset about who other people wanna fuck </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/27/21 7:08:10 PM #229:	Honestly, it concerns me far less about who people like than it does who people feel confident and comfortable saying, in broad strokes, who they don't like. Like if you don't want to date trans people, fine, but what do you gain by sharing that? --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:959450692] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>Honestly, it concerns me far less about who people like than it does who people feel confident and comfortable saying, in broad strokes, who they don't like. Like if you don't want to date trans people, fine, but what do you gain by sharing that? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 10/27/21 7:09:59 PM #230:	CyricZ posted... Like if you don't want to date trans people, fine, but what do you gain by sharing that? I reckon it's exactly the same as a lesbian who shares that she won't date men, or a gay man who shares that he doesn't date women. Why does anybody share anything at all about their preferences? --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:959450733] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote> Like if you don't want to date trans people, fine, but what do you gain by sharing that?</quote>I reckon it's exactly the same as a lesbian who shares that she won't date men, or a gay man who shares that he doesn't date women. Why does anybody share anything at all about their preferences? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/27/21 7:13:15 PM #231:	Gobstoppers12 posted... I reckon it's exactly the same as a lesbian who shares that they don't date men, or a gay man who shares that he doesn't date women. Under what circumstances would they say that, though? --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:959450833] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>I reckon it's exactly the same as a lesbian who shares that they don't date men, or a gay man who shares that he doesn't date women.</quote>Under what circumstances would they say that, though? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ekie 10/27/21 7:14:20 PM #232:	Smackems posted... Why are people so upset about who other people wanna fuck Reminds me of the right and their crusade against being gay back in the day Bingo. --- ALL HAIL LORD DUNCAN! https://imgur.com/vsYREtU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZc3uq56JKU <cite>ekie posted [p:959450862] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>Smackems posted... </cite> <quote>Why are people so upset about who other people wanna fuck Reminds me of the right and their crusade against being gay back in the day</quote> Bingo. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
David1988 10/27/21 7:14:26 PM #233:	Shablagoo posted... Similarly, imagine a date thats going well. Theres mutual physical attraction and definite chemistry. Then you find out theyre transgender via conversation, and end the date right then and there. But for the fact that the other person was transgender, this would have been a really good date, and you probably would have seen them again. This is discrimination against the transgender person for being transgender. Obviously, this isnt illegal, nor should it be. But, from a logical standpoint, yes, this is discriminatory and transphobic. Similarly, the belief that all transgender people are unattractive to you, and that you could not have chemistry with them, or you religiously object to transgender people, and even when presented evidence to the contrary, is an expression of transphobia. what if youre ok with continuing the date if the transgender person is post-op and has a vagina but dont want to continue the date if she a penis because you know you dont find penis arousing? Would that still be transphobic? I can understand why that would be discriminatory, but I dont see why that would be transphobic, something which is based in hate and malice. --- "Let's be honest...I'm everybody's type. I just gotta highlight the parts that appeal to her the most" - No_U_L7 <cite>David1988 posted [p:959450865] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>Similarly, imagine a date thats going well. Theres mutual physical attraction and definite chemistry. Then you find out theyre transgender via conversation, and end the date right then and there. But for the fact that the other person was transgender, this would have been a really good date, and you probably would have seen them again. This is discrimination against the transgender person for being transgender. Obviously, this isnt illegal, nor should it be. But, from a logical standpoint, yes, this is discriminatory and transphobic. Similarly, the belief that all transgender people are unattractive to you, and that you could not have chemistry with them, or you religiously object to transgender people, and even when presented evidence to the contrary, is an expression of transphobia.</quote> what if youre ok with continuing the date if the transgender person is post-op and has a vagina but dont want to continue the date if she a penis because you know you dont find penis arousing? Would that still be transphobic? I can understand why that would be discriminatory, but I dont see why that would be transphobic, something which is based in hate and malice. