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TreyFlowers 10/25/21 10:22:55 PM #1:	If you disagree, go live in a cave in the middle of nowhere where you can't hurt your fellow man. --- ...for it is better to be alone than in bad company. <cite>TreyFlowers posted [p:959390073] in The greate... [t:79728489]...</cite> <quote>If you disagree, go live in a cave in the middle of nowhere where you can't hurt your fellow man. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g980 10/25/21 10:24:24 PM #2:	Balance is important If you want to forsake all individual liberties for the common good, go live in a labor camp in north korea --- These old bones live to learn her wanton ways: (I measure time by how a body sways). <cite>g980 posted [p:959390120] in The greate... [t:79728489]...</cite> <quote>Balance is important If you want to forsake all individual liberties for the common good, go live in a labor camp in north korea</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g980 10/25/21 10:25:12 PM #3:	and there is a good argument that individual liberties are a necessary part of any social goodness --- These old bones live to learn her wanton ways: (I measure time by how a body sways). <cite>g980 posted [p:959390146] in The greate... [t:79728489]...</cite> <quote>and there is a good argument that individual liberties are a necessary part of any social goodness</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 10/25/21 10:25:43 PM #4:	depends on who is deciding what the "greater good of society" is. stalin and hitler thought they were doing their very best to fix society after all. --- Taarsidath-an halsaam. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:959390156] in The greate... [t:79728489]...</cite> <quote>depends on who is deciding what the "greater good of society" is. stalin and hitler thought they were doing their very best to fix society after all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sabrestorm 10/25/21 10:26:46 PM #5:	g980 posted... Balance is important If you want to forsake all individual liberties for the common good, go live in a labor camp in north korea this --- No worries no, dilemmas no <cite>sabrestorm posted [p:959390182] in The greate... [t:79728489]...</cite> <quote>g980 posted... </cite> <quote>Balance is important If you want to forsake all individual liberties for the common good, go live in a labor camp in north korea</quote> this </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smackems 10/25/21 10:28:59 PM #6:	I'm already in a cave --- Common sense charged before shipping - some dude <cite>Smackems posted [p:959390254] in The greate... [t:79728489]...</cite> <quote>I'm already in a cave </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vicious_Dios 10/25/21 10:30:24 PM #7:	TreyFlowers posted... If you disagree, go live in a cave in the middle of nowhere where you can't hurt your fellow man. Strongly disagree, and no... I don't think will. I'm fine right where I'm at. --- S / K / Y / N / E <cite>Vicious_Dios posted [p:959390295] in The greate... [t:79728489]...</cite> <quote>TreyFlowers posted... </cite> <quote>If you disagree, go live in a cave in the middle of nowhere where you can't hurt your fellow man.</quote> Strongly disagree, and no... I don't think will. I'm fine right where I'm at. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
furb 10/25/21 10:33:33 PM #8:	The common good is liberty for the individual insofar as such individual liberty does not inflict undue harm to the community at large. I would assert that any society that purports the common good is anything but this premise is not truly good. Meaning that any society that completely crushes indiviudal liberty in the name of the common good is not seeking any form of transcendental, true common good. A society that purely seeks individual liberty, insofar as such an arrangement is a society at all, spurns the reponsability of common good in a flourish of nastiness and brutishness. IMO of course --- You know how fads are. Today it's brains, tomorrow, pierced tongues. Then the next day, pierced brains. -Jane Lane <cite>furb posted [p:959390380] in The greate... [t:79728489]...</cite> <quote>The common good is liberty for the individual insofar as such individual liberty does not inflict undue harm to the community at large. I would assert that any society that purports the common good is anything but this premise is not truly good. Meaning that any society that completely crushes indiviudal liberty in the name of the common good is not seeking any form of transcendental, true common good. A society that purely seeks individual liberty, insofar as such an arrangement is a society at all, spurns the reponsability of common good in a flourish of nastiness and brutishness. IMO of course </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Payzmaykr 10/25/21 10:36:40 PM #9:	You cant live in a cave in the middle of nowhere anymore. You would either be trespassing on private property or on federal land. You are basically required to pay either rent or property taxes now, so the whole concept of living for free doesnt exist anymore unless you have a friend or family member with tons of property who doesnt mind you doing so. Its even a crime to be a homeless vagrant in some places. --- So long, Thanks for all the fish! <cite>Payzmaykr posted [p:959390484] in The greate... [t:79728489]...</cite> <quote>You cant live in a cave in the middle of nowhere anymore. You would either be trespassing on private property or on federal land. You are basically required to pay either rent or property taxes now, so the whole concept of living for free doesnt exist anymore unless you have a friend or family member with tons of property who doesnt mind you doing so. Its even a crime to be a homeless vagrant in some places. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emmo 10/25/21 10:41:02 PM #10:	Counterargument: The overwhelming complexity of societal dynamics renders subjective, one-liner, blanket-statement assertions essentially meaningless in contrast. --- Let go of my foot. <cite>emmo posted [p:959390585] in The greate... [t:79728489]...</cite> <quote>Counterargument: The overwhelming complexity of societal dynamics renders subjective, one-liner, blanket-statement assertions essentially meaningless in contrast. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
