Poll of the Day > Would you say any of the Daedric princes are good?

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Meridia, Hircine, and Azura all seem mostly good imo

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No.

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Hircine kidnaps people and makes them fight to death for his amusement, how is that good?

Azura maybe

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Even Azura and Meridia use mortals as expendable pawns and playthings in their own designs. Azura gifts mortals with her star which can be used as a tool of incredible evil.

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Sahuagin posted...

Hircine kidnaps people and makes them fight to death for his amusement, how is that good?

Azura maybe

I only played Skyrim, he came off as an honorable sportsman in that

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Mead posted...

Even Azura and Meridia use mortals as expendable pawns and playthings in their own designs. Azura gifts mortals with her star which can be used as a tool of incredible evil.

I don't disagree about them all being evil, but Azuras Star needs to be magically corrupted for it to trap human souls, unless you mean to say only trapping animal souls is still evil.

Muscles posted...

I only played Skyrim, he came off as an honorable sportsman in that

hes evil as fuck, mortals are just playthings for his bloodlust. He gives them power but binds their soul to his realm for eternity

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Cruddy_horse posted...

I don't disagree about them all being evil, but Azuras Star needs to be magically corrupted for it to trap human souls, unless you mean to say only trapping animal souls is still evil.

sure but theres no way she doesnt know that it can be corrupted in that way. And some of the things you can soul trap even normally I would say is an evil act

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Mead posted...

sure but theres no way she doesnt know that it can be corrupted in that way. And some of the things you can soul trap even normally I would say is an evil act

That seem like stretch to me tbh. If I gave someone a Rolling pin knowing it could technically be used to bludgeon someone am I evil for gifting it in the first place?

None of them are "good" per say though, if you used DnD alignment some of them would probably fit with Something-Neutral at best.

It's kind of established that they're all aloof and don't really care about mortals beyond their own motives and goals. Whether or not they're seen as "good" or "evil" is mostly just a question of whether or not their own interests seem to overlap with those of the people of Nirn.

Even the ones that seem "good" tend to be dicks, though.
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Azura is probably the only Prince I would consider to be "good" or appears to be on the side of the races of Tamriel.

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Daedric Princes are almost always looked on as evil due to their destructive nature. While there is some truth in this, this does not apply to all princes. Some princes respect honor and fairness among their subjects and are against dishonorable murder. Hircine is typically considered to be in this category. While he cannot exactly be seen as benevolent, he is very honorable and always gives his prey a sporting chance; he is even willing to be congratulatory to those who were deemed as prey if they manage to turn the hunt to their favor and become the hunters in turn. He is not needlessly destructive like many of his Daedric brethren. With those he does not care for he is often neutral in his trades, unless they are his prey.

Got this from the Elder scrolls wiki, so as far as Daedric princes go he's really not bad. He's definitely not on the level of Molag Bal, Namira, Mehrunes Dagon, etc.

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papercup posted...

Azura is probably the only Prince I would consider to be "good" or appears to be on the side of the races of Tamriel.

Not even Meridia? She hates the undead and generally likes life even if she's a bit narcissistic, but they weren't made to be a shining example, that's what they Aedra were for.

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Muscles posted...

Daedric Princes are almost always looked on as evil due to their destructive nature. While there is some truth in this, this does not apply to all princes. Some princes respect honor and fairness among their subjects and are against dishonorable murder. Hircine is typically considered to be in this category. While he cannot exactly be seen as benevolent, he is very honorable and always gives his prey a sporting chance; he is even willing to be congratulatory to those who were deemed as prey if they manage to turn the hunt to their favor and become the hunters in turn. He is not needlessly destructive like many of his Daedric brethren. With those he does not care for he is often neutral in his trades, unless they are his prey.

Got this from the Elder scrolls wiki, so as far as Daedric princes go he's really not bad. He's definitely not on the level of Molag Bal, Namira, Mehrunes Dagon, etc.

Quantifying Evil is a slippery slope and is a horrible stance to take. Just because he is not raping people or constantly sacrificing them doesn't mean he's not Evil.

Muscles posted...

Daedric Princes are almost always looked on as evil due to their destructive nature. While there is some truth in this, this does not apply to all princes. Some princes respect honor and fairness among their subjects and are against dishonorable murder. Hircine is typically considered to be in this category. While he cannot exactly be seen as benevolent, he is very honorable and always gives his prey a sporting chance; he is even willing to be congratulatory to those who were deemed as prey if they manage to turn the hunt to their favor and become the hunters in turn. He is not needlessly destructive like many of his Daedric brethren. With those he does not care for he is often neutral in his trades, unless they are his prey.

Got this from the Elder scrolls wiki, so as far as Daedric princes go he's really not bad. He's definitely not on the level of Molag Bal, Namira, Mehrunes Dagon, etc.

maybe from a "warrior's code" sort of Klingon or Predator moral view you could say he's "honorable", but that doesn't equate to "good" in modern terms. you have to have a "the strong win, the weak die" (might makes right) moral stance for that to fit.

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good and evil are an opinion and a matter of perspective.

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Kimbos_Egg posted...

good and evil are an opinion and a matter of perspective.

not really true but it's not worth going into

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Cruddy_horse posted...

