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ForsakenHermit
10/25/21 5:21:45 PM
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Nobody thinks it will, stop peddling this pseudo-intellectual sewage. It's a stupid person's idea of a smart statement.

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Tyranthraxus
10/25/21 5:23:02 PM
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Making this topic won't bring black man ass back

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Veggeta_MAX
10/25/21 5:23:08 PM
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Revenge is dumb tho

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ForsakenHermit
10/25/21 5:24:06 PM
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Veggeta_MAX posted...
Revenge is dumb tho
Then find a way to argue that position in a way that isn't utter pig shit.

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MacadamianNut3
10/25/21 5:24:26 PM
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Punishing someone for committing a crime won't undo the crime

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Irony
10/25/21 5:25:13 PM
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Doing your mom won't bring disco back

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Tyranthraxus
10/25/21 5:25:18 PM
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MacadamianNut3 posted...
Punishing someone for committing a crime won't undo the crime

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But like what if the crime is stealing and the punishment is to make them pay for it?

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MacadamianNut3
10/25/21 5:25:51 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
But like what if the crime is stealing and the punishment is to make them pay for it?
What if I stole your heart

How much is that worth to you

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SoIidLegacy
10/25/21 5:26:37 PM
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It's in the same category as:
No matter how much we mess up the environment, Earth will survive.

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Tyranthraxus
10/25/21 5:27:08 PM
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MacadamianNut3 posted...
What if I stole your heart

How much is that worth to you

You can't steal that. It's already yours.

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EmbraceOfDeath
10/25/21 5:27:39 PM
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ForsakenHermit posted...
Then find a way to argue that position in a way that isn't utter pig shit.
Considering revenge is based in emotion in the first place and not rationality, the idea should be dismissed outright, not argued against.

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ForsakenHermit
10/25/21 5:27:52 PM
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SoIidLegacy posted...
It's in the same category as:
No matter how much we mess up the environment, Earth will survive.
At least that makes a distinction between the ecosystem and the rock it's on.

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Irony
10/25/21 5:28:04 PM
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I cri evrytim

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ForsakenHermit
10/25/21 5:29:10 PM
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EmbraceOfDeath posted...
Considering revenge is based in emotion in the first place and not rationality, the idea should be dismissed outright, not argued against.
Emotion is part of what makes us human. No person lives on logic and reason alone.

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MacadamianNut3
10/25/21 5:29:25 PM
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SoIidLegacy posted...
It's in the same category as:
No matter how much we mess up the environment, Earth will survive.
I legit wonder if the people who say "humans can't destroy Earth it will still be here" have holes in their brain. No shit Sherlock the Earth will still physically exist. That's not the argument

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MacadamianNut3
10/25/21 5:29:53 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
You can't steal that. It's already yours.
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Damn_Underscore
10/25/21 5:32:32 PM
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Its a literally true statement that could lessen someones desire for revenge if realized.

I really dont see whats wrong with it.

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ForsakenHermit
10/25/21 5:34:48 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
Its a literally true statement that could lessen someones desire for revenge if realized.

I really dont see whats wrong with it.
Except this assumption is based on thinking that someone's goal is to bring back something or undo damage that has been done. If that's not the goal someone has in committing revenge you could just piss them off even more.

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Damn_Underscore
10/25/21 5:37:55 PM
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Well saying it to someone implies that they could be talked out of committing revenge.

If nothing can be undone, a lot of the justification for revenge is gone.

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Tyranthraxus
10/25/21 5:39:03 PM
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ForsakenHermit posted...
Except this assumption is based on thinking that someone's goal is to bring back something or undo damage that has been done. If that's not the goal someone has in committing revenge you could just piss them off even more.

I mean in a fantasy Hollywood scenario sure the statement makes no sense and is usually uttered in a context where the said target is going to escape any other kind of justice.

IRL things aren't so dramatic and the main goal would be stopping someone from doing something stupid out of rage.

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Questionmarktarius
10/25/21 5:40:33 PM
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What, are Nacho Fries back again?
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ForsakenHermit
10/25/21 5:42:29 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
Well saying it to someone implies that they could be talked out of committing revenge.

If nothing can be undone, a lot of the justification for revenge is gone.
Not if you want the person to suffer in some way to make them remember and think about what they've done. I'm not saying this is a good idea btw.

Not to mention this line of reasoning can be extended to having people walk all over you. In my experiences sometimes you have to settle the score with someone before they get the message to leave you the fuck alone.


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ForsakenHermit
10/25/21 5:44:15 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
I mean in a fantasy Hollywood scenario sure the statement makes no sense and is usually uttered in a context where the said target is going to escape any other kind of justice.