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 10/27/21 7:19:02 PM #234:	CyricZ posted... Under what circumstances would they say that, though? Any and all circumstances under which the subject might come up, of course. People talk about sex, attraction, and dating a lot in normal life. It's not some taboo subject that nobody ever talks about; it's actually very common to discuss it with people, especially when you first meet them or when the conversation turns toward the subject of dating, romance, etc. Do you talk to many people outside of your close circle of friends? --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:959451006] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Under what circumstances would they say that, though?</quote>Any and all circumstances under which the subject might come up, of course. People talk about sex, attraction, and dating a lot in normal life. It's not some taboo subject that nobody ever talks about; it's actually very common to discuss it with people, especially when you first meet them or when the conversation turns toward the subject of dating, romance, etc. Do you talk to many people outside of your close circle of friends? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AsucaHayashi 10/27/21 7:19:09 PM #235:	Smackems posted... Why are people so upset about who other people wanna fuck Reminds me of the right and their crusade against being gay back in the day there's definitely a very sith-like "you're either with me or against me" absolutes approach towards having a certain ideology accepted, an approach that has been seen many times before and in not so good circumstances. --- http://abload.de/img/pcgamingxtuvt.jpg https://imgur.com/9Yv0R2Z <cite>AsucaHayashi posted [p:959451011] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>Smackems posted... </cite> <quote>Why are people so upset about who other people wanna fuck Reminds me of the right and their crusade against being gay back in the day</quote> there's definitely a very sith-like "you're either with me or against me" absolutes approach towards having a certain ideology accepted, an approach that has been seen many times before and in not so good circumstances. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ColdOne666 10/27/21 7:21:14 PM #236:	shockthemonkey posted... If a person has the appearance, personality, genitals, ability to conceive, etc. that youre attracted to and your only complaint is that theyre trans, what word would you use to describe that? You here not meaning anyone here personally, just in a general hypothetical sense. Biological Men cant give birth, your not making any sense whatsoever. --- Aussie Aussie Aussie OI OI OI! <cite>ColdOne666 posted [p:959451071] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted... </cite> <quote>If a person has the appearance, personality, genitals, ability to conceive, etc. that youre attracted to and your only complaint is that theyre trans, what word would you use to describe that? You here not meaning anyone here personally, just in a general hypothetical sense.</quote> Biological Men cant give birth, your not making any sense whatsoever. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nfearurspecimn 10/27/21 7:22:28 PM #237:	In a perfect world, sure. --- Wake up. You have to wake up. currently a preta/hungry ghost Dai Grepher: I was wrong. My entire theory is incorrect. Zero Mission IS a remake of Metroid. <cite>nfearurspecimn posted [p:959451106] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>In a perfect world, sure. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AuroraUnit836 10/27/21 7:24:20 PM #238:	Why are there so many topics about trans people --- woogity woogity woogity ink me tf UP 1246-3783-6509 <cite>AuroraUnit836 posted [p:959451160] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>Why are there so many topics about trans people </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UndefeatedGOAT 10/27/21 7:25:13 PM #239:	David1988 posted... what if youre ok with continuing the date if the transgender person is post-op and has a vagina but dont want to continue the date if she a penis because you know you dont find penis arousing? Would that still be transphobic? I can understand why that would be discriminatory, but I dont see why that would be transphobic, something which is based in hate and malice. is there anyone who really thinks this way? I'm just playing devils advocate btw i wouldnt date a trans person you find a post op vagina more appealing than a penis? and thats the dealbreaker? <cite>UndefeatedGOAT posted [p:959451186] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>David1988 posted...</cite> <quote> what if youre ok with continuing the date if the transgender person is post-op and has a vagina but dont want to continue the date if she a penis because you know you dont find penis arousing? Would that still be transphobic? I can understand why that would be discriminatory, but I dont see why that would be transphobic, something which is based in hate and malice. </quote> is there anyone who really thinks this way? I'm just playing devils advocate btw i wouldnt date a trans person you find a post op vagina more appealing than a penis? and thats the dealbreaker?