furb 10/25/21 10:41:33 PM #11:	Payzmaykr posted... You cant live in a cave in the middle of nowhere anymore. You would either be trespassing on private property or on federal land. You are basically required to pay either rent or property taxes now, so the whole concept of living for free doesnt exist anymore unless you have a friend or family member with tons of property who doesnt mind you doing so. Its even a crime to be a homeless vagrant in some places. You know, that's sort of in line with the frontier theory. Societies with frontiers provide a pressure valve for the disaffected to live without threatening the parent society. Issues arise after all the frontier is used up, land and resources are claimed, and the disaffected have no option but collide with the conventional body politic. --- You know how fads are. Today it's brains, tomorrow, pierced tongues. Then the next day, pierced brains. -Jane Lane <cite>furb posted [p:959390599] in The greate... [t:79728489]...</cite> <quote>Payzmaykr posted... </cite> <quote>You cant live in a cave in the middle of nowhere anymore. You would either be trespassing on private property or on federal land. You are basically required to pay either rent or property taxes now, so the whole concept of living for free doesnt exist anymore unless you have a friend or family member with tons of property who doesnt mind you doing so. Its even a crime to be a homeless vagrant in some places.</quote> You know, that's sort of in line with the frontier theory. Societies with frontiers provide a pressure valve for the disaffected to live without threatening the parent society. Issues arise after all the frontier is used up, land and resources are claimed, and the disaffected have no option but collide with the conventional body politic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TreyFlowers 10/25/21 10:44:09 PM #13:	g980 posted... and there is a good argument that individual liberties are a necessary part of any social goodness [LFAQs-redacted-quote] True --- ...for it is better to be alone than in bad company. <cite>TreyFlowers posted [p:959390686] in The greate... [t:79728489]...</cite> <quote>g980 posted... </cite> <quote>and there is a good argument that individual liberties are a necessary part of any social goodness</quote> <cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> True </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
furb 10/25/21 10:44:59 PM #14:	Liberty requires securing. The mechanism for securing liberty is the state -- without it, Hobbes' war of all against all triumphs, providing only ephemeral flickers of personal liberty. --- You know how fads are. Today it's brains, tomorrow, pierced tongues. Then the next day, pierced brains. -Jane Lane <cite>furb posted [p:959390715] in The greate... [t:79728489]...</cite> <quote>Liberty requires securing. The mechanism for securing liberty is the state -- without it, Hobbes' war of all against all triumphs, providing only ephemeral flickers of personal liberty. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unsugarized_Foo 10/25/21 10:47:05 PM #15:	The greater good of a society is the culmination of men's free will expressed amongst each other in homogeneity. If ones creator desired society to move as one, he would have not designed man in the manner we currently reside. So it is only such that the conclusion is that the freedom and liberty of man is indeed some Godly gift in his image. - Thomas Jefferson possibly --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana <cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted [p:959390768] in The greate... [t:79728489]...</cite> <quote>The greater good of a society is the culmination of men's free will expressed amongst each other in homogeneity. If ones creator desired society to move as one, he would have not designed man in the manner we currently reside. So it is only such that the conclusion is that the freedom and liberty of man is indeed some Godly gift in his image. - Thomas Jefferson possibly </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TreyFlowers 10/25/21 10:47:52 PM #16:	Unsugarized_Foo posted... The greater good of a society is the culmination of men's free will expressed amongst each other in homogeneity. If ones creator desired society to move as one, he would have not designed man in the manner we currently reside. So it is only such that the conclusion is that the freedom and liberty of man is indeed some Godly gift in his image. - Thomas Jefferson possibly That's all well and good if you're religious --- ...for it is better to be alone than in bad company. <cite>TreyFlowers posted [p:959390788] in The greate... [t:79728489]...</cite> <quote>Unsugarized_Foo posted... </cite> <quote>The greater good of a society is the culmination of men's free will expressed amongst each other in homogeneity. If ones creator desired society to move as one, he would have not designed man in the manner we currently reside. So it is only such that the conclusion is that the freedom and liberty of man is indeed some Godly gift in his image. - Thomas Jefferson possibly</quote> That's all well and good if you're religious </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 10/25/21 10:52:31 PM #17:	g980 posted... Balance is important If you want to forsake all individual liberties for the common good, go live in a labor camp in north korea What common good are the labor camps in Korea doing out of curiosity. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:959390915] in The greate... [t:79728489]...