IRL things aren't so dramatic and the main goal would be stopping someone from doing something stupid out of rage.
A lot of times people take to an almost nihilistic extreme.

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Damn_Underscore
10/25/21 5:47:22 PM
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ForsakenHermit posted...
Not if you want the person to suffer in some way to make them remember and think about what they've done. I'm not saying this is a good idea btw.

Not to mention this line of reasoning can be extended to having people walk all over you. In my experiences sometimes you have to settle the score with someone before they get the message to leave you the fuck alone.

You are implying that the revenge would be done in self defense. I guess revenge can be gotten in self defense but it generally isnt.

If the action being done wont fix or undo anything and isnt being done in self defense, regardless of morality it probably isnt a good idea to do.

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Bass_X0
10/25/21 5:48:54 PM
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ForsakenHermit posted...
Nobody thinks it will, stop peddling this pseudo-intellectual sewage. It's a stupid person's idea of a smart statement.



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yusiko
10/25/21 5:49:24 PM
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making this topic wont bring back the pee in butt meme that was popular when i first came to CE

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ForsakenHermit
10/25/21 5:50:55 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
You are implying that the revenge would be done in self defense. I guess revenge can be gotten in self defense but it generally isnt.

If the action being done wont fix or undo anything and isnt being done in self defense, regardless of morality it probably isnt a good idea to do.
Line 2 yes, line 1 no

Part of the problem I have with the statement is that some people take it to such an extreme that they think that no matter how atrocious someone's actions are they shouldn't be punished for them at all and that's just not right.

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Damn_Underscore
10/25/21 5:52:15 PM
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Seems like you are disagreeing with forgiveness no matter what rather than the line in the title.

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ForsakenHermit
10/25/21 5:53:15 PM
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Bass_X0 posted...
That is a fucking terrible example. M.Bison is a scumbag with delusions of grandeur and the power to pull it off. Guile should have given him a point blank sonic boom to the throat and been done with it.

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ForsakenHermit
10/25/21 5:55:44 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
Seems like you are disagreeing with forgiveness no matter what rather than the line in the title.
I disagree with using nihilistic logic to let someone escape the full consequences of their actions.

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RchHomieQuanChi
10/25/21 5:56:17 PM
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I think the point of the quote is that focusing your energy and effort towards revenge and spite is unproductive

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ForsakenHermit
10/25/21 5:58:21 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
I think the point of the quote is that focusing your energy and effort towards revenge and spite is unproductive
In the words of of infomercial voiceovers everywhere "There's got to be a better way!" to convey that message that is.

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Veggeta_MAX
10/25/21 6:09:29 PM
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You think it's fair TC got anger issues?

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ForsakenHermit
10/25/21 6:10:49 PM
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Veggeta_MAX posted...
You think it's fair TC got anger issues?
That's quite the leap you've made Vegy.

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ForsakenHermit
10/25/21 6:17:55 PM
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JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...
Well - whatre your suggestions?
OTOMH "Let the law handle them" is a good one.

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Tyranthraxus
10/25/21 6:19:21 PM
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ForsakenHermit posted...
That is a fucking terrible example. M.Bison is a scumbag with delusions of grandeur and the power to pull it off. Guile should have given him a point blank sonic boom to the throat and been done with it.

And it probably wouldn't kill him anyway. Psycho power would bring him back somehow

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cuttin_in_farm
10/25/21 6:23:54 PM
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I think its fine?

People wanting vengeance usually see it as justice.

Typically, nothing changes after revenge. Its why putting emphasis on ___ wont come back is ideal.

The only alternatives are more confrontational advice like You kill ___ and then what?

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Anteaterking
10/25/21 6:24:55 PM
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I'm going to be honest TC I don't think I've ever heard anyone in real life say that.


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Smiffwilm
10/25/21 6:55:04 PM
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Irony posted...
Doing your mom won't bring disco back
But it could definitely lead to Saturday Night Fever....

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GiftedACIII
10/25/21 7:04:22 PM
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Also "you'll be just as bad as they are". No, I think someone who kills a serial killer is better than the serial killer.
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Bass_X0
10/26/21 3:14:49 PM
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ForsakenHermit posted...
That is a fucking terrible example. M.Bison is a scumbag with delusions of grandeur and the power to pull it off. Guile should have given him a point blank sonic boom to the throat and been done with it.

Plus Guile is in the army. I'm sure he's killed many enemy combatants before. Does his wife just not understand what men in the army do?

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Questionmarktarius
10/26/21 4:42:39 PM
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Bass_X0 posted...
Plus Guile is in the army. I'm sure he's killed many enemy combatants before.
One-on-one fisticuffs in some Thai temple seems a bit sketchy, by the Geneva Convention.
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