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nfearurspecimn 10/27/21 7:25:26 PM #240:	AuroraUnit836 posted... Why are there so many topics about trans people people can't shut up about it and always have to have a say about it --- Wake up. You have to wake up. currently a preta/hungry ghost Dai Grepher: I was wrong. My entire theory is incorrect. Zero Mission IS a remake of Metroid. <cite>nfearurspecimn posted [p:959451197] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>AuroraUnit836 posted... </cite> <quote>Why are there so many topics about trans people</quote>people can't shut up about it and always have to have a say about it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 10/27/21 7:25:29 PM #241:	AuroraUnit836 posted... Why are there so many topics about trans people It's a pretty relevant issue these days. That's like asking "Why were there so many topics about Trump while he was president?" --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:959451201] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>AuroraUnit836 posted... </cite> <quote>Why are there so many topics about trans people</quote>It's a pretty relevant issue these days. That's like asking "Why were there so many topics about Trump while he was president?" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/27/21 7:26:03 PM #242:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Do you talk to many people outside of your close circle of friends? Uh yeah a ton. "Who I want to screw" doesn't really come up much. Tends to be personal. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:959451227] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>Do you talk to many people outside of your close circle of friends?</quote>Uh yeah a ton. "Who I want to screw" doesn't really come up much. Tends to be personal. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 10/27/21 7:27:24 PM #243:	CyricZ posted... Uh yeah a ton. "Who I want to screw" doesn't really come up much. Tends to be personal. Different circles, I suppose. Point being, it's not an uncommon subject. People I knew in college couldn't help but talk about their sexual orientation on a near-weekly basis. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:959451261] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Uh yeah a ton. "Who I want to screw" doesn't really come up much. Tends to be personal.</quote>Different circles, I suppose. Point being, it's not an uncommon subject. People I knew in college couldn't help but talk about their sexual orientation on a near-weekly basis. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 10/27/21 7:28:19 PM #244:	David1988 posted... what if youre ok with continuing the date if the transgender person is post-op and has a vagina but dont want to continue the date if she a penis because you know you dont find penis arousing? Would that still be transphobic? I can understand why that would be discriminatory, but I dont see why that would be transphobic, something which is based in hate and malice. That would not be transphobic, since your aversion is the genitals and not the fact that they're trans --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:959451292] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>David1988 posted... </cite> <quote>what if youre ok with continuing the date if the transgender person is post-op and has a vagina but dont want to continue the date if she a penis because you know you dont find penis arousing? Would that still be transphobic? I can understand why that would be discriminatory, but I dont see why that would be transphobic, something which is based in hate and malice.</quote>That would not be transphobic, since your aversion is the genitals and not the fact that they're trans </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/27/21 7:29:46 PM #245:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Different circles, I suppose. Point being, it's not an uncommon subject. People I knew in college couldn't help but talk about their sexual orientation on a near-weekly basis. Okay, but something tells me that, for example, you don't discuss what race you won't date. Then again, like you said, different circles. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:959451350] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>Different circles, I suppose. Point being, it's not an uncommon subject. People I knew in college couldn't help but talk about their sexual orientation on a near-weekly basis.</quote>Okay, but something tells me that, for example, you don't discuss what race you won't date. Then again, like you said, different circles. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 10/27/21 7:29:51 PM #246:	David1988 posted... what if youre ok with continuing the date if the transgender person is post-op and has a vagina but dont want to continue the date if she a penis because you know you dont find penis arousing? Would that still be transphobic? I can understand why that would be discriminatory, but I dont see why that would be transphobic, something which is based in hate and malice. Nope, like I said at the top of the post I dont think thats transphobic because youre applying it universally and not just to trans people. ColdOne666 posted... Biological Men cant give birth, your not making any sense whatsoever. When was the last time someone started a date with a demand that the other person provide a sperm count lab result? Or made them fill out a questionnaire about the regularity of their menses? --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:959451354] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>David1988 posted... </cite> <quote>what if youre ok with continuing the date if the transgender person is post-op and has a vagina but dont want to continue the date if she a penis because you know you dont find penis arousing? Would that still be transphobic? I can understand why that would be discriminatory, but I dont see why that would be transphobic, something which is based in hate and malice.</quote> Nope, like I said at the top of the post I dont think thats transphobic because youre applying it universally and not just to trans people. ColdOne666 posted... </cite> <quote>Biological Men cant give birth, your not making any sense whatsoever.</quote> When was the last time someone started a date with a demand that the other person provide a sperm count lab result? Or made them fill out a questionnaire about the regularity of their menses? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