That seem like stretch to me tbh. If I gave someone a Rolling pin knowing it could technically be used to bludgeon someone am I evil for gifting it in the first place?

not really a fair comparison considering no known rolling pin can capture and destroy souls

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Sahuagin posted...

not really true but it's not worth going into

absolutely true, but okay.

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creating shivering isle was very good because it was fun
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Muscles posted...

Not even Meridia? She hates the undead and generally likes life even if she's a bit narcissistic, but they weren't made to be a shining example, that's what they Aedra were for.

I'll be honest, Meridia is one of those Princes I forget about and I had to look up who that is. Yeah she seems to be on the up and up.

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The best among them could be described as callous or self-absorbed. I wouldn't consider any of them good. And Hircine's Skyrim quest(s) certainly put him more in the evil jerk camp.

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Cruddy_horse posted...

Quantifying Evil is a slippery slope and is a horrible stance to take. Just because he is not raping people or constantly sacrificing them doesn't mean he's not Evil.

It gets even more difficult when you realize that the concept of "good" and "evil" are social constructions, and the line between them can be incredibly murky at times.

Video games tend to lazily make things pure black and white, with the villain murdering puppies and orphans and having no redeeming qualities whatsoever while the good guys are super pure and selfless, but in the real world good people can do terrible things, terrible people can do good things, and it's even harder to really quantify the moral value of any given choice when we can really only judge by tangible actions and outcomes rather than by intent, motivation, and prior experience.

And of course, there's everyone's favorite philosophical argument lately - the Trolly Problem. Is it more moral to passively allow the suffering of a greater number of people, or actively choose to harm a lesser number to save a greater number?

Can an evil deed done for good reasons be good? Or do the ends never truly justify the means?
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Muscles posted...

Daedric Princes are almost always looked on as evil due to their destructive nature. While there is some truth in this, this does not apply to all princes. Some princes respect honor and fairness among their subjects and are against dishonorable murder. Hircine is typically considered to be in this category. While he cannot exactly be seen as benevolent, he is very honorable and always gives his prey a sporting chance; he is even willing to be congratulatory to those who were deemed as prey if they manage to turn the hunt to their favor and become the hunters in turn. He is not needlessly destructive like many of his Daedric brethren. With those he does not care for he is often neutral in his trades, unless they are his prey.

Got this from the Elder scrolls wiki, so as far as Daedric princes go he's really not bad. He's definitely not on the level of Molag Bal, Namira, Mehrunes Dagon, etc.

"He's not evil because he tells people good job before hunting them for sport"

Zeus posted...

The best among them could be described as callous or self-absorbed. I wouldn't consider any of them good. And Hircine's Skyrim quest(s) certainly put him more in the evil jerk camp.

I will say though that being a cannibalistic serial killer was probably the funnest character I ever played in Skyrim

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papercup posted...

I will say though that being a cannibalistic serial killer was probably the funnest character I ever played in Skyrim

That was basically my Dark Brotherhood Khajiit. I made him an unarmed specialist because he would want to kill with his claws instead of an impersonal weapon or magic. Gave him the werewolf curse and Namira's ring with the implication that he feeds on his kills because he takes their essence into himself, to make him stronger. Just like taking dragon souls fueled his powers. He very much saw himself as a Hunter of Men (and Mer. And lizards. And...).
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

That was basically my Dark Brotherhood Khajiit. I made him an unarmed specialist because he would want to kill with his claws instead of an impersonal weapon or magic. Gave him the werewolf curse and Namira's ring with the implication that he feeds on his kills because he takes their essence into himself, to make him stronger. Just like taking dragon souls fueled his powers. He very much saw himself as a Hunter of Men (and Mer. And lizards. And...).

khajiit shouldn't be werewolves, and he didn't see himself as anything, since "he" was a character you were controlling
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The Daedric princes are decidedly neutral and only interested in their own personal desires... how that aligns with human decency is merely coincidental

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

khajiit shouldn't be werewolves, and he didn't see himself as anything, since "he" was a character you were controlling

You always have the worst opinions ever.

Sage_assassin20 posted...

You always have the worst opinions ever.

Suspended again huh

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"Warned" and no too lazy to switch back to the main

Krazy_Kirby posted...

khajiit shouldn't be werewolves, and he didn't see himself as anything, since "he" was a character you were controlling

What really doesnt make sense is that Argonians can become wereWOLVES. Isnt it about time we actually let them become those werecrocodiles weve heard about? Well, maybe in Skyrim its okay for Argonians to be werewolves. Lizards dont do very well in snowy areas usually.

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Fierce_Deity_08 posted...

What really doesnt make sense is that Argonians can become wereWOLVES. Isnt it about time we actually let them become those werecrocodiles weve heard about? Well, maybe in Skyrim its okay for Argonians to be werewolves. Lizards dont do very well in snowy areas usually.

How is that weirder than a human turning into a wolf?

Sage_assassin20 posted...

How is that weirder than a human turning into a wolf?

Both are mammals? Where does the lizard get the hair from?

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It's magic, dude.

That's the straw that breaks the immersions back

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