</cite> <quote>g980 posted... </cite> <quote>Balance is important If you want to forsake all individual liberties for the common good, go live in a labor camp in north korea</quote>What common good are the labor camps in Korea doing out of curiosity. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g980 10/25/21 11:06:55 PM #18:	Tyranthraxus posted... What common good are the labor camps in Korea doing out of curiosity. not much, see my second post --- These old bones live to learn her wanton ways: (I measure time by how a body sways). <cite>g980 posted [p:959391324] in The greate... [t:79728489]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote> What common good are the labor camps in Korea doing out of curiosity. </quote> not much, see my second post</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 10/25/21 11:09:54 PM #19:	Obviously. --- Hard times (happiest days of my life) hard times gone by <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:959391394] in The greate... [t:79728489]...</cite> <quote>Obviously. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThisWaterIsDry 10/25/21 11:10:38 PM #20:	Tell that to the people with blue hair --- H2O <cite>ThisWaterIsDry posted [p:959391422] in The greate... [t:79728489]...</cite> <quote>Tell that to the people with blue hair </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 10/25/21 11:38:48 PM #21:	ThisWaterIsDry posted... Tell that to the people with blue hair Okay, boomer. --- Hard times (happiest days of my life) hard times gone by <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:959392104] in The greate... [t:79728489]...</cite> <quote>ThisWaterIsDry posted... </cite> <quote>Tell that to the people with blue hair</quote>Okay, boomer. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
furb 10/25/21 11:40:57 PM #22:	Yeah I like blue hair what's the problem with it exactly? Blue hair sounds like good old fashion personal liberty to me --- You know how fads are. Today it's brains, tomorrow, pierced tongues. Then the next day, pierced brains. -Jane Lane <cite>furb posted [p:959392160] in The greate... [t:79728489]...</cite> <quote>Yeah I like blue hair what's the problem with it exactly? Blue hair sounds like good old fashion personal liberty to me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 10/25/21 11:43:44 PM #23:	furb posted... Yeah I like blue hair what's the problem with it exactly? Old people still mad about the 80s, inexplicably trolling on a gaming message board. That's my guess. Blue hair sounds like good old fashion personal liberty to me Yeah but if they have blue hair, it's bad for everyone else somehow. I guess. I dunno what the grandpas' reasoning is. --- Hard times (happiest days of my life) hard times gone by <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:959392228] in The greate... [t:79728489]...</cite> <quote>furb posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah I like blue hair what's the problem with it exactly?</quote>Old people still mad about the 80s, inexplicably trolling on a gaming message board. That's my guess. <quote>Blue hair sounds like good old fashion personal liberty to me</quote>Yeah but if they have blue hair, it's bad for everyone else somehow. I guess. I dunno what the grandpas' reasoning is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 10/25/21 11:44:50 PM #24:	g980 posted... Balance is important If you want to forsake all individual liberties for the common good, go live in a labor camp in north korea Fucking lol because North Korea is such a bastion of common good for its people. --- All posters and events depicted in this post are entirely fictitious. Any similarity to actual events or posters, living or dead, is purely coincidental. <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:959392248] in The greate... [t:79728489]...</cite> <quote>g980 posted... </cite> <quote>Balance is important If you want to forsake all individual liberties for the common good, go live in a labor camp in north korea</quote>Fucking lol because North Korea is such a bastion of common good for its people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 10/26/21 11:58:02 AM #25:	Payzmaykr posted... You cant live in a cave in the middle of nowhere anymore. You would either be trespassing on private property or on federal land. Turns out that civilizations all across the political spectrum "solved" Tragedy of the Commons by eliminating the commons. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:959404206] in The greate... [t:79728489]...</cite> <quote>Payzmaykr posted... </cite> <quote>You cant live in a cave in the middle of nowhere anymore. You would either be trespassing on private property or on federal land.</quote>Turns out that civilizations all across the political spectrum "solved" Tragedy of the Commons by eliminating the commons. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PMarth2002 10/26/21 12:10:46 PM #26:	I think the best way towards the greater good is to respect people's individual liberties. --- They have taken untold millions that they never toiled to earn But without our brain and muscle not a single wheel can turn <cite>PMarth2002 posted [p:959404542] in The greate... [t:79728489]...</cite> <quote>I think the best way towards the greater good is to respect people's individual liberties. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pinky0926 10/26/21 12:13:27 PM #28:	I agree with the topic title in theory but the rhetoric is straight out of the autocrats playbook. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:959404625] in The greate... [t:79728489]...</cite> <quote>I agree with the topic title in theory but the rhetoric is straight out of the autocrats playbook. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
unnamedsoldier 10/26/21 12:16:55 PM #29:	Collectivism is bad <cite>unnamedsoldier posted [p:959404720] in The greate... [t:79728489]...</cite> <quote>Collectivism is bad</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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