David1988 10/27/21 7:32:04 PM #247:	CyricZ posted... Uh yeah a ton. "Who I want to screw" doesn't really come up much. Tends to be personal. weird, I dont even talk to many people and the topic of what someone finds attractive or unattractive doesnt seem wholly uncommon to me, just happens spontaneously in conversations every now and then. More uncommon that talking about the weather or sports sure, but not so uncommon it very rarely comes up. --- "Let's be honest...I'm everybody's type. I just gotta highlight the parts that appeal to her the most" - No_U_L7 <cite>David1988 posted [p:959451434] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Uh yeah a ton. "Who I want to screw" doesn't really come up much. Tends to be personal.</quote> weird, I dont even talk to many people and the topic of what someone finds attractive or unattractive doesnt seem wholly uncommon to me, just happens spontaneously in conversations every now and then. More uncommon that talking about the weather or sports sure, but not so uncommon it very rarely comes up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EffectAndCause 10/27/21 7:33:35 PM #248:	Why dont transgender people just accept that they have a smaller dating pool because of their unique situation? It shouldnt be an upsetting thing, it should just be Yeah it makes sense based on global percentages, hopefully I meet a good person thats attracted to transgenders. not YOU BETTER BE ATTRACTED TO ME, I DEMAND IT. --- https://imgur.com/wMshiEN <cite>EffectAndCause posted [p:959451482] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>Why dont transgender people just accept that they have a smaller dating pool because of their unique situation? It shouldnt be an upsetting thing, it should just be Yeah it makes sense based on global percentages, hopefully I meet a good person thats attracted to transgenders. not YOU BETTER BE ATTRACTED TO ME, I DEMAND IT. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 10/27/21 7:38:42 PM #249:	EffectAndCause posted... Why dont transgender people just accept that they have a smaller dating pool because of their unique situation? It shouldnt be an upsetting thing, it should just be Yeah it makes sense based on global percentages, hopefully I meet a good person thats attracted to transgenders. not YOU BETTER BE ATTRACTED TO ME, I DEMAND IT. No ones saying that people owe transgender people dating opportunities or sex, we are pointing out that flat rejection of any possibility of dating any transgender people is rooted in an irrational bias against transgender people themselves. --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:959451644] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>EffectAndCause posted... </cite> <quote>Why dont transgender people just accept that they have a smaller dating pool because of their unique situation? It shouldnt be an upsetting thing, it should just be Yeah it makes sense based on global percentages, hopefully I meet a good person thats attracted to transgenders. not YOU BETTER BE ATTRACTED TO ME, I DEMAND IT.</quote> No ones saying that people owe transgender people dating opportunities or sex, we are pointing out that flat rejection of any possibility of dating any transgender people is rooted in an irrational bias against transgender people themselves. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 10/27/21 7:41:02 PM #250:	CyricZ posted... Okay, but something tells me that, for example, you don't discuss what race you won't date. I hear plenty of people talking about this. And probably not saying what you would expect them to say. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:959451720] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Okay, but something tells me that, for example, you don't discuss what race you won't date.</quote>I hear plenty of people talking about this. And probably not saying what you would expect them to say. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EffectAndCause 10/27/21 7:42:29 PM #251:	Shablagoo posted... we are pointing out that flat rejection of any possibility of dating any transgender people is rooted in an irrational bias against transgender people themselves But its NOT though. If I could flip a switch in my DNA and decide to be attracted to everyone and effectively double my dating pool I would, but it doesnt work like that. --- https://imgur.com/wMshiEN <cite>EffectAndCause posted [p:959451770] in Should a t... [t:79731008]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>we are pointing out that flat rejection of any possibility of dating any transgender people is rooted in an irrational bias against transgender people themselves</quote> But its NOT though. If I could flip a switch in my DNA and decide to be attracted to everyone and effectively double my dating pool I would, but it doesnt work like that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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